Sapphire's X1900 Specs

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: munky
I'm expecting a 1.5-2x peformance increase over the x1800.

that's still pretty good.

 

[xtx4u]

one card to render them all, two card for just because I want it ;D

 

[TecHNooB]

After numerous threads about the R580, I'm surprised how people still don't get the fact that the X1900XT has 48 SHADERS, not pixel pipelines.

 

[kamranziadar]

The word on the street is X1900XT launch Official date 1/23/05

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: munky
I'm expecting a 1.5-2x peformance increase over the x1800.

that's still pretty good.

Yes it is, that would be spifftacular.

 

[5150Joker]

I have one in my PC - it's great.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
After numerous threads about the R580, I'm surprised how people still don't get the fact that the X1900XT has 48 SHADERS, not pixel pipelines.

I agree.. 16 pipelines might end up being the bottleneck..

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
After numerous threads about the R580, I'm surprised how people still don't get the fact that the X1900XT has 48 SHADERS, not pixel pipelines.

I agree.. 16 pipelines might end up being the bottleneck..

Bottleneck for what? Textures?

 

[Janooo]

This is from FS spec disscussion:

"if only i wasn't under NDA.... i'll tell you how much this card pwns nvidia's 512 7800GTX SLI... yes this ONE card.. "

Is it possible? To pawn 512 SLI?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Janooo
Is it possible? To pawn 512 SLI?

I don't think a pawn shop would pay much for it, but sure, it's possible.

If you're talking about pwnage, well then, I think it's possible but doubtful. Maybe in FEAR.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Janooo
Is it possible? To pawn 512 SLI?

I don't think a pawn shop would pay much for it, but sure, it's possible.

If you're talking about pwnage, well then, I think it's possible but doubtful. Maybe in FEAR.

lol beat me to it.

 

[Munky]

:roll:

When will people stop counting "pipes" like it actually meant something onthe r5xx cards? It does not have pipes! There are 48 pixel shaders, in groups of 3, (12 on one quad) which are independently scheduled from a separate array of 16 texture units, which are still independent from the 16 ROP's. That means given enough math ops to keep the 48 shaders busy, the texture units can be working on completely different data than what the pixel shaders are working on, and thus hiding the latency between the shaders and the TMU's. Not like ye olde days of the FX card, where an improper order of instructions would cause major stalls within the pipeline.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Janooo
Is it possible? To pawn 512 SLI?

I don't think a pawn shop would pay much for it, but sure, it's possible.

If you're talking about pwnage, well then, I think it's possible but doubtful. Maybe in FEAR.

lol beat me to it.

Actually you are right. The Hungarian website shows it. It's faster than 512 SLI in FEAR.

 

[KeepItRed]

Sapphire + Nvidia = Red domination.

 

[TomKazansky]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
It's still a 16-1-3-1 config. Not 48 traditional "pipelines." It's still 16 traditional pipes but as evident in this thread, 48 sounds more appealing.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky
Ummm... welcome to the video forum. The 16pipe, 48 pixel shader r580 has been speculated and discussed for months, where have some of you been?

Would you say, as a consumer, that this sapphire spec sheet is misleading to the general PC consumer? Even if Sapphire listed it correctly saying "48 shader pipelines" instead of "48 pipelines", I think ATI is counting on the general uninformed enthusiast (yes, they exist as is apparent from posts in this very thread, as monkey has shown) to not know the difference. Benchmarks will speak for themselves of course, but in general, it would seem to be a marketing tactic.

Yeah, even on this site where people should know better people are hooked by that 48 pipeline line.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky
Ummm... welcome to the video forum. The 16pipe, 48 pixel shader r580 has been speculated and discussed for months, where have some of you been?

Would you say, as a consumer, that this sapphire spec sheet is misleading to the general PC consumer? Even if Sapphire listed it correctly saying "48 shader pipelines" instead of "48 pipelines", I think ATI is counting on the general uninformed enthusiast (yes, they exist as is apparent from posts in this very thread, as monkey has shown) to not know the difference. Benchmarks will speak for themselves of course, but in general, it would seem to be a marketing tactic.

it's legal. . . and much more honest than nVidia/AEG's Viral Marketing to our forum.

Thread title: Sapphire's X1900 Specs

it was in direct response to your comment. Markiting tactics are still "tactics" . . . nVidia's seems less honest . . . but that's to me . . . perhaps you like their viral marketing tactics and dislike ATi's traditional ones . . . so what?

and i thought you were ignoring me? . . . i haven't changed


technically it's 48 shader pipelines . . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:

 

[RussianSensation]

Let's take a look at benches of X1900XT

Benches

ummm.....is it called X1900XT because for a second there I thought we are looking at X1800XT.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Let's take a look at benches of X1900XT

Benches

ummm.....is it called X1900XT because for a second there I thought we are looking at X1800XT.

Yeah I agree.

I have a feeling that the beta drivers were not enabling the 48 pipelines and were instead making the X1900 card act like an X1800 with only 16 pipelines.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky
Ummm... welcome to the video forum. The 16pipe, 48 pixel shader r580 has been speculated and discussed for months, where have some of you been?

Would you say, as a consumer, that this sapphire spec sheet is misleading to the general PC consumer? Even if Sapphire listed it correctly saying "48 shader pipelines" instead of "48 pipelines", I think ATI is counting on the general uninformed enthusiast (yes, they exist as is apparent from posts in this very thread, as monkey has shown) to not know the difference. Benchmarks will speak for themselves of course, but in general, it would seem to be a marketing tactic.

it's legal. . . and much more honest than nVidia/AEG's Viral Marketing to our forum.

