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K1052

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Suggestions?

Summon the Saudi ambassador to the WH and freeze arms sales until a satisfactory explanation is given. Pull back support for their operations in Yemen. Sanction all individuals suspected and prevent their travel to the US and allied nations. Conduct the Magnitsky investigation and sanction senior Saudi officials if their culpability is credible.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Summon the Saudi ambassador to the WH and freeze arms sales until a satisfactory explanation is given. Pull back support for their operations in Yemen. Sanction all individuals suspected and prevent their travel to the US and allied nations. Conduct the Magnitsky investigation and sanction senior Saudi officials if their culpability is credible.

For this? Seriously? What the fuck rock have you been living under? The US Government is far dirtier than the Saudis could ever hope to be. We have backed despots, tyrants and mass murderers for over 100 years. We supply arms, training and intelligence to terrorists. We overthow legitimate governments and set up puppet regimes that brutalize, rob, rape and kill their own people and the Saudis are like the Care Bears compared to other regimes we have financially and militarily supported. You think we're going to play hardball with the Saudis over one measly little death? Christ almighty dude, wake up. The Saudis can go on a killing spree against orphans and puppies and we'd still keep the arms flowing in because we sold our soul to the devil ages ago and they're too important for us to risk losing them. They will continue to get our unconditional support until we get a stronger or more powerful ally in that region. They are the least of all available evils and we have made peace with that.
 

zinfamous

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The sooner we divest ourselves from the M.E. ,the better. We still have time to focus our resources on developing fossil fuel alternatives and removing our dependency on oil. Take away their oil money and see how fast they crumble.

Agreed.

....Hey! ...Maybe electing a mobster gameshow hosts that depends on the spending habits of ME despots, handing over giant bags of money while partying at his properties, and a congress full of goblins that blindly and gleefully support this direct, glaring corruption was a pretty terrible idea, though.

I mean, but only if you actually agree with the things you actually claim.
 

K1052

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For this? Seriously? What the fuck rock have you been living under? The US Government is far dirtier than the Saudis could ever hope to be. We have backed despots, tyrants and mass murderers for over 100 years. We supply arms, training and intelligence to terrorists. We overthow legitimate governments and set up puppet regimes that brutalize, rob, rape and kill their own people and the Saudis are like the Care Bears compared to other regimes we have financially and militarily supported. You think we're going to play hardball with the Saudis over one measly little death? Christ almighty dude, wake up. The Saudis can go on a killing spree against orphans and puppies and we'd still keep the arms flowing in because we sold our soul to the devil ages ago and they're too important for us to risk losing them. They will continue to get our unconditional support until we get a stronger or more powerful ally in that region. They are the least of all available evils and we have made peace with that.

This is the kind of whataboutism that Trump traffics in to excuse basically anything. I'm no fan of LARGE parts of US foreign policy but my mere existence as a US citizen shouldn't presume my approval, far from it.
 

K1052

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Agreed.

....Hey! ...Maybe electing a mobster gameshow hosts that depends on the spending habits of ME despots, handing over giant bags of money while partying at his properties, and a congress full of goblins that blindly and gleefully support this direct, glaring corruption was a pretty terrible idea, though.

I mean, but only if you actually agree with the things you actually claim.

You mean the guy who would probably do away with all fuel efficiency standards is not be the best choice to implement such a monumental shift?

Surprising.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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The Saudis can go on a killing spree against orphans and puppies and we'd still keep the arms flowing in.

Well, they bombed that school bus full of kids in Yemen recently and we didn't do anything, so you're probably right.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to change though.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan chided Saudi Arabia on Thursday for its refusal to publicly account for the whereabouts of Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi, saying the Saudi government possesses “advanced” surveillance equipment that would have recorded Khashoggi’s movements in and around the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, according to a report published in Turkey’s daily Sabah newspaper.

We know this is true.

 
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Bitek

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We're lead by a dotard mobster willing to look the other way on anything if it will sell a few condos.

This is what we can expect when the world doesn't respect us.
 
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Josephus312

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We're lead by a dotard mobster willing to look the other way on anything if it will sell a few condos.

This is what we can expect when the world doesn't respect us.

Why would the SA respect a president that curtsies and sells them weapons and then turns his head when they are murdering civilians?

They own his loans, they can do whatever the fuck they want, just like Russia.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Why would the SA respect a president that curtsies and sells them weapons and then turns his head when they are murdering civilians?

They own his loans, they can do whatever the fuck they want, just like Russia.

Yep. That's why he looked like a bitch again today.

"Oh, uh, was he a United States citizen? No, only a permanent resident living in Virginia? Oh well,... Uh... Very concerned. Very bad. We love reporters. Must love the reporters.

But you know what I also love? Weapon sales. Lots of billions. Just one guy, but lots of billions. Very concerned."
 

woolfe9998

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Turkish government claims to have video evidence of killing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-turkey-recordings-intl/index.html

Turkish authorities have audio and visual evidence that shows journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul just over a week ago, a source familiar with the ongoing investigation told CNN.

