plausible deniability. I love it
Poor soul, you were just too high strung.now you are stalking me to make dumb ass comments? wasn't getting pummeled in the other thread good enough for one day?
you are an asshole... nothing i typed has even the least hint of my like or dislike for any given conflict... my comment was relating to the topic of how and what kind of war this may be.
you are a stupid fuck who posts totally off topic personal attacks because you were my bitch (with ducatimoinster getting sloppy seconds) in the other thread...
and now you can give me a vacation when i call you out as a fuckhead mod who doesn't even follow the rules you purport to enforce... your post is totally irrelevant to the topic and a personal attack. fuck you you shit for brains...
We'd be fools to support naked Israeli aggression, regardless of her own paranoid delusions and the fantasies of AIPAC fanbois.
Darwin333 maybe puts his finder on it, by saying, "If Iran blocks Saudi Arabian oil exports the US will lose 1,100,000 bbls a day and regardless of what people think there isn't another country that is both willing and able to replace that supply."
Ok, now realize that is what may happen if Israel is permitted to bomb Iran.
Now what are we going to do about it when it happens. Bomb the Iranian government into submission. We have been there done that with Gulf war 2 under that great military genius GWB. And within a few weeks of the wars opening, American tanks were rolling into Baghdad, the Saddam Huessein government Kaput, but every damn Iraqi insurgent group then looted all of the widely dispersed Iraqi armories, and independent of any Iraqi central government were using those explosives against themselves and the USA. In the case of Iraq, most of Saddam's armaments were depleted by Gulf War one, but Iran, unlike Iraq is much more than a paper tiger. And if if the Iranian government is history, you can bet all kinds of Iranian patriots operating as small partisan groups will continue to blockade the Persian gulf with weapons looted from Iranian armories.
And unlike Iraq which is mostly flat sand ideal for tank warfare, Iran is mostly difficult terrain with many places for insurgents to hide in as natural fortifications.
Even with 200,000 troops, we could not control Iraq or its insurgents, Iran is much bigger and has 3X the population. And 100X the quality weaponry to repel any land based occupation.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced that Israel and the US are trying to drive a wedge between Iran and Saudi Arabia, following a London Times report that Saudi Arabia will allow Israeli jets to use its airspace to bomb Irans nuclear facilities.
Ahamadinejad said "there is no doubt that America and the Zionist regime are enemies of Iran and Saudi Arabia," in a meeting with the new Saudi ambassador to Iran.
"Should [America and Israel] have the opportunity," Ahmadinejad said, "they would harm all the states in the region. If Iran and Saudi Arabia will be united on regional matters, our enemies will not have the courage to invade Muslim land."
The Times cited a US defense source as saying the Saudis had conducted exercises to ensure Israeli jets are not shot down going through Saudi airspace in the event of an attack against Iran. The source added that the US State Department is aware of the agreement.
Sources in Saudi Arabia told The Times that it is common knowledge within defense circles in the kingdom that an arrangement is in place if Israel decides to launch the raid. Despite the tension between the two countries, they said, their governments share a mutual loathing of the regime in Teheran and a common fear of Irans nuclear ambitions. However, Riyadh has publicly denied the report.
An Israeli attempt to destroy Irans nuclear capabilities would likely target uranium enrichment facilities at Qom and Natanz as well as a heavy water reactor at Arak and a gas storage development at Isfahan, the report said.
Questioned on the option of a Saudi flight path for Israeli bombers, Aharon (Zeev) Farkash, who headed military intelligence until 2006 and has been involved in war games simulating a strike on Iran, was quoted by The Times as saying: I know that Saudi Arabia is even more afraid than Israel of an Iranian nuclear capacity.
Maybe FreshGearDude, you should realize that Saudi Arabia is not happy with Iran, Iraq, the USA, or Israel.
Now Darwin333 loses all sanity by saying, "So I assume you advocate that we should immediately drop the 6 month moratorium on Gulf of Mexico drilling, implement a new drilling safety plan such as the "gang of 66" and aggressively go after our own oil so that we are no longer at risk of being drug into war because of the actions of Israel (or any other country in the region)?
You can't have it both ways."
Who says there are only two ways? You seem under the delusion that Iran must be bombed? Or that we have enough oil to meet our own needs.
In short Darwin333, the mid-east may be a fucked up place and the whole world will need mid-east oil, but when you have a fucked up situation, job one is to not fuck it up worse by trying sure absolute insanity by attacking Iran.
Not even GWB was crazy enough to allow Israel to attack Iran.
I think that's what I meant. The US has good relations (republic of georgia) and then the US has relations with people it does business (Kuwait) with and and those are REALLY good.Doesn't really matter how good or bad our relationship is with them. We must protect them in order to protect ourselves from economic collapse. That is the risk you take when you depend on unstable regions to supply your economies lifeblood.
