Saw a Tesla S on the road

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Kaido

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I know for me personally this vehicle would work even as a family vehicle for most trips, 2 kids and wife. Most of the time or trips are either to San Diego about 70-75 miles or to Bakersfield which is about 180 miles. The model S would get us to both locations without issue. The key for Tesla will be the SuperCharger stations and the deployment. I am glad it looks like they rolling them out quicker than planned. I know for me I could drive to Bakersfield and pull in to the Tejon Ranch super charger station and top of the vehicle and then continue to Bakersfield. Do the family business and then drive back probably depending on if I could charge it or not in Bakersfield stopping at the Tejon Ranch station again to top of the battery before driving home. Last year we drove to Lake Tahoe and with the way the super charger stations are it wouldn't have been a issue. Even going to Las Vegas shouldn't be a issue as long as you double check that your hotel has a charging station. The thing is for Tesla even without the Super Charging network fully in place they have a waiting list of people for the cars. They just didn't have the capital to put a nation wide super charging network in-place from the start. Looking forward to when the below $50k model is released so I can possibly look at a purchase.

Seriously...I think it would be a great family car too. I've been toying around with the idea of a Tesla S as a long-term car because really, what maintenance would you have to deal with? The battery warranty is 8 years and a replacement high-end model is $12k, which works out to an additional $125 if you were to save up over that timespan. And within 5 years I'm pretty sure they'll have that 500-mile battery pack they've been talking about. But alas, the downside is the cost. My config on their site is $108k and I'm definitely not a one-percenter :biggrin:

I can definitely see an electric car working out in my life. I am extremely tied to my work site due to my job in IT, so I have a pretty fixed commute between the different buildings & home. My typical week is 6 days plus on-call, so I could even do a lesser EV if we had chargers at work. I just took my buddy's all-electric Honda Fit EV out for a spin and it was absolutely the most amazing vehicle I've driven. My buddy is taking me out for a spin in his Leaf this week and I'll also be checking out my other friend's Volt, so it's pretty cool to start seeing all of this stuff become mainstream.
 

Kaido

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More questions answered about the battery swap process:

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/06/21/tesla-answers-questions-about-battery-swap/

Question: Will owners need to make a reservation for a battery swap?

Answer: No reservations are needed. Each of the swap sites will be stocked with enough batteries to cover demand.

Question: How many battery packs will be available at each location?

Answer: That depends purely on how frequently the station is used. For the most part, expect a swap station to stock about 50 batteries. However, busy corridors will have more and less popular stations will have fewer. The quantity will basically align proportionally with the number of Supercharger units at the station.

Question: Are the batteries at the stations all brand-new?

Answer: They will be brand-new at first. But as owners use them, they will obviously have recharging cycles on them. Each will be monitored for optimal performance, so the customer won't have to worry about that.

Question: How much does it cost to upgrade a charging station to allow battery swapping?

Answer: It costs about $500,000 per site, and that includes digging the pit, construction and hardware. The electrical capacity is already on site (supplying energy to the Superchargers).

Question: When will the first battery swap station be online?

Answer: Expect the first station in California, in the fourth quarter of this year.

Question: How will owners pay for the battery swap?

Answer: Credit card information will be on file, so the transaction will be quick and seamless.

Question: Will the batteries in the upcoming Model X also have swapping capabilities?

Answer: Yes, the Model S and Model X will have the ability to universally swap batteries.

Question: The batteries are not only connected electrically with the vehicle, but they are liquid cooled. How will that affect the automatic battery swap?

Answer: That was another technological hurdle that needed to be overcome during the engineering process. In the end, a system was designed that allowed the fluid couplings to be disconnected/reconnected without any fluid loss whatsoever.

Question: Will we see third-party battery swap stations in the future?

Answer: Tesla plans on selling the technology to other companies in the future, so there is a good chance of seeing independent stations in various parts of the country.

Question: How was the battery-swap technology developed?

Answer: The process was challenging, as each of the nuts on the battery require precision torque as they are installed, but Tesla was able to take some technology off the assembly floor and mix it with new processes to make the operation smooth and seamless to the customer.
 

TheStu

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I'm really hoping to see some standardization coming soon. For example the Nissan Leaf can charge inductively from a plate you install in your garage floor. But the Tesla cannot. The Tesla can use the suerpchargers, the Leaf cannot.

Can the Rav4 or the evSmart? Those are both using Tesla tech.
 

Kaido

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I'm really hoping to see some standardization coming soon. For example the Nissan Leaf can charge inductively from a plate you install in your garage floor. But the Tesla cannot. The Tesla can use the suerpchargers, the Leaf cannot.

Can the Rav4 or the evSmart? Those are both using Tesla tech.

Yeah I'm curious about that. How do you make a standard charger for something that's evolving so quickly? Tesla is obviously committed to the Supercharger for now, since they're building a truckload of them across the US at half a million a pop, but is something better going to come out on a yearly basis? That will definitely impede the growth of EV's in the consumer market - imagine a grandma buying an electric car only to show up at Barnes & Noble and be told her car isn't compatible with this type of plug? People definitely don't want to deal with that...gas cars work because you can go anywhere and fill up, it's all standardized & easy.

