Save $1000 on a Land Rover

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Spend over $60,000 to to buy that POS and save $1,000?? I'd rather buy 2 Grand Cherokees!

we have 3 grand cherokees

99', 01', 03'.... they are all great...

 

[Thump553]

$1000 will about cover one small repair. My brother in law, an outdoorsy type, got a used Rover for his wife (amazing powers of persuasion). His alternator went recently. Official Rover part was about $700, he got an aftermarket one for about $400. Ouch.

 

[ReiAyanami]

u can use that $1000 to buy your first tank of gas!!

 

[LandRover]

It's obvious that some of you seem to think that there is only one Rover, and that it costs $60,000.
The Discovery is in the same price range as Grand Cherokees, Tahoes, etc.

And please don't run down a vehicle if you've never owned one.
I've owned one for about the last 7 years. Mine has nearly 160,000 miles on it now, and it's been a very reliable vehicle.
The older models such as Range Rover Classics, Defenders, and first generation Discoverys are very good vehicles.

There are tons of places to get reasonably priced parts and accessories for Land Rovers. Anyone that just drives into the local LR dealer and says "fix it" is quite foolish.

They are extremely good off-road. The older models were more capable off-road though, IMO.
Mine has seen a lot of off-roading. There aren't too many stock vehicles that are as capable, especially not many new vehicles.

 

[Bob151]

blah, blah, blah.

 

[LandRover]

Intelligent reply there, Bob.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Couldn't find the comparison article I was looking for, but here's C&D's COMPARISON TEST: Designer-Ute Smackdown

The Discovery comes 7th out of 7 vehicles. :Q

Don't get me wrong - the LR is a capable offroader but waaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced for what it does. It's the 'value' that I have a problem with.

Enough said.

Originally posted by: PHiuR

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Spend over $60,000 to to buy that POS and save $1,000?? I'd rather buy 2 Grand Cherokees!

we have 3 grand cherokees

99', 01', 03'.... they are all great...

Agreed!

Tomorrow I'm going to pick up a low mileage JGC Limited with a supercharged engine, with replacement headers and mufflers. Didn't use a stopwatch but it felt like 0-60 in around 7 seconds

 

[LandRover]

Don't get me wrong - the LR is a capable offroader but waaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced for what it does. It's the 'value' that I have a problem with.

I guess that would depend on what you want in a vehicle. Most (not all) of the other vehicles in that comparision are basically 4wd cars. Most of them don't even have frames. They are unibody design.
The winner (Acura MDX) doesn't even have a low range transfer case.
They even admitted that the Discovery was the best off-road. It's obvious that they were more interested in car like handling than off-road capability.

The Discovery shouldn't have even been included in that style comparison.

Tomorrow I'm going to pick up a low mileage JGC Limited with a supercharged engine, with replacement headers and mufflers. Didn't use a stopwatch but it felt like 0-60 in around 7 seconds

That's a good example. I don't hear you mentioning anything about how it will perform off-road. It sounds like you're more interested in stop light racing. Why get a Jeep then?

I think people have seriously lost perspective when it comes to what these vehicles were originally designed for.

I've always wondered why some auto makers even make 2wd SUVs. Why? Surely the person that's going to buy it would be just as happy with a minivan. That makes about as much sense as someone wanting a Porsche 911 with a lift kit and mud tires.

And people wonder why SUVs can roll over or just be generally dangerous. Well, let's see... When you have someone driving it like it's a sports car... That could cause some dangerous situations. Vehicles intended for off-road use shouldn't be expected to handle like sports cars on the highway. And driving them as such is part of the reason why SUVs just keep getting a worse reputation.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: LandRover

Don't get me wrong - the LR is a capable offroader but waaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced for what it does. It's the 'value' that I have a problem with.

I guess that would depend on what you want in a vehicle. Most (not all) of the other vehicles in that comparision are basically 4wd cars. Most of them don't even have frames. They are unibody design.
The winner (Acura MDX) doesn't even have a low range transfer case.
They even admitted that the Discovery was the best off-road. It's obvious that they were more interested in car like handling than off-road capability.

The Discovery shouldn't have even been included in that style comparison.

Tomorrow I'm going to pick up a low mileage JGC Limited with a supercharged engine, with replacement headers and mufflers. Didn't use a stopwatch but it felt like 0-60 in around 7 seconds

That's a good example. I don't hear you mentioning anything about how it will perform off-road. It sounds like you're more interested in stop light racing. Why get a Jeep then?

I think people have seriously lost perspective when it comes to what these vehicles were originally designed for.

I've always wondered why some auto makers even make 2wd SUVs. Why? Surely the person that's going to buy it would be just as happy with a minivan. That makes about as much sense as someone wanting a Porsche 911 with a lift kit and mud tires.

