================Originally posted by: apoppin
there are already several threads going now on nVidia's use of viral marketing on the forums.Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: munky
Ummm... welcome to the video forum. The 16pipe, 48 pixel shader r580 has been speculated and discussed for months, where have some of you been?
Would you say, as a consumer, that this sapphire spec sheet is misleading to the general PC consumer? Even if Sapphire listed it correctly saying "48 shader pipelines" instead of "48 pipelines", I think ATI is counting on the general uninformed enthusiast (yes, they exist as is apparent from posts in this very thread, as monkey has shown) to not know the difference. Benchmarks will speak for themselves of course, but in general, it would seem to be a marketing tactic.
it's legal. . . and much more honest than nVidia/AEG's Viral Marketing to our forum.
Thread title: Sapphire's X1900 Specs
it was in direct response to your comment. Markiting tactics are still "tactics" . . . nVidia's seems less honest . . . but that's to me . . . perhaps you like their viral marketing tactics and dislike ATi's traditional ones . . . so what?
and i thought you were ignoring me? . . . i haven't changed
technically it's 48 shader pipelines . . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:
So, start yourself another thread about Nvidia marketing tactics. We are talking about the Sapphire X1900XT specs. As for my ignoring you, who better than myself can dictate what I do when I choose to do it? Just leave apoppin so the rest of us in here can discuss the Sapphire X1900XT specs. Or stay and discuss the topic.
And please don't speak for Sapphire unless you have proof that you work for them as a spokesperson. "Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public". This statement should only come from an admitted employee of sapphire, or one who has interviewed an employee of sapphire. Not from a regular AT forum member.
again . . . i will respond as i wish . . . and i was directly addressing you.
And you certainly don't speak for the entire forum in telling me how to "speak" . . . i know for a fact that Sapphire doesn't want to confuse their buyers or the GP.
If you have an real issue with their advertising - insteak of BSing on a Forum about it - why not complain to the FTC? Then you will do a real service if you are right.
i wouln't call it a huge backlsk . . . Sapphire sold 128Bit 9800ps that appeared to be right on the edge of mislabeling but 'made it good' with anyone that might have been "fooled"Originally posted by: golem
. . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:
Wasn't Sapphire the company a way back that got blasted for selling a cut down version of a video card as the full version? Don't remember the exact details, but it was something like selling a 128bit 9800 as a full 9800 pro? There was a huge backlash and they ended up trading the cut down cards for the real version.
Originally posted by: golem
. . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:
Wasn't Sapphire the company a way back that got blasted for selling a cut down version of a video card as the full version? Don't remember the exact details, but it was something like selling a 128bit 9800 as a full 9800 pro? There was a huge backlash and they ended up trading the cut down cards for the real version.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: golem
. . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:
Wasn't Sapphire the company a way back that got blasted for selling a cut down version of a video card as the full version? Don't remember the exact details, but it was something like selling a 128bit 9800 as a full 9800 pro? There was a huge backlash and they ended up trading the cut down cards for the real version.
Yes. They were called out on it and after a short while, corrected the site so it would accurately represent what they were selling. Whether it was intentional or not, IS UNKNOWN. The Sapphire X1900 specs could be an honest mistake. But I highly doubt it. They should damn well know that card has only 16 piplines. BUT, selling a 16 pipe card against a 32 pipe card is a damn hard sell. Kind of like the INtel AMD megahertz war. It was very difficult, if not impossible to convince Joe PC user that 1.8 GHz was faster than 3GHz.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: golem
. . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:
Wasn't Sapphire the company a way back that got blasted for selling a cut down version of a video card as the full version? Don't remember the exact details, but it was something like selling a 128bit 9800 as a full 9800 pro? There was a huge backlash and they ended up trading the cut down cards for the real version.
Yes. They were called out on it and after a short while, corrected the site so it would accurately represent what they were selling. Whether it was intentional or not, IS UNKNOWN. The Sapphire X1900 specs could be an honest mistake. But I highly doubt it. They should damn well know that card has only 16 piplines. BUT, selling a 16 pipe card against a 32 pipe card is a damn hard sell. Kind of like the INtel AMD megahertz war. It was very difficult, if not impossible to convince Joe PC user that 1.8 GHz was faster than 3GHz.
so complain where it does some good . . . get them to change it - IF it is inaccurate.
Originally posted by: Fattysharp
I have not found Sapphire's marketing department to be that accurate with most of it's claims. Not sure if it is on purpose or not, but this is not the first time Sapphire inaccurately labeled something.
Their Pure Innovation Board was labeld as having 3 pci slots .. It has 2 pci, 1 pci-e 16x and 2 pcie 1x.
I have seen a few other oddly labeled items on the sapphire site, and seen a thread or 2 in their forums about products that were mislabeled.
