SATA HDD advantages over IDE

[soldano]

I am using IDE HDDs, as I use my PC mainly for gaming, should it be really necesary to upgrade to SATA HDDs ?
Which is the real advantage, in gamings as I dont see much HDD activity when running them.-
Win XP Pro
AMD64 3500 Winnie
1 Gb RAM
AN8SLI Deluxe
GF6600 GT

 

[RichUK]

1 advantage ... smaller cables ... and thats about it really

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: RichUK
1 advantage ... smaller cables ... and thats about it really

:thumbsup:

there is hot swap...but i doubt you'll use that

 

[mwmorph]

no speed difference.
really, it for the people with big windows and neon in case. people that mentino airflow better=lower temps are just bsing. Air by nature is a thin fluid(It conforms to the shape of a container) It is so thin, it will be nowhere affected by an discernable amount by the IDE cable so case temps will be the same.

 

[IceBreakerG]

You want real performance differences? How about this. With a 7200rpm IDE hard drive, takes roughly 25mins to install windows xp pro. With a 7200rpm SATA hard drive, installing the same os, same options, takes roughly 5-6mins to install windows xp pro. Thats pretty damn fast.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: IceBreakerG
You want real performance differences? How about this. With a 7200rpm IDE hard drive, takes roughly 25mins to install windows xp pro. With a 7200rpm SATA hard drive, installing the same os, same options, takes roughly 5-6mins to install windows xp pro. Thats pretty damn fast.

then there is osmething wrong with your drive.

 

[keeleysam]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: IceBreakerG
You want real performance differences? How about this. With a 7200rpm IDE hard drive, takes roughly 25mins to install windows xp pro. With a 7200rpm SATA hard drive, installing the same os, same options, takes roughly 5-6mins to install windows xp pro. Thats pretty damn fast.

then there is osmething wrong with your drive.

QFT. I installed XP Pro on a fvkcing 3600RPM Bigfoot drive in like 12 mins.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: IceBreakerG
You want real performance differences? How about this. With a 7200rpm IDE hard drive, takes roughly 25mins to install windows xp pro. With a 7200rpm SATA hard drive, installing the same os, same options, takes roughly 5-6mins to install windows xp pro. Thats pretty damn fast.

what are you talking about, [boast] i have the fastest SATA drive out [/boast] and i can't do it in less then 10 mins :shocked:

let me know your secret because in that case i would be able to install windows in 10 seconds

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: IceBreakerG
You want real performance differences? How about this. With a 7200rpm IDE hard drive, takes roughly 25mins to install windows xp pro. With a 7200rpm SATA hard drive, installing the same os, same options, takes roughly 5-6mins to install windows xp pro. Thats pretty damn fast.

another mark against the "black male" avatar... idiot

 

[corkyg]

Well - there is a nother advantage no one has mentioned - SATA drives can be hot pluggable. Thatis, if you mount them externally. But - that also can bring another beast to the party -"Delayed Write Failures."

Many mobos (older ones especially) combine SATA with RAID - they can't be separated. That's a minus.

As for speed - I have both installed and in applications, there is no noticeable difference. Takes about the same time to defrag a SATA drive as a PATA drive.

 

[miketheidiot]

less clunky cables.

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

The only difference is pretty much the cables...

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: IceBreakerG
You want real performance differences? How about this. With a 7200rpm IDE hard drive, takes roughly 25mins to install windows xp pro. With a 7200rpm SATA hard drive, installing the same os, same options, takes roughly 5-6mins to install windows xp pro. Thats pretty damn fast.

another mark against the "black male" avatar... idiot

:laugh:

 

[eelw]

1st gen SATA HDs are actually PATA HDs with a SATA->PATA bridge installed. 2nd gen SATA HDs are native SATA and with the proper chipsets, will support NCQ. 3rd gen SATA HDs are the 300Mbps internal transfer rates. But remember the physical HD is still a bottleneck and we don't even come close to fully using the 133Mbps found in PATA HDs.