Thread title: Sapphire's X1900 Specs

it was in direct response to your comment. Markiting tactics are still "tactics" . . . nVidia's seems less honest . . . but that's to me . . . perhaps you like their viral marketing tactics and dislike ATi's traditional ones . . . so what?

and i thought you were ignoring me? . . . i haven't changed


technically it's 48 shader pipelines . . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:

So, start yourself another thread about Nvidia marketing tactics. We are talking about the Sapphire X1900XT specs. As for my ignoring you, who better than myself can dictate what I do when I choose to do it? Just leave apoppin so the rest of us in here can discuss the Sapphire X1900XT specs. Or stay and discuss the topic.

And please don't speak for Sapphire unless you have proof that you work for them as a spokesperson. "Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public". This statement should only come from an admitted employee of sapphire, or one who has interviewed an employee of sapphire. Not from a regular AT forum member.

 

[schtuga]

I haven't read any really stupid questions in this thread yet so I thought I would ask one.

Seeing as the R580 is similar/based on the architecture of the x1600 would there not be a driver that will run it properly already out,or has it changed enough that they need a new driver?
Curious

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: schtuga
I haven't read any really stupid questions in this thread yet so I thought I would ask one.

Seeing as the R580 is similar/based on the architecture of the x1600 would there not be a driver that will run it properly already out,or has it changed enough that they need a new driver?
Curious

Likely, the driver determines how to send the data to the card so it can process it optimally. There is probably a profile within, that would need to tell the driver what to do if it detects a x1900 series product. Without such a profile it's anyone's guess how the driver will behave.

 

[golem]

. . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:

Wasn't Sapphire the company a way back that got blasted for selling a cut down version of a video card as the full version? Don't remember the exact details, but it was something like selling a 128bit 9800 as a full 9800 pro? There was a huge backlash and they ended up trading the cut down cards for the real version.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky
Ummm... welcome to the video forum. The 16pipe, 48 pixel shader r580 has been speculated and discussed for months, where have some of you been?

Would you say, as a consumer, that this sapphire spec sheet is misleading to the general PC consumer? Even if Sapphire listed it correctly saying "48 shader pipelines" instead of "48 pipelines", I think ATI is counting on the general uninformed enthusiast (yes, they exist as is apparent from posts in this very thread, as monkey has shown) to not know the difference. Benchmarks will speak for themselves of course, but in general, it would seem to be a marketing tactic.

it's legal. . . and much more honest than nVidia/AEG's Viral Marketing to our forum.

Thread title: Sapphire's X1900 Specs

it was in direct response to your comment. Markiting tactics are still "tactics" . . . nVidia's seems less honest . . . but that's to me . . . perhaps you like their viral marketing tactics and dislike ATi's traditional ones . . . so what?

and i thought you were ignoring me? . . . i haven't changed


technically it's 48 shader pipelines . . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:

So, start yourself another thread about Nvidia marketing tactics. We are talking about the Sapphire X1900XT specs. As for my ignoring you, who better than myself can dictate what I do when I choose to do it? Just leave apoppin so the rest of us in here can discuss the Sapphire X1900XT specs. Or stay and discuss the topic.

And please don't speak for Sapphire unless you have proof that you work for them as a spokesperson. "Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public". This statement should only come from an admitted employee of sapphire, or one who has interviewed an employee of sapphire. Not from a regular AT forum member.

there are already several threads going now on nVidia's use of viral marketing on the forums.

again . . . i will respond as i wish . . . and i was directly addressing you.

And you certainly don't speak for the entire forum in telling me how to "speak" . . . i know for a fact that Sapphire doesn't want to confuse their buyers or the GP.

If you have an real issue with their advertising - insteak of BSing on a Forum about it - why not complain to the FTC? Then you will do a real service if you are right.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky
Ummm... welcome to the video forum. The 16pipe, 48 pixel shader r580 has been speculated and discussed for months, where have some of you been?

Would you say, as a consumer, that this sapphire spec sheet is misleading to the general PC consumer? Even if Sapphire listed it correctly saying "48 shader pipelines" instead of "48 pipelines", I think ATI is counting on the general uninformed enthusiast (yes, they exist as is apparent from posts in this very thread, as monkey has shown) to not know the difference. Benchmarks will speak for themselves of course, but in general, it would seem to be a marketing tactic.

it's legal. . . and much more honest than nVidia/AEG's Viral Marketing to our forum.

Thread title: Sapphire's X1900 Specs

it was in direct response to your comment. Markiting tactics are still "tactics" . . . nVidia's seems less honest . . . but that's to me . . . perhaps you like their viral marketing tactics and dislike ATi's traditional ones . . . so what?

and i thought you were ignoring me? . . . i haven't changed


technically it's 48 shader pipelines . . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:

So, start yourself another thread about Nvidia marketing tactics. We are talking about the Sapphire X1900XT specs. As for my ignoring you, who better than myself can dictate what I do when I choose to do it? Just leave apoppin so the rest of us in here can discuss the Sapphire X1900XT specs. Or stay and discuss the topic.

And please don't speak for Sapphire unless you have proof that you work for them as a spokesperson. "Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public". This statement should only come from an admitted employee of sapphire, or one who has interviewed an employee of sapphire. Not from a regular AT forum member.

again . . . i will respond as i wish . . . and i was directly addressing you.

And you cretainly don't speak for the entire forum in telling me how to "speak" . . . i know for a fact that Sapphire doesn't want to confure their buyers or the GP.

If you have an real issue with their advertising - insteak of BSing on a Forum about it - why not complain to the FTC? They you will do a real service if you are right.

Ok fact man, lets see it... Show me what the sapphire marketing division told you. I know you are getting off on this, so I will only take it so far. I feel dirty talking to you as it is. So put up or shut it. "I know for a fact". LMAO! Dont make me barf on my new Nike's.