SATA BLU-RAY 2x Burner for 529.98

[Googer]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: BigJ
Can't wait till either HDs come down in price even more or BR/HD-DVD recording becomes mainstream. Real pain in the ass to back up TBs of data on DVDs (and having to split HD recorded content) and it's damn expensive to buy extra Hard Drives to back them up on (take 'em and put 'em in a drawer).

Not really considering you can get a 250GB hard drive for the price of TWO BLU-RAY discs. But the BLU-RAY has the advantage of storing a lot of data in a portable form factor.

Uhh yea, which is why I said I'd like either format to become mainstream (like CDs and now DVDs). If they become mainstream, hopefully they'd get down to around $2-$3 a disc.

Yes, there was once a time when DVD -/+ R disc had to be kept under lock and key because they cost $10-20 per disc.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: BigJ
Can't wait till either HDs come down in price even more or BR/HD-DVD recording becomes mainstream. Real pain in the ass to back up TBs of data on DVDs (and having to split HD recorded content) and it's damn expensive to buy extra Hard Drives to back them up on (take 'em and put 'em in a drawer).

Not really considering you can get a 250GB hard drive for the price of TWO BLU-RAY discs. But the BLU-RAY has the advantage of storing a lot of data in a portable form factor.

Uhh yea, which is why I said I'd like either format to become mainstream (like CDs and now DVDs). If they become mainstream, hopefully they'd get down to around $2-$3 a disc.

Yes, there was once a time when DVD -/+ R disc had to be kept under lock and key because they cost $10-20 per disc.

I don't know if you're being facetious, but DL DVDs definitely were at least in that range when DVD recorders were first released.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: BigJ
Can't wait till either HDs come down in price even more or BR/HD-DVD recording becomes mainstream. Real pain in the ass to back up TBs of data on DVDs (and having to split HD recorded content) and it's damn expensive to buy extra Hard Drives to back them up on (take 'em and put 'em in a drawer).

Not really considering you can get a 250GB hard drive for the price of TWO BLU-RAY discs. But the BLU-RAY has the advantage of storing a lot of data in a portable form factor.

Uhh yea, which is why I said I'd like either format to become mainstream (like CDs and now DVDs). If they become mainstream, hopefully they'd get down to around $2-$3 a disc.

Yes, there was once a time when DVD -/+ R disc had to be kept under lock and key because they cost $10-20 per disc.

I don't know if you're being facetious, but DL DVDs definitely were at least in that range when DVD recorders were first released.

No not at all. That is how it was at my local CompUSA when recordable DVD was in it's infancy and toddler years. Back in 1995 I remember the first CD-R and RW discs costing several dollars a piece. RW discs were in the neighborhood of $10-15 each; and unlike Blu-Ray, CD was an existing standard hence the lower startup price. But like Blu-Ray, that recordable media was not yet in mass production or very high demand; hence the higher price.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Fallengod

Originally posted by: Googer


Also your math is way off. One DVD = 4.7GB and One Blu-Ray disc is 25GB or 50GB. So at most you are looking at about 10-12DVD to one Blu-Ray and half (3 or 6) that for a DVD+DL disc.

Just fyi, one DVD is 4.37gb, not 4.7. Thats assuming youre talking single layer as well. Not to be picky or anything

I am sitting next to a box of Maxell DVD-R UPC# 0 25215 62625 9 and it clearly says 4.7GB.

Try to write 4.7GB of data to that DVD-R.

 

[Fallen Kell]

When the burners hit $200 and the discs hit $1.50 each I will consider them... until then.... well.... that is what RAID 5 is for

 

[Diogenes2]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Diogenes2

Originally posted by: Googer
Most of the BLU-RAY burners I have seen are selling for around $1,000 so I guess that at this price this must be a very good deal.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5412322

Egg has it for $509 AR ..


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106037

Nice deal. But once the rebate expires, Wally's Mart will have the better buy.

Or not..

Amazon has it for $531- free ship ..

You're probably going to pay tax at Wally's ...


Egg's OOS, now anyway ..

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
I'm waiting until a 8x is $99 and the media is $2 a piece.

Tell my grandkids I said "Hi"

Why? DVD burners cost $500 when they first came out, now you can buy one for $30.

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
I'm waiting until a 8x is $99 and the media is $2 a piece.

Tell my grandkids I said "Hi"

Why? DVD burners cost $500 when they first came out, now you can buy one for $30.

I think it was a joke...

anyways these the burner and the media does not cost much more than current dvd media today to make...so the premium will drop nearly to today's prices for dvd-r stuff...just a matter of time. i bet 2-3 years at least.

 

[Rio Rebel]

It was, of course, a joke.

One thing to bear in mind, though, is that Sony has a history of stubbornly resisting price drops once they get control of a technology. Had it not been for HD-DVD, we very possibly would still be seeing substandard mpeg-2 transfers on single layer discs for all the Blu-ray movies.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Bobartig
$18 for a blu-ray disk? That's about 40 single layer DVD's, which stores about 180 gbs. The economics of it are still astounding. You can get multiple terabytes of disc storage for what it costs to use bluray for data distribution.

I guess that you do not realize how inconvenient it is to jockey 40 discs in and out of your computer. Plus the amount of desktop space and immaculate organization that is required to maintain such a large collection of optical media. Also storing on extremely large 40GB file on 40 DVDs is nearly impossible with out having to break it up in to pieces.


Also your math is way off. One DVD = 4.7GB and One Blu-Ray disc is 25GB or 50GB. So at most you are looking at about 10-12DVD to one Blu-Ray and half (3 or 6) that for a DVD+DL disc.