I'm also curious about how safe wireless chargers for cars are. Are you going to get cancer if you idle your car in the garage for too long? There were always the urban legends about living too close to power lines, despite studies (probably funding by the power line companies :biggrin saying otherwise...
 

Kaido

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Interesting bit I didn't know about the Tesla S:

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/facts

Model S rarely needs new brake pads because it is equipped with regenerative braking, which uses the drive inverter to slow the car while recapturing energy.

That's pretty cool. Although there is a $600 annual service fee, which works out to $50 a month:

Owning a Model S is different from gasoline powered vehicles. There&#8217;s no gas required and service is minimal. The annual service fee covers an annual inspection, replacement parts like brake pads and windshield wipers, 24 hour roadside assistance, system monitoring, remote diagnostics, software updates, and new features sent through the 17&#8221; touchscreen.

That sounds high initially, but seems like a pretty fair price if the brakes pads and other replacement parts are included in the price. Perhaps they're saving money on parts direct since they're not going through a dealer network?
 

Kaido

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Let's see if we can get a cost breakdown:

Base Tesla S: $69,900 (minus $7,500 Federal Tax Credit brings it down to $62,400)
Annual Maintenance: $600 per year
Cost to charge per mile: 4.51 cents per mile, based on 2011 Energy Costs
Battery Swap: $60 to $80
Battery Replacement: $10k for 60kWh, $12k for 85kWh (available after 8 years due to warranty)
Insurance: Seems to range between $1000 and $2000 per year, so we'll average it out at $1500 per year or $125 a month

For the car price: With every single single available option selected at checkout, the final price was $119,170 (or $111,670 after $7,500 Federal Tax Credit). So there's an approximately $50,000 price range you can vary between. I'm also guessing that most people would opt for the higher-power wall charger, which runs $2700 with the twin charger system (20kW capable; 62 miles of range per @ 80 amps), plus installation cost (it looks like the average cost is $500, or if you need the 240V service run with a new panel system, $2000 to $3000). So really, your OTD base price with the good charger & installation is going to be around $73,100.

For charging: 4.51 cents per mile is the 2011 CT price; a 206-mile charge on the 60kWh battery would cost about $9.30 and a 265-mile charge on the 85kWh about $12; on the high side of charging it from empty to max every day, your yearly cost on the 85kWh battery would be $4380, which is roughly what I was paying for gas every year ($85 a week in my Volvo = $4420 per year). A quick google says that the average American drives 13,476 per year, so that would be approximately $608 per year. That could go even lower if you use Superchargers and other public/business chargers. You could also erase it completely with a one-time fee for a solar panel installation at your home, such as from Tesla's sister company Solar City.

So let's look at the 8-year TCO (8 years under the stock battery)

1. Base Tesla with installed high-power chargers: $73,100
2. 8 years of annual service: $4800
3. 8 years of charging based on average driving: $4864
4. 8 years of insurance: $12,000

Total: $94,764 TCO for 8 years

There's still other factors (property tax, interior/exterior detailing, any modifications, etc.), but that works out to $11,845.50 per year, $987.13 per month, or $31.85 per day. My typical basic car lease for a Civic was around $250 a month plus up to $400 in gas per month ($640), plus insurance for $80 per month ($720), so that Tesla package would really only work out to an extra $267 a month to go from a gas-powered Civic to a 4.2-second electric-powered Tesla S. That ain't bad! (assuming you could get a 96-month loan on a Tesla lol)

Then for the next 8 years, you buy a new battery at a cost of $12k for the beefed-up 265-mile battery. That works out to $1500 a year, $125 a month, or about $4 per day. Plus maintenance at $600, insurance at $1500, charging at $608 for a total cost of $4208 per year, $350 a month, or $11.31 a day.

Anyway, there are a lot of variables, driving range limitations, battery degradation over time, etc. but it's pretty interesting to see that the TCO is not horribly out of reach if you drive a regular car right now. You'd basically be paying a $267 monthly premium to drive an electric sports car vs. a basic Honda ICE vehicle.
 

TheStu

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Another win for Tesla, this time in North Carolina:

http://jalopnik.com/tesla-scores-another-victory-against-car-dealers-in-nor-600823455

I really can't imagine it being 2013 and having a state block someone from buying an electric car. Especially from buying it in a modern way - online.

Although I'd love to place an order for one on Amazon with free 2-day shipping :awe:

As the plant is in CA, 2 day shipping is an unfeasible promise for at least 1/3 of the country, more like 1/2. /nerd_voice (I know that you were being facetious)
 

Kaido

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It looks like each public charging station will have 50 battery packs on-hand, with more or less depending on measured traffic in the area:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/pikeresearch/2013/06/27/tesla-tries-out-battery-swapping/

A free 30-minute charge gives you 200 miles:

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

Yesterday I was out with my buddy in his Fit EV and we stopped at Panera Bread - someone was already using the one single charger available, so we were stuck. I can see the battery swap being useful in situations like that, if you can't wait. But then, if you can't wait, you probably shouldn't be driving an electric car haha.
 
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