 

[MaDfLaMe37]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
no speed difference.
really, it for the people with big windows and neon in case. people that mentino airflow better=lower temps are just bsing. Air by nature is a thin fluid(It conforms to the shape of a container) It is so thin, it will be nowhere affected by an discernable amount by the IDE cable so case temps will be the same.

awesome reply.

 

[Nebben]

I'm not sure on this, but doesn't it eliminate the master/slave on one cable bottleneck? I only have one SATA drive in my system, but I thought all SATA channels were independent of one another.

 

[edmundoab]

to me sata didn't really make a big difference.

but using a raptor did

 

[Zepper]

FYI: SATA and PATA drives ARE both IDE drives. It's SATA and ATA or PATA to draw a distinction.

. There is a big difference between SATA and ATA if you don't set up properly. If you put your optical and ATA HD on the same cable, then installing XP will be dead slow. If you put them cross-channel (as SATA w/ an ATA optical always is), then given the same generation of SATA and ATA HDs the install should go equally fast.

As usual, it's PEBKAC that is often the basic issue.

.bh.

 

[PerfeK]

Staggered spin-up, NCQ, hot swappability and independent channels for all drives.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: MaDfLaMe37

Originally posted by: mwmorph
no speed difference.
really, it for the people with big windows and neon in case. people that mentino airflow better=lower temps are just bsing. Air by nature is a thin fluid(It conforms to the shape of a container) It is so thin, it will be nowhere affected by an discernable amount by the IDE cable so case temps will be the same.

awesome reply.

Except there's also the whole clutter thing (ease of accessing what's inside the case) and the fact that it's easier to plug in a smaller cable if youd graphics card is big and gets damned close to your HDD.
Unless you like big cables that obscure access to things like RAM or the BIOS etc.

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: Zepper
FYI: SATA and PATA drives ARE both IDE drives. It's SATA and ATA or PATA to draw a distinction.

. There is a big difference between SATA and ATA if you don't set up properly. If you put your optical and ATA HD on the same cable, then installing XP will be dead slow. If you put them cross-channel (as SATA w/ an ATA optical always is), then given the same generation of SATA and ATA HDs the install should go equally fast.

As usual, it's PEBKAC that is often the basic issue.

.bh.

True, but what about issues like two optical drives and two hard drives, all on PATA? You can't possibly eliminate all possible bottlenecks in all instances. You may do the majority of your burning from HD->CD, but what about when you want to do on-the-fly CD->CD copying?

You can't do both using all PATA drives. In at least one instance there's going to be cable-sharing.

SATA is better. It may not be that big of an issue right now for most users, but there is absolutely no reason for it not to be eliminated, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[n7]

You get nice pretty little slim cables

And more ports on teh mobo usually (though usually only some are locked...which sucks for OCing :frown: )

 

[CQuinn]

Originally posted by: corkyg
Many mobos (older ones especially) combine SATA with RAID - they can't be separated. That's a minus.

I thought those RAID controllers would always allow you to run connected drives independently, so it was not a requirement to use RAID.

[/quote] As for speed - I have both installed and in applications, there is no noticeable difference. Takes about the same time to defrag a SATA drive
as a PATA drive.[/quote]

I have noticed a performance difference on a couple of drives that I have hooked up with PATA-to-SATA adapters. But its more because
they are running on thier own channel (as others have pointed out)

Clutter acts as an insulator for heat and dust within a case; a cleaner case layout does not improve airflow, but it does give critical
components better exposure to the exisitng flow of air.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: corkyg
Well - there is a nother advantage no one has mentioned - SATA drives can be hot pluggable. Thatis, if you mount them externally. But - that also can bring another beast to the party -"Delayed Write Failures."

AFAIK, hot plug/swap capabilities are not required under the SATA standards, so most drives do not support this feature.

 

[Mark R]

SATA has native external drive support - which PATA doesn't.

However, you do need an external SATA enclosure for the drive, and a SATA card with external ports, and an external SATA cable. (External SATA connectors and cables are differenr from internal connectors and cables).

SATA-II also permits the use of SATA port multipliers (or hubs). This allows you to plug several drives into one port. E.g. you could buy an external enclosure that takes 4 drives, and has a built in port multiplier and hook it up to a single SATA port on your PC.