SARS is getting worse

[tcsenter]

I believe there have already been cases in SoCal.
If it's in HongKong or China, it'll be in CA in a couple days at the most.

Yep, the inscription on Ellis Island should read "Give me your tired, your poor, your diseased and infectious, your huddled masses freely exchanging unknown and untreatable pathogens...."

 

[cnwk64]

Originally posted by: rgwalt
Here is the deal... medical technology has greatly improved in the last 100 years since the flu epidemic. Even if you get SARS, there is at least 90% chance of survival. I'm sure that number will increase as detection and identification improves. With the ability to control fevers, administer IV fluids, despense oxygen, and generally provide a hospitable, clean environment to patients, I'm sure SARS will be controllable, especially coupled with the low mortality rate.

Personally, I would be scared if something like this was spreading that had a high mortality rate. As is, I'm not worried about it. Take basic precautions against getting sick. Wash your hands before and after meals. Do not share food, utensils, or cups/glasses with others. Do not kiss or make out with anyone you don't know know or that appears sick (college kids!).

Ryan

yep, I remember that, that's why they said when they discover AIDS.
btw, if you got AIDS your survival rate is much better than then SARS. (at least you won't drop dead within few weeks).

and if you don't do drug and don't fvck around unprotected, your chance to get AIDS is near impossible(unless you has AIDS from your mom), why do we got so many AIDS problem??

and one more thing, there are not many place can provide despense oxygen to gernal public, how many ICU beds do you thing city like HK had? not enough for 0.1% of its people. and China? I dont' even want to think about it.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: rgwalt
Here is the deal... medical technology has greatly improved in the last 100 years since the flu epidemic. Even if you get SARS, there is at least 90% chance of survival. I'm sure that number will increase as detection and identification improves. With the ability to control fevers, administer IV fluids, despense oxygen, and generally provide a hospitable, clean environment to patients, I'm sure SARS will be controllable, especially coupled with the low mortality rate.

Personally, I would be scared if something like this was spreading that had a high mortality rate. As is, I'm not worried about it. Take basic precautions against getting sick. Wash your hands before and after meals. Do not share food, utensils, or cups/glasses with others. Do not kiss or make out with anyone you don't know know or that appears sick (college kids!).

Ryan

A 90% survival rate is high but when combined with the fact that SARS seems to spread as easily as the common cold is cause for real concern (who hasn't caught a cold?). Let's say 50% of the US population catches SARS. That's about 125 million people. 10% of those will die -- that means about 12 million deaths.

 

[Nocturnal]

Like I said before, it is really scary. I work in a retail store so I could easily catch it... kinda sucks, I hope I don't.

 

[cnwk64]

Here is what I read so far from HK, Taiwan, and Google. (wish got something from China but...none)
the SARS is not as deadly as TB, most peopel will recover within few days (4-7 days) with or without medical treatment.
about 10% or SARS will develop into serius problem, and most of them will recover if treated early.
if you look up CDC's stac. out of 1500+ cases about 50+ of them die. so what we got is about 2.5+-%. is that a problem? I don't konw, depands on how lucky you think you are.
I think the the rate will go down to less than 0.1% due to more peopel are aware of it. (IMO, everyone know about flu, so what?)
should you worry about hit by it? DO YOU FELL LUCKY?


------------------------------------------------IMO---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
most likely, you won't get it, if you get it, most likely you don't even noticed the minor flu, if you are seriusly ill, most likely you will recover, if you don't recover, most likely, you will die, and if you die, most likely you will go to hell (just IMO), and if you go to helll, you will be too busy to shaking hand with all your friends (anand OT?), you won't even worry a bit.

 

[Juniper]

Although the chance of catching SARS is very low (for now), its still pretty scary. I'm in Singapore right now, and SARS is on TV, radio and news paper every day. Most people here are more concerned with SARS than the Iraq situation. (!!)

All schools are closed for this week, and they are considering closure for longer time, cos a boy was found with SARS yesterday. The boy caught it while traveling to china and hk, and he went to school before he fell sick. Also, singapore is a pretty crowded island, I hope the disease will be contained. Brr...

 

[tiejiba]

Originally posted by: shikhan

Originally posted by: cnwk64
I am not worry too much about it.
only very few % of peopel who got SARS actually die.
If you are in US, and you don't travel to Asia in past month or coming monthes
and dont have contact with person who recently coming from that area in past few month, chance to get hit is kind of small.
I could be wrong, that is just my 2cents.

Yea, but I've a china trip planned for this summer, in 1.5 months :/ I'm spending alot for this trip and if i cancle now, will loose probably ticket costs as well and not be able to travel there at least for another 10 years or so I really hope it isn't that bad. I'm still debating if I should cancel or not. Gotta keep an eye on this thing.

