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[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: DonVito
It's Asian, not Oriental.

I'm Oriental or Asian

Rugs are Oriental.

from dictionary.com
ori·ental·ly adv.

Usage Note: Asian is now strongly preferred in place of Oriental for persons native to Asia or descended from an Asian people. The usual objection to Orientalmeaning ?eastern?is that it identifies Asian countries and peoples in terms of their location relative to Europe. However, this objection is not generally made of other Eurocentric terms such as Near and Middle Eastern. The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable.

I don't find the work Oriental offensive. I don't want people to see me as one of those over sensitive races that they have to be tiptoe around. There is nothing offensive about using the word oriental.

It's not "offensive" per say, but just plain ole' wrong. People don't go around calling black people "Africans" or more famously "colored."

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: IonYou

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: Ready
There is nothing offensive about using the word oriental.

:beer: I'm tired of Oriental being a bad word.

Here here! And here's a beer! :beer:

that's like saying I'm tired of "Colored" being a bad word.

Maybe we should go back to calling black people colored?

How about just calling all Asian cultures "Eastern"? Is that offensive?

Don't we generally identify people geographically? Like Yankee, Southerner, Middle Eastern, South African.

No it is not, because it has not followed the same path and usage as the term "oriental". The word oriental was used to define Asia (negatively) as the polar opposite of the West in looks, culture, and ways of thinking. That is why it should only be used for objects, and not people.

i.e. East Asian person, Oriental rug. Not Oriental person, East Asian rug.

Was it East or West that decided that the polar opposite of West was a bad thing?

And if it is SO offensive, wouldn't you want people to call it an Asian rug as well? I mean, as long as we are using the "colored people" example, do you think that blacks would be upset if you called an African rug a nig-rug?

The West decided it was a bad thing. As in "uncivilized" or barbaric. It was typically used in ways to emphasize the domination of the Occident over the Orient.

I'm not opposed to calling them Asian rugs. I just thought that for people it might be better to hold up higher standards than for objects?

Unless Asian people are objects nowadays.

 

[MagicConch]

I honestly think when 'Asians' refer to themselves in terms like that it is amazingly racist to the rest of Asia (and thus very hypocritical). When I went to an Asian' meeting it was clear Indians were not considered Asian, and there was essentially no brotherhood whatsoever. In fact it felt like I was at a Stormfront meeting (nothing outright said, but clearly the ostentatiousness of me appearing at an Asian meeting was amazing to them). I am pretty sure if a Turk went there they would be treated the same. When I was young my best friend was Oriental and I was Indian and we were both Asian . Today I (and 1 billion others apperently) don't get to be Asian b/c calling ourselves Asian is anti-PC. I respect that others want to be called Asian (even if I don't think it's really necessary). But WTF, why am I no longer Asian?

 

[George Powell]

Certainly from my experience in the UK McDonalds staff seem to have less of a grasp of the Queen's English than many foreign visitors.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: MagicConch
I honestly think when 'Asians' refer to themselves in terms like that it is amazingly racist to the rest of Asia (and thus very hypocritical). When I went to an Asian' meeting it was clear Indians were not considered Asian, and there was essentially no brotherhood whatsoever. In fact it felt like I was at a Stormfront meeting (nothing outright said, but clearly the ostentatiousness of me appearing at an Asian meeting was amazing to them). I am pretty sure if a Turk went there they would be treated the same. When I was young my best friend was Oriental and I was Indian and we were both Asian . Today I (and 1 billion others apperently) don't get to be Asian b/c calling ourselves Asian is anti-PC. I respect that others want to be called Asian (even if I don't think it's really necessary). But WTF, why am I no longer Asian?

Personally, I like to be called Indian-American, and most people i know like Chinese-American or whatever. But they would get pissed if someone called them Oriental (or at least be incredulous). I consider South Asian & East Asian acceptable, but I've stopped saying Asian by itself pretty much.

edit: i don't get any sense of pride by being called Asian. Maybe from South Asian, a little.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: IonYou

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: Ready
There is nothing offensive about using the word oriental.

:beer: I'm tired of Oriental being a bad word.

Here here! And here's a beer! :beer:

that's like saying I'm tired of "Colored" being a bad word.