Right now Blu-Ray is primarily reserved for business that need lots of portable/distributable storage like in security/surveillance operations where video files can reach tens of gigabytes of storage.

His math was along the lines of price to get his number. Hence he mentioned economics. You would only need to jockey around 5 dvds to equate to a BR D, and in that case DVDs are MUCH less expensive.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
I'm waiting until a 8x is $99 and the media is $2 a piece.

Tell my grandkids I said "Hi"

Why? DVD burners cost $500 when they first came out, now you can buy one for $30.

DVD burners were way over $1,000 when they first came out. The same for the original 1x CD Burners, they first retailed between $1,000 and $1,500 and used an IEEE1284 or SCSI interface and had no burn-proof or buffer underrun technology.

 

[cremefilled]

I think that a DVD contains 4.7 billion bytes, which is about the same as 4.37 gibibytes (i.e., rounded off multiple of two).

It's the same gigabyte vs. gibibyte discrepancy that makes hard drive size confusing.

See wikipedia on gibibytes

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: cremefilled
I think that a DVD contains 4.7 billion bytes, which is about the same as 4.37 gibibytes (i.e., rounded off multiple of two).

It's the same gigabyte vs. gibibyte discrepancy that makes hard drive size confusing.

See wikipedia on gibibytes

Then lets compare apples to apples here. All of you are using the Full manufacturers gigabyte ratings for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD while using the smaller mathematical ratings for DVD.

Do you really expect to fit a full 25 or 50GB on to a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray disc? It will top out at much less than that.

 

[Googer]

http://www.verbatim.com/optical/pdfs/Blu-ray_HD_DVD_FAQs.pdf

 

[vfrjim]

I would not mind paying $400 ish for a drive as long as the media prices would become more realistically priced.

 

[XNice]

It's still cheaper to buy an external hd. storage wise, blu ray has a long ways to go. I can get an external 500gb usb2/firewire drive for ~$130. I wonder how many blu ray discs i would have to buy to equal that. And whoever made that comment about his grandkids, :beer::beer: . Made me laugh out loud at work.(my office is quiet)

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Bobartig
$18 for a blu-ray disk? That's about 40 single layer DVD's, which stores about 180 gbs. The economics of it are still astounding. You can get multiple terabytes of disc storage for what it costs to use bluray for data distribution.

Like I said earlier, it's easier to jockey and carry once Blu-Ray disc than 10 DVD's. Also files larger than 8GB will need a bigger disc because file splitting is not too practical.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: vfrjim
I would not mind paying $400 ish for a drive as long as the media prices would become more realistically priced.

You are in luck my friend, Pioneer just announced yesterday a $300 Blu-Ray drive for the Chinese market. Expect to find one on ebay from your favorite Hong Kong seller some time real soon.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/18/pion...-china-with-300-bdc-s02-blu-ray-drive/

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Bobartig
$18 for a blu-ray disk? That's about 40 single layer DVD's, which stores about 180 gbs. The economics of it are still astounding. You can get multiple terabytes of disc storage for what it costs to use bluray for data distribution.

Like I said earlier, it's easier to jockey and carry once Blu-Ray disc than 10 DVD's. Also files larger than 8GB will need a bigger disc because file splitting is not too practical.

EDIT: Oops, I already quoted you...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Googer

DVD burners were way over $1,000 when they first came out. The same for the original 1x CD Burners, they first retailed between $1,000 and $1,500 and used an IEEE1284 or SCSI interface and had no burn-proof or buffer underrun technology.

ah, the good old days, when merely going into the same room during the hour that it took to burn would coaster your $15 disc.

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: protege5demon
$18 for the 25gb discs


$40 for the 50gb discs

No the cheapest as far as $/gb, but hopefully they'll drop. As for myself, I use ultrium tapes to back-up TBs of data.

Ultrium tape drives, however, go for about $1,500, that + the price of the tapes might get you 10TB worth of hard drives at today's hot deals.

I totally regret having spent $1,000 wholesale for the first 1x NEC to come down the pike.
Many years ago.
Edited: PS it was read only, not R/W.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RideFree

Originally posted by: protege5demon
$18 for the 25gb discs


$40 for the 50gb discs

No the cheapest as far as $/gb, but hopefully they'll drop. As for myself, I use ultrium tapes to back-up TBs of data.

Ultrium tape drives, however, go for about $1,500, that + the price of the tapes might get you 10TB worth of hard drives at today's hot deals.

I totally regret having spent $1,000 wholesale for the first 1x NEC to come down the pike.
Many years ago.

I hear you, I bought a HP CDR-RW burner for $350. I think it would burn R's at 4x?

 

[Robor]

My original Plextor 4x external was $500. Of course that's nothing compared to $640 for 2 x 16MB EDO RAM sticks, $350 for a 345MB hard drive, $200 for a 2MB Matrox Millenium, etc, etc.

 

[pete777]

mine first was an apple II, no hard drive, with an amber monitor and printer que cost me us 7000.00

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RideFree

Originally posted by: protege5demon
$18 for the 25gb discs


$40 for the 50gb discs

No the cheapest as far as $/gb, but hopefully they'll drop. As for myself, I use ultrium tapes to back-up TBs of data.

Ultrium tape drives, however, go for about $1,500, that + the price of the tapes might get you 10TB worth of hard drives at today's hot deals.

I totally regret having spent $1,000 wholesale for the first 1x NEC to come down the pike.
Many years ago.

I hear you, I bought a HP CDR-RW burner for $350. I think it would burn R's at 4x?

Anybody else remember getting the Iomega drive from CompUSA that could be flashed to a Plextor during the Easter Sale for under $200?