Save Wii U, needs to be focused on JRPGs

[Rage187]

I play the hell out of my 3DS because of all the decent RPGs on the platform. I don't care that they came out 8 years ago on the PS2, I never got to play them.

I'd buy a Wii U if they just released or rereleased a backlog of JRPGs. That would be different enough to add uniqueness to the device. I'll use a PS4 for everything else. I don't need pretty graphics for my RPGs; and I freaking hate the ridiculous spell animations on current consoles. Those stupid, long animations slow down my XP grinding, which is exactly why I buy JRPGs.

So, Nintendo should say "we will still release all our core, first party titles, and any 3rd party game is going to be a RPG and take advantage of the second screen for battle commands, maps and inventory management"

Then, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

 

[purbeast0]

there are a lot of things nintendo could do to make people want to buy the wii-u, but they are too stubborn/stupid to do it.

 

[smackababy]

there are a lot of things nintendo could do to make people want to buy the wii-u, but they are too stubborn/stupid to do it.

They just need a big failure every so often to shake things up a bit I think. They had the Powerglove (which as cool as it sounded, was awful; I had one, I know). They then had the Virtual Boy. The WiiU is just their next big failure, and they will do something else and be okay.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Speaking of the Powerglove...

Check this out.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...-the-legacy-of-nintendo-39-s-power-glove.aspx

 

[DaveSimmons]

I'd much rather the classic RPGs and new ones be made for the PS4 -- much better RAM, graphics, CPU, etc.

If you're going to update Xenosaga, Shadow Hearts, Star Ocean, Persona, FF etc. do it in 1080 / 60 fps, not at the 720 / 30 fps at best that the Wii U can manage.

For bonus points Sony should also dig up some underrated western RPGs like Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.

 

[Dannar26]

For bonus points Sony should also dig up some underrated western RPGs like Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.

Hear hear!

 

[mmntech]

They just need a big failure every so often to shake things up a bit I think. They had the Powerglove (which as cool as it sounded, was awful; I had one, I know). They then had the Virtual Boy. The WiiU is just their next big failure, and they will do something else and be okay.

The Power Glove was made by Mattel. It's not an official NES peripheral. In fact, Nintendo had no role in its development.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerglove#Development

Nintendo's two biggest failures were probably the Virtual Boy, and their ill fated deal with Sony and Phillips when they were trying to make a SNES CD. That last one especially. Their work with Nintendo is what ultimately convinced Sony to make a console, and the technology from the project became the Playstation.

 

[exdeath]

The Power Glove was made by Mattel. It's not an official NES peripheral. In fact, Nintendo had no role in its development.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerglove#Development

Nintendo's two biggest failures were probably the Virtual Boy, and their ill fated deal with Sony and Phillips when they were trying to make a SNES CD. That last one especially. Their work with Nintendo is what ultimately convinced Sony to make a console, and the technology from the project became the Playstation.

And Nintendo has regreted it ever since.

 

[mmntech]

And Nintendo has regreted it ever since.

What apparently happened is Nintendo's president at the time, Hiroshi Yamauchi, thought Sony's contract was a bit too rich and cancelled it, then partnered exclusively with Phillips. The latter of which would take the money and run, along with two core Nintendo franchises.

IIRC, the Virtual Boy came about because the N64 was taking too long to develop, and kept getting delayed. It was rushed, and it really showed. Bad ergonomics all around.

 

[Carmen813]

The Wii U will be fine.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The Wii U will be fine.

If by fine you mean selling worse than the Vita then ok lol.

Seriously though JRPGS will NOT save the WiiU. They aren't as popular worldwide as something like Skyrim for example. The sales prove this time after time.

Do I like some of them? Of course, but I won't sugar coat the facts. Nintendo needs to do one thing and one thing only. Show us a new Metroid game in HD on the Wiiu(no 2d iso view), Show us a new Zelda game on the Wiiu (no remakes), and show us an original Super Mario 64-esque title on the Wiiu. Then they will sell a lot of hardware for those titles. Pikmin won't do it, Mario Kart won't do it, maybe Smash Bros will give them a good month but overall they NEED Zelda/Mario/Metroid and need it yesterday. That and a big 3rd party game that is original and not on any other platform.

 

[Carmen813]

If by fine you mean selling worse than the Vita then ok lol.

Seriously though JRPGS will NOT save the WiiU. They aren't as popular worldwide as something like Skyrim for example. The sales prove this time after time.

Do I like some of them? Of course, but I won't sugar coat the facts. Nintendo needs to do one thing and one thing only. Show us a new Metroid game in HD on the Wiiu(no 2d iso view), Show us a new Zelda game on the Wiiu (no remakes), and show us an original Super Mario 64-esque title on the Wiiu. Then they will sell a lot of hardware for those titles. Pikmin won't do it, Mario Kart won't do it, maybe Smash Bros will give them a good month but overall they NEED Zelda/Mario/Metroid and need it yesterday. That and a big 3rd party game that is original and not on any other platform.

And we know all those games are coming. So the Wii U will be fine

 

[StrangerGuy]

Days of JRPGs dominating markets like FF7 to X are long past.

 

[cmdrdredd]

And we know all those games are coming. So the Wii U will be fine

We don't know that because they have not shown that. If they ever do they may be too far in the hole with 3rd party support to swing it around because all the developers will be focused elsewhere.

 

[Carmen813]

We don't know that because they have not shown that. If they ever do they may be too far in the hole with 3rd party support to swing it around because all the developers will be focused elsewhere.