Maybe we should go back to calling black people colored?

I don't personally think there's anything wrong with saying "colored". People only seem to think it's bad because it's the term that was used 60 years ago, as though being old makes it bad. It's like racial terms just go out of style or something. It's the same thing with Oriental. If you look up the word and it's etymology, there is absolutely nothing offensive about it.

http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/livewire/000366.php

That doesn't even explain why "Oriental" should be considered demeaning. It simply shows that some people find it to be so. His music teacher could have said "stop being so Asian and nodding" and it would have been just as offensive.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan
when the hell did Oriental become a bad word? I'm half asian/oriental and I've never heard of it being offensive. It definitely isn't offensive to me. Now you start calling me a go0k, ch1nk, or slant-eyes and we gots some problems.

It's not a bad word... it's just not being used correctly. The way I was taught - "oriental" belonged to objects (like rugs) and not people. You'd use "asian" for the latter.

 

[MagicConch]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
I consider South Asian & East Asian acceptable.

I agree, but many I have met don't consider East Asian appropriate.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: IonYou

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: Ready
There is nothing offensive about using the word oriental.

:beer: I'm tired of Oriental being a bad word.

Here here! And here's a beer! :beer:

that's like saying I'm tired of "Colored" being a bad word.

Maybe we should go back to calling black people colored?

I don't personally think there's anything wrong with saying "colored". People only seem to think it's bad because it's the term that was used 60 years ago, as though being old makes it bad. It's like racial terms just go out of style or something. It's the same thing with Oriental. If you look up the word and it's etymology, there is absolutely nothing offensive about it.

http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/livewire/000366.php

That doesn't even explain why "Oriental" should be considered demeaning. It simply shows that some people find it to be so. His music teacher could have said "stop being so Asian and nodding" and it would have been just as offensive.

read what i wrote after that.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: totalcommand
I consider South Asian & East Asian acceptable.

I agree, but many I have met don't consider East Asian appropriate.

hmm interesting, why?

or do they preferred to be called chinese/japanese, etc.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

Where do you go to school, OP?

 

[Billzie7718]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: IonYou

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: Ready
There is nothing offensive about using the word oriental.

:beer: I'm tired of Oriental being a bad word.

Here here! And here's a beer! :beer:

that's like saying I'm tired of "Colored" being a bad word.

Maybe we should go back to calling black people colored?

How about just calling all Asian cultures "Eastern"? Is that offensive?

Don't we generally identify people geographically? Like Yankee, Southerner, Middle Eastern, South African.

No it is not, because it has not followed the same path and usage as the term "oriental". The word oriental was used to define Asia (negatively) as the polar opposite of the West in looks, culture, and ways of thinking. That is why it should only be used for objects, and not people.

i.e. East Asian person, Oriental rug. Not Oriental person, East Asian rug.

Was it East or West that decided that the polar opposite of West was a bad thing?

And if it is SO offensive, wouldn't you want people to call it an Asian rug as well? I mean, as long as we are using the "colored people" example, do you think that blacks would be upset if you called an African rug a nig-rug?

The West decided it was a bad thing. As in "uncivilized" or barbaric. It was typically used in ways to emphasize the domination of the Occident over the Orient.

I'm not opposed to calling them Asian rugs. I just thought that for people it might be better to hold up higher standards than for objects?

Unless Asian people are objects nowadays.

I just get tired of all the double standards. Why do white people have no names that people need to tip-toe around in order to be PC (cracker and honkey are so funny and obvious that I dont think they count)?

Also, why is it that you can call people black, brown, white, but not yellow?

 

[MagicConch]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
hmm interesting, why?

or do they preferred to be called chinese/japanese, etc.

I have no idea why. The clubs aren't called East Asian ____ though. I have literally had someone pissed at me for calling them East Asian. I don't think anyone I have met objects to be called by their native culture (Chinese, Japanese, etc)

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: IonYou

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: Ready
There is nothing offensive about using the word oriental.

:beer: I'm tired of Oriental being a bad word.

Here here! And here's a beer! :beer:

that's like saying I'm tired of "Colored" being a bad word.

Maybe we should go back to calling black people colored?

How about just calling all Asian cultures "Eastern"? Is that offensive?