I have the exact situ that you have. Northwest refuse to refund me

 

[cnwk64]

Here is the new status for SARS from WHO as of 04/01/03
take look the number reported from China, it didn't change at all!! 03/27/03
Don't you like China Gov, they make you feel so safe to travel to China.

so far 62 out of 1804 dead! that comes to about 3.5%

 

[Cerb]

I'm not scared, and I'd be part that 3.5%.
The last time I had a cold it lasted four 4 months (I was lucky it didn't progress to something worse like bronchitis), and I'm currently going on a month with a current sinus infection. I'm worried that my current health will cause me to fail my classes, but I it's not like you could do anything if it were to kill you.

 

[littleprince]

Originally posted by: BCskunk
Here's the new list of infection locations in Toronto, ONTARIO

Ruby's Restaurant (at McCowan & Finch)
Take One Karaoke ( Woodbine &14) both infected with SARS
2 storekeepers at Pacific mall
1 from First Markham Place
Waitress 168 bubble tea at Commerance Gate
finch and midland office building - Dr. Ada Lo
scar. grace hosipital dr. chow

Why do ppl who get crap msgs on ICQ and email post them as fact? When You send that to everyone on anandtech does every SARS victim get 10 Cents as well?

Please stick to facts. Many of those places are not infected at all. Just some crap floating around ICQ.

 

[cnwk64]

Intel cancel its IDF Taipei, Beijin due to SARS

Even Tech companies are affect by this virus.

 

[ROTC1983]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Does this virus not worry anybody else besides me? I mean I'm actually scared of this thing, it's amazing!

Although there have been no deaths reported due to this virus, it's quite scary to think that something just mutated itself and can kill you.

Sounds a lot like Resident Evil.

Yeah, it is pretty darn unsettling to know something is always one step ahead of us like that...wow...I just hope I don't catch it.

 

[kami]

Apparently a couple dorms here in the toronto area have been shut down because of this. My dorm isn't affected yet.

 

[manuelku]

damn, I wish my parents are ok... they are all living in hk

 

[cnwk64]

The number for 4/2/03
2223 cases 78 dead. still at 3.5% rate.

here is the new advice from WHO on April 2, 2003

In a press release this morning, WHO issued the following advice:

?gThe World Health Organization (WHO) today began recommending that persons travelling to Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China and Guangdong Province, China consider postponing all but essential travel. This updated travel advice comes as a result of new developments in the multi-country outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).?h

The new travel advice is intended to limit further international spread of SARS by restricting travel to areas where the transmission patterns of SARS are not fully understood. The SARS situation, which is rapidly evolving, is under constant assessment by WHO in collaboration with three global networks of experts. The new advice is issued as part of a series of measures that will change as more information about SARS becomes available.



If you have to go to those area within near future, DO YOU FEEL LUCKY?!
if you already book the trip, depands on your travel agency, you may able to get a refund for your trip.

I would avoid travel to Thailand, Viet Nam as well. I don't think their number are really up to date.
If place like HK which has much more advanced medical hospitals got 700+ case, how could the number from Chian is so low (1190)???

 

[cnwk64]

Here an a new update from WHO site as of 4/19/03

Look like WHO is sure that Coronavirus family was the cause for SARS, this is brand new virus never seen before in humen. and the virus are mutate frequently.
Which means, the drug is getting less and less effective to fight virus. and the death rate is more than 5% now (182/3547=5.1%). HK is reporting 12 death yesterday!! Highest number so far. Amoy Garden's cases are example.

According to Times, there are way more cases in China than what have been reported so far. if HK get this many case with its advanced medical centers, one must wondering why China don't have more case than its reporting so far.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Scary... just imagine if this killed off 5% of the whole earth, that's 300 million. And if the death rate is getting worse, then....

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
We have well over 300 infected here in Hong Kong.

Our company is issuing all employees masks today (some 700 of us).

u need a new avatar

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: swNYC

first off.... SARS is a virus.... surgical masks DOES NOT HELP to prevent you from contracting it.
the virus is too small and it wont be filtered thru the surgical masks. in otherwords it is useless...

secondly...the main supplier in HK for these masks is 3M..... so if u want to go make some money off ppl being sick and dying u go right ahead.

3rdly....this virus is not airbourne.. in order to really contract it....the person would have to sneeze...while u were around...and get his sneeze on ur hand.... and then u eat with that hand and inject the infected saliva.

the media is blowing it up...the SARS is bad....but its not like u will catch it just by being rite next to someone with SARS..... the chances of actually contracting it is very very low

BCSkunk - here's a rebuttal to your comments:

SARS is actually 2 viruses, the combination of the coronavirus which causes common cold & fever, and a virus which causes measles & bumps. Secondly, the disease can be carried through the air by sneezes and coughs (aerosol), therefore a mask can help to prevent inhalation of the virus. The virus can survive in open air for 3 hours, and can be transmitted through contact by hand with contaminated objects and surfaces (e.g. elevator buttons).