I think the only one that you mentioned that isn't a guarantee is Metroid. We're likely to see another Mario and a new Zelda has already been confirmed to be in the works. Mario Kart is a HUGE seller for them as well.

Nintendo is also doing fairly well with attracting indie developers to the Wii U, they should have 20-30 more indie games out by years end.

Most major third party games are still coming out on the Wii U this year - Batman, Splinter Cell, COD: Ghosts to name a few. The only ones missing are from EA, which is significant, but they appear to have it in for Nintendo at the moment. They have a couple third part exclusives that are looking nice - namely Sonic and Wonderful 101 (demo is very fun).

 

[KlokWyze]

JRPGs blow. They never advanced them and in fact kept making them worse & worse. It's been nothing but downhill since FF7 & BOF4.

 

[Sulaco]

JRPGs blow. They never advanced them and in fact kept making them worse & worse. It's been nothing but downhill since FF7 & BOF4.

The genre has definitely slowed down of late, but saying "JRPGs blow" for that reason is pretty ignorant. Some of the greatest games of all time have been JRPGs, but with changing gamer tastes and demographics, as well as industry trends heavily favoring western IPs, the genre has taken a serious downturn.

Tremendous recent efforts like Xenoblade Chronicles, Radiant Historia, Ni No Kuni, and many others prove your first statement is fatuous.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I think the only one that you mentioned that isn't a guarantee is Metroid. We're likely to see another Mario and a new Zelda has already been confirmed to be in the works. Mario Kart is a HUGE seller for them as well.

Nintendo is also doing fairly well with attracting indie developers to the Wii U, they should have 20-30 more indie games out by years end.

Most major third party games are still coming out on the Wii U this year - Batman, Splinter Cell, COD: Ghosts to name a few. The only ones missing are from EA, which is significant, but they appear to have it in for Nintendo at the moment. They have a couple third part exclusives that are looking nice - namely Sonic and Wonderful 101 (demo is very fun).

Does Nintendo do self publish for indie devs? Both the ps4 and xb1 will allow for this so it will become a big deal on that front. I am not necessarily interested in indie games but there may be a couple gems here or there. There may be some major 3rd party games coming to the wiiu but they will be the most inferior version. The ps4 and xb1 will have a superior version of these games. That is going yo be a problem for sure. Especially if you consider that cod is a big online game and Nintendo's network is lacking.

 

[nageov3t]

Days of JRPGs dominating markets like FF7 to X are long past.

RIP

I hate that RPG's seem to be slowly turning into button-mashfests like action games... otoh, a lot of the JRPG's I've played recently have been killing me with their grind-y nature.

games that I loved when I was 20 because they had hundreds of hours of gameplay now annoy me at 30 (Disgaea is a great example... loved it when it first came out, but the gameplay/style hasn't changed at all and now the idea of having to grind out hundreds of levels just makes me bored)

 

[insertcarehere]

And we know all those games are coming. So the Wii U will be fine

Well, we know for a fact that Nintendo are planning on a pretty packed holiday 2013 lineup (that is if they don't delay any of them..), and a few key games for early 2014, but then, what else? Will there be droughts reminiscent of this again for the entire generation? These are compounded by the seeming lack of care that Nintendo has given to third parties, regardless of what we have been hearing otherwise. Remember, the gamecube also had a very good Nintendo output, and arguably better ongoing third-party support, and look what that did in sales.

 

[nextJin]

Well, we know for a fact that Nintendo are planning on a pretty packed holiday 2013 lineup (that is if they don't delay any of them..), and a few key games for early 2014, but then, what else? Will there be droughts reminiscent of this again for the entire generation? These are compounded by the seeming lack of care that Nintendo has given to third parties, regardless of what we have been hearing otherwise. Remember, the gamecube also had a very good Nintendo output, and arguably better ongoing third-party support, and look what that did in sales.

define "packed" before the end of 2013?

 

[cmdrdredd]

define "packed" before the end of 2013?

Exactly. There's not much for people who are also interested in the PS4 and XB1. THAT is the problem.

 

[Sulaco]

define "packed" before the end of 2013?

+2

Just not seeing it.

In fact, I'd wager the [near] LAUNCH line-ups of the PS4/Xb1 are going to be far more appealing to both gamers and casuals alike.

I think Nintendo's best bet is banking on there being a shortage of those two this Christmas season, and therefore picking up sales from parents/consumers not able to get their hands on a PS4 or Xb1.

 

[NTMBK]

They have plenty of Nintendo games coming out this year, which should help massively. I can't wait for the new Donkey Kong, personally. A new Metroid would be good, but only if they do it right- I don't want another abomination like Other M.

There's a couple of things that Nintendo should be doing, though-

-Putting the entirety of the Wii VC catalogue on the Wii U, ASAP. Playing VC games on the Gamepad is just flat out awesome, and there really can't be much work involved in porting a port. Hire a shedload of interns, and put them on the job 24/7.
-Make indie development as simple as they possibly can. Screw EA, I want a port of FtL.

 

[Aikouka]

The Wii actually had a few JRPGs, and as you can guess, that didn't do much for the Wii. Xenoblade Chronicles goes for a ridiculous amount on eBay, because it didn't sell (partly because it was a GameStop exclusive) and they stopped making the game. There were a few other JRPGs that seemed to be nothing more than blips on the radar.

Let's put it plainly, a bunch of unknown JRPGs won't do anything for them. They need a big name exclusive, which they will not get, like Square-Enix.