Don't we generally identify people geographically? Like Yankee, Southerner, Middle Eastern, South African.

No it is not, because it has not followed the same path and usage as the term "oriental". The word oriental was used to define Asia (negatively) as the polar opposite of the West in looks, culture, and ways of thinking. That is why it should only be used for objects, and not people.

i.e. East Asian person, Oriental rug. Not Oriental person, East Asian rug.

Was it East or West that decided that the polar opposite of West was a bad thing?

And if it is SO offensive, wouldn't you want people to call it an Asian rug as well? I mean, as long as we are using the "colored people" example, do you think that blacks would be upset if you called an African rug a nig-rug?

The West decided it was a bad thing. As in "uncivilized" or barbaric. It was typically used in ways to emphasize the domination of the Occident over the Orient.

I'm not opposed to calling them Asian rugs. I just thought that for people it might be better to hold up higher standards than for objects?

Unless Asian people are objects nowadays.

I just get tired of all the double standards. Why do white people have no names that people need to tip-toe around in order to be PC (cracker and honkey are so funny and obvious that I dont think they count)?

Also, why is it that you can call people black, brown, white, but not yellow?

It's the history of the word that also matters, not just the words themselves. Like I said earlier, otherwise it would be ok to call blacks colored or negro today.

 

[Billzie7718]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: MagicConch
I honestly think when 'Asians' refer to themselves in terms like that it is amazingly racist to the rest of Asia (and thus very hypocritical). When I went to an Asian' meeting it was clear Indians were not considered Asian, and there was essentially no brotherhood whatsoever. In fact it felt like I was at a Stormfront meeting (nothing outright said, but clearly the ostentatiousness of me appearing at an Asian meeting was amazing to them). I am pretty sure if a Turk went there they would be treated the same. When I was young my best friend was Oriental and I was Indian and we were both Asian . Today I (and 1 billion others apperently) don't get to be Asian b/c calling ourselves Asian is anti-PC. I respect that others want to be called Asian (even if I don't think it's really necessary). But WTF, why am I no longer Asian?

Personally, I like to be called Indian-American, and most people i know like Chinese-American or whatever. But they would get pissed if someone called them Oriental (or at least be incredulous). I consider South Asian & East Asian acceptable, but I've stopped saying Asian by itself pretty much.

edit: i don't get any sense of pride by being called Asian. Maybe from South Asian, a little.

You would like to be called that, but in most cases, that is not correct (unless you are a 1st generation imigrant). Indian-American or Chinese-American implies dual citizenship or an imigrant non-citizen. I don't think people that were born here after 5 generations of US citizenship can really be called Chinese-American.

 

[ViviTheMage]

thats really sad..but i know soo many asian peopel who speak english in that exact way and they are very rich, in there 20s-30s. i mean, they are probably smarter then the goofoffs that work at mcdonalds...

im not trying to start a social class feud.

 

[casper114]

Originally posted by: BriGy86
i'd like to through this out there

what about the kids in highschool who are working there as there 1st job

is that so bad?

Well first of all it's throw, and it doesn't matter high school or not it's still wrong and they wouldn't want it done to them.

 

[Chrono]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: DonVito
It's Asian, not Oriental.

I'm Oriental or Asian

Rugs are Oriental.

Guess I have something in common with rugs

You're a dumbass you oriental rug. I think it's because you live in Alabama. You probablywere born there weren't you? Are you able to speak any other languages than, say, english? What race are you then Mr. Oriental rug?

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: MagicConch
I honestly think when 'Asians' refer to themselves in terms like that it is amazingly racist to the rest of Asia (and thus very hypocritical). When I went to an Asian' meeting it was clear Indians were not considered Asian, and there was essentially no brotherhood whatsoever. In fact it felt like I was at a Stormfront meeting (nothing outright said, but clearly the ostentatiousness of me appearing at an Asian meeting was amazing to them). I am pretty sure if a Turk went there they would be treated the same. When I was young my best friend was Oriental and I was Indian and we were both Asian . Today I (and 1 billion others apperently) don't get to be Asian b/c calling ourselves Asian is anti-PC. I respect that others want to be called Asian (even if I don't think it's really necessary). But WTF, why am I no longer Asian?