And people wonder why SUVs can roll over or just be generally dangerous. Well, let's see... When you have someone driving it like it's a sports car... That could cause some dangerous situations. Vehicles intended for off-road use shouldn't be expected to handle like sports cars on the highway. And driving them as such is part of the reason why SUVs just keep getting a worse reputation.

I agree the Discovery beats all others in off road performance. One reason is that originally LR and Jeeps were the only two mainstream vehicles which were designed for off road use from the ground up. All the others, Explorer, Bronco, Jimmy etc. were just trucks given a new set of clothes and trying to jump on the SUV bandwagon. What I was trying to find was a similar C&D comparison in off road performance that included the LR & GJC and the GJC was, surprisingly, rated higher than the LR. That was one of the reasons which made me take another look at the JGC as a option to own one.

The less said about the modern SUV?s like Honda, Acura and all the others, the better. You're right they are just 4 wheel drive cars. :disgust:

The other issue is that even among those who regularly off road, majority SUV use is as a regular on road vehicle. Unless of course you can afford to have enough vehicles to limit their use to a specific purpose. So when evaluating an SUV one cannot be blind to how it performs as an on road vehicle and how easy it is to live with.

I did not specifically mention off road performance of the Jeep I intend to buy because that is the issue being discussed here! However I do off road and one of the reasons I have a Jeep is that I have to go over dirt tracks every day to work. There is no road for the last half mile to my office (some dispute between the residents and township ? mostly about funding) and it?s illuminating to watch when it rains and in the recent snows we?ve had in the north east. Nearly all vehicles were getting stuck regularly ? that list includes 4x4?s like Durango, Toyota?s 4x4 trucks and of course cars. (We gained many brownie points with our backhoe pulling them out! ) The only two vehicles which didn?t get stuck at any time were the JGC and Jeep Liberty. (There are no LR?s in the area) You can argue that driving technique has a lot to contribute but vehicle performance also matters.

Since I own only 1 vehicle at a time and cannot afford Porsches and their ilk I chose a jeep also for its on road performance and ease of driving comfort. My first choice was a 300M but that would be useless in my daily commute to the office.

Read that article again for what it says about the handling and cornering ability of the Discovery. That seems to be the general opinion of LR?s apart from their boxy appearance.

Ultimately, for me, it comes down what value I am getting for what I am spending which is why I think the LR?s are overpriced. If the LR sold for 30K-35K or under I would consider buying it.

 

[derby]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Ultimately, for me, it comes down what value I am getting for what I am spending which is why I think the LR?s are overpriced. If the LR sold for 30K-35K or under I would consider buying it.

Just so you know, the '03 Discovery S is $34,995 MSRP. You can, of course, talk that down $2000-3000.



For you guys that own/want Rovers, a great resource is www.discoweb.org. Some guys on that site recently went wheeling w/ a H2 owner and the Hummer got stuck. There are a grip of pics of the H2 getting towed (by Discos) over obstacles and the like. The H2 owner even had to put a DiscoWeb sticker on his truck.

 

[LandRover]

So when evaluating an SUV one cannot be blind to how it performs as an on road vehicle and how easy it is to live with.

Just remember, don't believe everything you read. Discoverys handle very nicely on the road as well. People should take the time to test drive vehicles for first hand experience instead of relying solely on what someone says.

 

[Infos]

$1000 off on a piece of crap.......
how can I refuse?
Just bought a silver Honda Element
Now THAT is a sweet ride.

 

[iamwiz82]

Land Rovers do not out perform any Jeeps offroad other than the Liberty

I have a grand cherokee and can outperform any LR out there. Then again, i'm far from stock

 

[LandRover]

Infos: You obviously haven't owned one and know nothing about them. And we're supposed to value your opinion?
I assume you are kidding about the Honda Element... :Q

Land Rovers do not out perform any Jeeps offroad other than the Liberty. I have a grand cherokee and can outperform any LR out there. Then again, i'm far from stock

Interesting. There are 2 Jeeps in our family. One is a modified '95 Wrangler and the other is a '01 Cherokee.
My stock 13 year old Rover easily out performs them both off-road. I like the Cherokee (it's not a Grand, just a Cherokee, which I believe is better off-road than a stock Grand), and it is very capable. I've also been able to directly compare to an '01 Xterra. It's not as good off-road either.

Perhaps your highly modified Grand Cherokee is much more capable. Who knows.

I'll gladly meet you on the trail in your Jeep.

 

[Infos]

u can use that $1000 to buy your first tank of gas!!

That was a good one

ps land rovers AND jeeps are both pieces of crap

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Infos

u can use that $1000 to buy your first tank of gas!!

That was a good one

ps land rovers AND jeeps are both pieces of crap

That is just your opinion. JGC is not the second most popular selling SUV for nothing. Even LR's are renown for their off road capability albeit they made their name in times of less competition. These vehicles appeal to some and not to others. Different strokes for different folks.