Saudi Arabia willing to send ground troops to Syria

May 11, 2008
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I worry that the full out war is going to happen in the ME :

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...-set-deploy-troops-syria-160205042542486.html

Saudi Arabia willing to send ground troops to Syria

After recent military gains by Assad forces, Gulf kingdom ready to put boots on the ground in Syria's escalating war.

Saudi Arabia is prepared to deploy ground troops to Syria to fight the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) if US-led coalition leaders agree to the offer.
Saudi's air force has targeted ISIL with air strikes since the campaign began in Syria in September 2014, but the Gulf kingdom is now ready to provide ground forces to defeat the armed group, a military spokesman said on Thursday.
"Today, the Saudi kingdom announced its readiness to participate with ground troops with the US-led coalition against ISIL, because we now have the experience in Yemen," Brigadier General Ahmed Asseri told Al Jazeera.
"We know that air strikes cannot be enough and that a ground operation is needed. We need to combine both to achieve better results on the ground."
Asseri didn't elaborate on how many soldiers the kingdom could send.
The Saudi offer is expected to be discussed when the United States convenes a meeting of defence ministers from coalition countries fighting ISIL in Brussels next week.
Lawrence Korb, a former US assistant secretary of defence, said while Middle East countries have armed and supplied rebels during the five-year Syrian civil war, putting boots on the ground would mark a major shift.
He noted that it may also signal to Russia - whose air power has greatly aided President Bashar al-Assad's recent major military gains - a need to return to Geneva peace negotiations that were postponed this week.
"The fact that you will have Saudi troops on the ground fighting with the rebels against the government is a very significant escalation, and hopefully will get the Russians to these peace talks, rather than thinking they can create a mini-Alawite state in Syria," Korb told Al Jazeera.

Ashton Carter, the US defense secretary, welcomed the Saudi offer to participate in ground operations in Syria.
Carter said increased activity by other countries would make it easier for the United States to accelerate its fight against ISIL.
"That kind of news is very welcome," he told reporters on Thursday.
Saudi Arabia is deeply involved in neighbouring Yemen's civil war, where it is fighting Iranian-backed Houthi rebels both on the ground and from the air.
Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries have long viewed Iran as a regional menace, and Riyadh and Tehran back opposite sides in the wars in Syria and Yemen.
 

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Lifer
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Who will Saudis fight for?
My money is to destabilize the government and empower terrorism.
Meanwhile we cheer them on...

Our current administration is as bad as Bush.
 
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See if we let the people that actually have skin in the game handle their own problems, they do.

I'm sick of sending troops to the ME and I'm sick of the consistently shitty results we get.
 

alcoholbob

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See if we let the people that actually have skin in the game handle their own problems, they do.

I'm sick of sending troops to the ME and I'm sick of the consistently shitty results we get.

The problem seems to be is they want to be the leader of the Sunni jihadists fighting everyone else in the war. Them entering the war is counterproductive unless we want to start bombing both sides of the civil war like Iraq again and become the great devil everyone unites around.
 
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The problem seems to be is they want to be the leader of the Sunni jihadists fighting everyone else in the war. Them entering the war is counterproductive unless we want to start bombing both sides of the civil war like Iraq again and become the great devil everyone unites around.

Nope we sit this out. I'm not a fan of fracking for oil but we may as well enjoy the benefits.
 

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Why worry? Let them fight it out.

And if we could just start to use solar and wind for energy over Oil.. we'd never ever need to go to the middle east, let alone send our men and women in uniform to that hell hole.
 

JSt0rm

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Who will Saudis fight for?
My money is to destabilize the government and empower terrorism.
Meanwhile we cheer them on...

Our current administration is as bad as Bush.


That was our goal in iraq so dunno why this would be any different.
 

nickqt

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Considering that Saudi Arabia is essentially the worst country in the region, bankrolling both Al Qaeda and Daesh, it can't be for anything good.
 

kage69

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Who will Saudis fight for?
My money is to destabilize the government and empower terrorism.
Meanwhile we cheer them on...

Our current administration is as bad as Bush.


The Bush Admin is a bit a misnomer really, but regardless, is it your goal to show that thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars don't figure into your views on foreign policy?

It's like you're actually trying to make people not take you seriously. Why?
 
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Considering that Saudi Arabia is essentially the worst country in the region, bankrolling both Al Qaeda and Daesh, it can't be for anything good.

I find it not that strange that all sh'ite leaders are under attack by western countries that see Saudi Arabia as an alley. Money and oil are great eye patches. Meanwhile the west is dragged into something that will turn into a global war if we stay naive. Someone asked me once if a world war would come. I said yes. And i hope it will be the last one before we make ourselfs extinct.
For the record, i do not uphold any religion.
 

Ventanni

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Saudi interests are at stake in Syria now that the rebels are suffering major setbacks. Aleppo is nearly encircled, and the rebels are being pushed back to the Turkish border. This is all thanks to Russian air power providing CAS for the Syrian regime.