The source, who was briefed by a Western intelligence agency, says the evidence showed there had been an assault and a struggle inside the consulate. There is also evidence of the moment that Khashoggi was killed, the source said.
The foreign intelligence service was shocked by the nature of the evidence, provided in a briefing from Turkish officials, the source told CNN.

Khashoggi, a columnist for the Washington Post, walked into the consulate in Istanbul on October 2 intending to get paperwork that would allow him to marry his Turkish fiancée. He hasn't been seen in public since.

The Washington Post reported late Thursday that the Turkish government had told US officials that it was in possession of audio and video recordings proving that Khashoggi was killed in the consulate, citing unnamed US and Turkish sources.
The audio recording in particular provided "persuasive and gruesome evidence" that a Saudi team dispatched to Istanbul was responsible for Khashoggi's death, the Post reported.

"You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic," one person with knowledge of the recording told the Post. "You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered."

I'm surprised that such evidence exists. If it's as advertised, it does force Trump's hand. I'm sure he doesn't want to do anything about this. He'd rather just act "concerned." Is he going to deny the evidence like he does with so many other things?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Turkish government claims to have video evidence of killing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-turkey-recordings-intl/index.html



I'm surprised that such evidence exists. If it's as advertised, it does force Trump's hand. I'm sure he doesn't want to do anything about this. He'd rather just act "concerned." Is he going to deny the evidence like he does with so many other things?

Trump's response is that it's not likely we'll have good news but no matter as we need to sell 110 billion worth of arms so that China or Russia doesn't get the money. That is what's not acceptable. He's not denying anything at the moment, he doesn't give a shit about it other than the money.
 

FIVR

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So what do you guys think will happen here? My guess is a lot of talk and not much action. If the US was going to sanction Saudi Arabia for its absurd actions on the world stage they would've done it back in 2001 when 9/11 happened. Or maybe any of the numerous times Saudi has been caught bombing weddings, hospitals and school busses in Yemen.

1 dead WaPo journalist does not equal 20 dead Yemeni children or 3000 dead Americans. So what is Lindsey Graham even talking about? He isn't going to sanction anybody.


It's like US politicians know that average American's attention span is so short that they won't even remember all the promises they make about holding this country or that "accountable".


I wish Saudi Arabia would be sanctioned and I wish the US relationship with the entire GCC would end. They are a bad influence on both our politics and regional politics in the ME. They are also a brutal dictatorship (unlike Iran) and make us look like hypocrites for supporting them while trying to overthrow Assad and others. But I realize none of this will ever happen.
 
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FIVR

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Turkish government claims to have video evidence of killing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-turkey-recordings-intl/index.html



I'm surprised that such evidence exists. If it's as advertised, it does force Trump's hand. I'm sure he doesn't want to do anything about this. He'd rather just act "concerned." Is he going to deny the evidence like he does with so many other things?

You don't think Trump already knew there was evidence? MIT would've given this to the CIA immediately. They HATE MBS.


Trump has the info and he knows this guy is dead but he will do nothing about it because his personal finances would be affected. Saudi Arabia is a huge part of his scheme to enrich himself while he is president. Holding them accountable would cut his revenues in half or worse.
 

HomerJS

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Trump spends so much Presidential time calling the press "the enemy of the people" and calling them "evil"

Why would the Saudi's think the United States cares if they assassinate journalists?
 
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woolfe9998

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Trump's response is that it's not likely we'll have good news but no matter as we need to sell 110 billion worth of arms so that China or Russia doesn't get the money. That is what's not acceptable. He's not denying anything at the moment, he doesn't give a shit about it other than the money.

Trump said he wouldn't halt the arms deal. He didn't say we wouldn't impose sanctions. Of course, he will not do that, or anything else.

My guess is we get one of those non-binding "resolutions" from Congress condemning it. Then it will promptly be forgotten.
 
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woolfe9998

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PCGeek's callous isolationism perfectly reflected in Trump's latest comment on this:

Later on Thursday, Trump repeatedly alluded to the fact that Khashoggi was not a U.S. citizen. “It’s in Turkey, and it’s not a citizen, as I understand it," he said. "But a thing like that shouldn’t happen.” Trump added later: “Again, this took place in Turkey, and to the best of our knowledge, Khashoggi is not a United States citizen. Is that right?” An aide specified that Khashoggi has been a U.S. resident.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...et-tough-saudi-arabia/?utm_term=.2898c8df1ad7
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Trump said he wouldn't halt the arms deal. He didn't say we wouldn't impose sanctions. Of course, he will not do that, or anything else.

My guess is we get one of those non-binding "resolutions" from Congress condemning it. Then it will promptly be forgotten.

He didn't say he'd do anything. Of course, we'll have Graham saying that a "naughty" statement by our government is the harsh consequences he spoke of.
 
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