Personally, i like sapphire products, I have the pure innovation, and 1800xl and loving both of them. Marketing department seem to be a little shady or unthinking monkies though.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Fattysharp
I have not found Sapphire's marketing department to be that accurate with most of it's claims. Not sure if it is on purpose or not, but this is not the first time Sapphire inaccurately labeled something.
Their Pure Innovation Board was labeld as having 3 pci slots .. It has 2 pci, 1 pci-e 16x and 2 pcie 1x.
I have seen a few other oddly labeled items on the sapphire site, and seen a thread or 2 in their forums about products that were mislabeled.
Personally, i like sapphire products, I have the pure innovation, and 1800xl and loving both of them. Marketing department seem to be a little shady or unthinking monkies though.
I agree. Sapphire makes nice stuff and offer a better warranty than ATI. Used to be the other way around. But similar to what I said, its a lot tougher to sell a 16 pipe card when there is a 32 piper around the corner. Sapphire must know they have a 16 pipe card, and opted to list 48 pipelines because it sounds better. Later, when they are called on it, they could just say "Oops, we're so sorry for the inconvience. It was mislabled. We are working on correcting that right now.".
Originally posted by: Cooler
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Fattysharp
I have not found Sapphire's marketing department to be that accurate with most of it's claims. Not sure if it is on purpose or not, but this is not the first time Sapphire inaccurately labeled something.
Their Pure Innovation Board was labeld as having 3 pci slots .. It has 2 pci, 1 pci-e 16x and 2 pcie 1x.
I have seen a few other oddly labeled items on the sapphire site, and seen a thread or 2 in their forums about products that were mislabeled.
Personally, i like sapphire products, I have the pure innovation, and 1800xl and loving both of them. Marketing department seem to be a little shady or unthinking monkies though.
I agree. Sapphire makes nice stuff and offer a better warranty than ATI. Used to be the other way around. But similar to what I said, its a lot tougher to sell a 16 pipe card when there is a 32 piper around the corner. Sapphire must know they have a 16 pipe card, and opted to list 48 pipelines because it sounds better. Later, when they are called on it, they could just say "Oops, we're so sorry for the inconvience. It was mislabled. We are working on correcting that right now.".
Since all Built by ATI cards are done by Sapphire I trust they have the best quality .
Originally posted by: Fattysharp
I have not found Sapphire's marketing department to be that accurate with most of it's claims. Not sure if it is on purpose or not, but this is not the first time Sapphire inaccurately labeled something.
Their Pure Innovation Board was labeld as having 3 pci slots .. It has 2 pci, 1 pci-e 16x and 2 pcie 1x.
I have seen a few other oddly labeled items on the sapphire site, and seen a thread or 2 in their forums about products that were mislabeled.
Personally, i like sapphire products, I have the pure innovation, and 1800xl and loving both of them. Marketing department seem to be a little shady or unthinking monkies though.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: golem
. . . Sapphire doesn't want to confuse the general public.
:roll:
Wasn't Sapphire the company a way back that got blasted for selling a cut down version of a video card as the full version? Don't remember the exact details, but it was something like selling a 128bit 9800 as a full 9800 pro? There was a huge backlash and they ended up trading the cut down cards for the real version.
Yes. They were called out on it and after a short while, corrected the site so it would accurately represent what they were selling. Whether it was intentional or not, IS UNKNOWN. The Sapphire X1900 specs could be an honest mistake. But I highly doubt it. They should damn well know that card has only 16 piplines. BUT, selling a 16 pipe card against a 32 pipe card is a damn hard sell. Kind of like the INtel AMD megahertz war. It was very difficult, if not impossible to convince Joe PC user that 1.8 GHz was faster than 3GHz.
so complain where it does some good . . . get them to change it - IF it is inaccurate.
Sounds like your really, really don't want me to go any further about this. You call it complaining. I think the rest of us call it, discussing. You pretend to know more than you do. You have no connections. No friends it the graphics card industry that you speak of. Your not a reviewer, or know any personally. At least you haven't given us any indication that you do. So, are we to just take your word for it then? Eat it all up? No, I think you're just the average forum goer who wants to be more than he really is even if he has to "make pretend". Saying, "I know for a FACT" does nothing for us. You should know this by now. It's like you want to be called on it. So, here it is. I'm calling you out on it. You got nothing.
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Honestly, I think the X1900XT will be a very cool toy. New technology and all and will find it's strong points in certain games that actually utilize as many shaders as the R580 seems able to handle. If it proves faster than G71 across the board with consistency, I may consider picking one of these up. Cmon benchies!!
Me too, my X800XL can't satisfy my needs any longer. SW Empire at War demo chugs along at 8fps with everything cranked @ 1680x1050, at least if it's raining.