Neither Syria nor Turkey want Assad in power because he's an obstacle to their pipeline plans, and now that the Syrian Arab Army is winning, it's risking intervention. This could get real ugly real fast.
 

Fern

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I find it not that strange that all sh'ite leaders are under attack by western countries that see Saudi Arabia as an alley. Money and oil are great eye patches. Meanwhile the west is dragged into something that will turn into a global war if we stay naive. Someone asked me once if a world war would come. I said yes. And i hope it will be the last one before we make ourselfs extinct.
For the record, i do not uphold any religion.

Ummm, our leader, Obama, has now sided with the Shia (Iran) and moved away from the Saudi's.

Fern
 
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When religious fanatics get too powerful, they start to see themselves as an instrument of God. Thinking they have a blank but signed check to do anything as they please. No more different then any other megalomaniac. That has been shown time and time again. I worry. History repeats...
 

DucatiMonster696

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Why worry? Let them fight it out.

And if we could just start to use solar and wind for energy over Oil.. we'd never ever need to go to the middle east, let alone send our men and women in uniform to that hell hole.

Solar and wind are long term solutions to energy independence but not the only solution in the short or intermediate term or long term. They need to be offset by other forms of energy production and fuels, etc because they will not meet all of our demands presently.

However, right now we are a net exporter of oil, we have a crap ton of coal, natural gas along with the technology to lessen the environmental impact of using said coal and natural gas or oil to push toward greater energy independence.

There is also nuclear power that can certainly reduce emissions to zero if you don't like those fossil fuel based alternatives. In addition with newer nuclear power plant designs being safer and able to reprocess and use much of the nuclear waste by-product to help fuel those nuclear reactors, a lot of our past concerns are nothing more than that, concerns of the past by in large that are not relevant (or greatly mitigated) with newer designs and technology to make nuclear a no brainer.

So our ability to wash our hands of the Middle-East region and it's conflict is there RIGHT NOW except you can't be to picky about how it's done.

Of course all of this is predicated on us figuring out just how were are going to abandon our US dollar to Middle-East oil connection without tanking our currency and debt laden economy and government.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petrodollars-affect-us-dollar.asp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling

If you didn't know, the petrodollar connection is a foreign and monetary stabilization policy enacted just after Nixon took us off the international gold standard which helped/helps to ensure demand for the dollar globally by ensuring that Middle-Eastern Sunni Gulf states agree to sell their oil strictly in dollars terms (thus spurring demand for the dollar globally) and in exchange we support their interest in the region to a degree.

It's this connection that ensured the US dollar became and still remains a global reserve currency of choice. It is the mechanism by which we use to export our inflation to the world so that we import their deflation in monetary terms and thus it helps us maintain our debt spending. This is what really keeps us tied to the region even if everyone on all sides of the political debate in the US wants a way out from the region.

If you can find something else with global demand that you can use to tie the floating dollar to so that it won't get crushed and their will be global demand for it no matter what occurs than you can begin the process of decoupling the US and our foreign policy and interests from the region. Otherwise get used to the fact that we are never NOT going to have a interest in what happens in that culturally and socially ass-backwards part of the world.
 
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alcoholbob

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According to Jim Rickards who is/was a CIA consultant, if Henry Kissingers meeting with Aramco in 1973 didnt turn out well (i.e. The Saudis did not agree to price oil only in dollars) there was a contingency plan to invade Saudi Arabia and have US corporations pump the oil and sell the oil in dollars.
 

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Lifer
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The Bush Admin is a bit a misnomer really, but regardless, is it your goal to show that thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars don't figure into your views on foreign policy?

It's like you're actually trying to make people not take you seriously. Why?

The creation of ISIS and the present tinderbox situation in the Middle East is the true legacy of the Iraq war. The Neocon policy of "democratizing" countries is carried on by the Obama Presidency.

Our costs continue to pile on. This isn't nearly over, especially with the Saudis threatening to make it worse... by our blessing.
 

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Considering that Saudi Arabia is essentially the worst country in the region, bankrolling both Al Qaeda and Daesh, it can't be for anything good.

My guess is they are going in to strategically assist the West in dismantling Russian and Iranian support of the regime while posing as an anti-ISIS operation.
 

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Lifer
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MAJOR ESCALATION IN SYRIA!

Turkey and Saudi Arabia have announced and made the initial moves for a ground invasion of Syria. Russia is currently operating in Syria to protect the government and after Turkey's act of war in shooting down the Russian plane, trigger fingers must be itchy.

Will Arabs attack Russia / Assad positions?
Will Russia attack them and avenge their plane?
Or will Russia back down and let the "world" determine the future of Syria?

Stay tuned...

Saudi Arabia official: If all else fails, remove Syria's Assad by force
Russian Military deployment aimed at Turkey

Last January, President Vladimir Putin cautioned the West not to become involved in any possible future Russo-Turkish confrontation: “NATO must defend its members against attack, but no one is attacking Turkey. NATO nations, including Germany, must not help Turkey defend its interests inside Syria.” Putin warned: “If challenged, Russia will defend its interests using all available means” (see EDM, January 14).

 
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