Two little problems with your position.
(1) God forgot to endow the USA with abundant oil. Even a reckless crash USA program would not come up with even 500,000 barrels per day. And US oil production is further delimited by a lack of drilling rigs. The USA has leased a plethora of drilling sites to oil companies, but the fast bulk are not being tapped by anyone. Once the USA leases a drilling site to the XYZ oil company, we have to wait and wait and wait for the XYZ oil company to drill on its, even if a pile of other oil companies would be thrilled to use that drilling site today.
(2) At the end of the day the USA is better off buying oil from others cheap rather than totally depleting our limited reserves, when in future everyone's oil will become more valuable than it is today.
Here is yet another sea of oil, without the issues of deep sea drilling...In 1998, the USGS estimated that 1002 area of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge contains a total of between 5.7 and 16.0 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil, with a mean estimate of 10.4 billion barrels, of which 7.7 billion barrels falls within the Federal portion of the ANWR 1002 Area. In May 2008 the EIA used this assessment to estimate the potential cumulative production of the 1002 area of ANWR to be a maximum of 4.3 billion barrels from 2018 to 2030. This estimate is a best case scenario of technically recoverable oil during the area's primary production years if legislation were passed in 2008 to allow drilling.
Time for the U.S. to move toward nuclear, sure, and to use the country's own natural resources, not so much those of nations only marginally aligned with U.S. interests. Not to cut Israel, Saudi Arabia or the Gulf oil states out, but to provide us with the resources necessary to achieve cheap energy to power our industry and to fuel our own economic growth before that of others in this competitive world.The USGS Assessment for the Bakken Formation estimated mean undiscovered volumes of 3.65 billion barrels of oil, 1.85 trillion cubic feet of associated / dissolved natural gas, and 148 million barrels of natural gas liquids in the United States portion of the Bakken Formation. These resources are contained within both conventional and unconventional reservoirs. The Bakken Formation in Canada contains additional resources and has been called one of the largest oil fields in Canada.
To Darwin333, now that I understand your positin beter I can better understand what you are trying to say in, "Do I need to draw a fucking picture or something? This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. 1 million barrels a day of additional domestic production puts us in an unbelievably better situation to tell Israel they are on their own. 2 million barrels a day gets us off of oil from the entire region."
Two little problems with your position.
(1) God forgot to endow the USA with abundant oil. Even a reckless crash USA program would not come up with even 500,000 barrels per day. And US oil production is further delimited by a lack of drilling rigs. The USA has leased a plethora of drilling sites to oil companies, but the fast bulk are not being tapped by anyone. Once the USA leases a drilling site to the XYZ oil company, we have to wait and wait and wait for the XYZ oil company to drill on its, even if a pile of other oil companies would be thrilled to use that drilling site today.
(2) At the end of the day the USA is better off buying oil from others cheap rather than totally depleting our limited reserves, when in future everyone's oil will become more valuable than it is today.
Saudi Arabia Ok's Israeli strike on Iran
I'm calling shens.
Unless someone shows me where Egypt, Jordon and/or Syria agreed to open airspace for an attack.
Or even Iraq. You remember Iraq, don't you? The formally somewhat secular Iraq dictated by a Sunni thug that is now a Shia domain.
Good luck with that one.
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Darwin says, "In JUST the Gulf of Mexico we have brought well over 250,000BBLs/Day of NEW production online in just the last 3 years."
Now do the math, its taken 3 years to bring in that 250,000 barrels, so it would take like 12 years to get your million barrels/day. And at the same time, you forget to factor in all those other US oil fields that have been basically pumped dry. In short, oil is not a renewable resource. Or an infinite resource.
And we also have to realize that oil, like all minerals has a production cost associated with it. Oil from oil shale and tar sands is recoverable, but it only starts to get economically feasible when oil prices rise up past $100.00/barrel or greater, the recovery process is slow, and then there is the huge environmental damage. On the other hand the Saudi oil fields struck it lucky, the oil is not deep, the production costs are very low, but one day, even the Saudis will find they are pumped dry.
Worse yet, its used to be mostly the USA doing most of the world's oil consumption, but as China and Indian are increasing their consumption of oil, supply still remains about the same and demand is ever increasing. And we all know how the economic law of supply and demand works.
On the other hand Darwin333, you do have some points, its been about 150 years since the first oil well was drilled, and we are still well shy of what is called peak oil, as we discover more and more potential drilling sites. I have heard estimates that we are 40 and maybe 60 years from that peak oil point. But 200 or 250 years is just a moment in the geological history of the earth, and is it wise for just a few generations of humans to selfishly utilize all of it thus robbing all future generations.