N95 spec masks can stop objects up to 0.1 micron, particles 1/10th the size of both Anthrax (4-10 Microns in length & 1-1.5 Microns in width) and Tuberculosis (1-5 Microns in length) at a 99% level of efficiency. Masks prevent carriers from spreading the disease, and people from inhaling the virus.

For more information visit the CDC SARS Website

Good thing I got this for free in a hot deal a while ago: Text

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned but in the interest of keeping things in perspective you guys should know that more people die from the flu (several times more if I remember right) every month than the number of sars related deaths so far. Who here is afraid of the flu? Just another little thing blown way out of proportion if you ask me. West nile being the perfect example.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned but in the interest of keeping things in perspective you guys should know that more people die from the flu (several times more if I remember right) every month than the number of sars related deaths so far. Who here is afraid of the flu? Just another little thing blown way out of proportion if you ask me. West nile being the perfect example.

The flu only kills some 0.004%(IIRC) of those who catch it though. If everyone who catches the flu every year caught SARS, the amount of deaths were be far greater. Nearly everyone would know someone who died from it, don't underestimate the seriousness of SARS.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned but in the interest of keeping things in perspective you guys should know that more people die from the flu (several times more if I remember right) every month than the number of sars related deaths so far. Who here is afraid of the flu? Just another little thing blown way out of proportion if you ask me. West nile being the perfect example.

The flu only kills some 0.004%(IIRC) of those who catch it though. If everyone who catches the flu every year caught SARS, the amount of deaths were be far greater. Nearly everyone would know someone who died from it, don't underestimate the seriousness of SARS.

If if if. If my aunt had a package she'd be my uncle. But we're not talking if's here. I'm not underestimating SARS. I don't underestimate ebola either but I'm not real worried about it because the number of people that die from it yearly is relatively low. I really don't see the point in comparing "if's" to facts. SARS isn't something that really warrants the fear it's causing imo. Sure it's a bit more serious in it's death rate than the flu but it doesn't spread as easily now does it? So it would seem it kind of evens out to me.

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: BCskunk

Originally posted by: SuperTool
What companies make surgical masks?
I wanna buy:
A. a surgical mask
B. their stock

first off.... SARS is a virus.... surgical masks DOES NOT HELP to prevent you from contracting it.
the virus is too small and it wont be filtered thru the surgical masks. in otherwords it is useless...

secondly...the main supplier in HK for these masks is 3M..... so if u want to go make some money off ppl being sick and dying u go right ahead.

3rdly....this virus is not airbourne.. in order to really contract it....the person would have to sneeze...while u were around...and get his sneeze on ur hand.... and then u eat with that hand and inject the infected saliva.


the media is blowing it up...the SARS is bad....but its not like u will catch it just by being rite next to someone with SARS..... the chances of actually contracting it is very very low

u can just inhale it when they sneeze. thats bad enough. i hate it when people dont cover their mouths hwen they sneeze

 

[cnwk64]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned but in the interest of keeping things in perspective you guys should know that more people die from the flu (several times more if I remember right) every month than the number of sars related deaths so far. Who here is afraid of the flu? Just another little thing blown way out of proportion if you ask me. West nile being the perfect example.

flu (or west nile) has been around for a long time, and we know how to take care of it. SARS is totally new, no one knows about to treat it. you can't compare apple to orange. they are totally different!!!

Yes, flu kills more people than SARS, but how many people got flu per year? the death rate for flu is way lower than SARS (0.004%?), SARS which is at now 5% right now and still increase (don't count China's under report case).

tens of thousands people die in car/air crash, but we still use them everyday, be cause we know the percentage to die from those crash is very very small, just like flu.

Now, if you take a trip and you know there are 5% chance you will die, will you take it?

 

[CalamitousSoul]

Originally posted by: cnwk64

Originally posted by: Sketcher
A doctor interviewed on local news today said that SARS is not new - he said that it's Hong Kong Flu (this is just a link that I googled) and that because we're more PC now, and that we have more clinical information (even if not preventive measures) it's not called HK Flu.

I dunno. I'm not saying one way or the other, just passing on what I saw today.

I don't think SARS is just Hong Kong Flu. HK flu has been around for a long time (since 1950?...)

BTW, here is something new. Canada got 100+ SARS.
it that true? I have no idea, gut it was first result when I google for SARS

actually this is a new virus. the chinese government just said this was an old syphilis virus that has been around. They did not want China to have headlines and have people stay away or whatever the reason for them not acknowledging this new disease. A hong kong dr was called in to see what was going on. why were all these people dying from flu-like symptoms. and when asked about it. they did not give him any results or answers. When the dr went back to Hong Kong, he infected a few of his patients then eventually died himself. Yet still... the chinese government denied that there is a possible new virus. Untill it hit in Europe. Thats when a medical ascociation prompted an investigation. Now we have SARS.