Personally, I like to be called Indian-American, and most people i know like Chinese-American or whatever. But they would get pissed if someone called them Oriental (or at least be incredulous). I consider South Asian & East Asian acceptable, but I've stopped saying Asian by itself pretty much.

edit: i don't get any sense of pride by being called Asian. Maybe from South Asian, a little.

You would like to be called that, but in most cases, that is not correct (unless you are a 1st generation imigrant). Indian-American or Chinese-American implies dual citizenship or an imigrant non-citizen. I don't think people that were born here after 5 generations of US citizenship can really be called Chinese-American.

what should i be called then?

 

[Billzie7718]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: MagicConch
I honestly think when 'Asians' refer to themselves in terms like that it is amazingly racist to the rest of Asia (and thus very hypocritical). When I went to an Asian' meeting it was clear Indians were not considered Asian, and there was essentially no brotherhood whatsoever. In fact it felt like I was at a Stormfront meeting (nothing outright said, but clearly the ostentatiousness of me appearing at an Asian meeting was amazing to them). I am pretty sure if a Turk went there they would be treated the same. When I was young my best friend was Oriental and I was Indian and we were both Asian . Today I (and 1 billion others apperently) don't get to be Asian b/c calling ourselves Asian is anti-PC. I respect that others want to be called Asian (even if I don't think it's really necessary). But WTF, why am I no longer Asian?

Personally, I like to be called Indian-American, and most people i know like Chinese-American or whatever. But they would get pissed if someone called them Oriental (or at least be incredulous). I consider South Asian & East Asian acceptable, but I've stopped saying Asian by itself pretty much.

edit: i don't get any sense of pride by being called Asian. Maybe from South Asian, a little.

You would like to be called that, but in most cases, that is not correct (unless you are a 1st generation imigrant). Indian-American or Chinese-American implies dual citizenship or an imigrant non-citizen. I don't think people that were born here after 5 generations of US citizenship can really be called Chinese-American.

what should i be called then?

Chinese if you are from China. American if you are from America.

 

[ViviTheMage]

I, personally, dont bash on races...but i also dont go out of my way to learn what they want to be called...like indian - american, or chinease - american. they are just chinease, japanease..or just asian.

also, if you are in america .. LEARN ENGLISH (that is why mexicans get the slave work jobs ,"grillers, custodians, etc", because nobody wants to talk to a spanish speaking minority). If you are an upfront sales person at a work-place....you better know english otherwise GTFO this country.

 

[deepred98]

you guys are really making a big deal out of this 'oriental/asian' thing
i'm chinese and i really don't think it matters that much

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Billzie7718

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: MagicConch
I honestly think when 'Asians' refer to themselves in terms like that it is amazingly racist to the rest of Asia (and thus very hypocritical). When I went to an Asian' meeting it was clear Indians were not considered Asian, and there was essentially no brotherhood whatsoever. In fact it felt like I was at a Stormfront meeting (nothing outright said, but clearly the ostentatiousness of me appearing at an Asian meeting was amazing to them). I am pretty sure if a Turk went there they would be treated the same. When I was young my best friend was Oriental and I was Indian and we were both Asian . Today I (and 1 billion others apperently) don't get to be Asian b/c calling ourselves Asian is anti-PC. I respect that others want to be called Asian (even if I don't think it's really necessary). But WTF, why am I no longer Asian?

Personally, I like to be called Indian-American, and most people i know like Chinese-American or whatever. But they would get pissed if someone called them Oriental (or at least be incredulous). I consider South Asian & East Asian acceptable, but I've stopped saying Asian by itself pretty much.

edit: i don't get any sense of pride by being called Asian. Maybe from South Asian, a little.

You would like to be called that, but in most cases, that is not correct (unless you are a 1st generation imigrant). Indian-American or Chinese-American implies dual citizenship or an imigrant non-citizen. I don't think people that were born here after 5 generations of US citizenship can really be called Chinese-American.

what should i be called then?

Chinese if you are from China. American if you are from America.

I would really love that. Too bad the U.S. census doesn't work that way. I'm "Asian" (not even Asian-American) according to them.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: deepred98
you guys are really making a big deal out of this 'oriental/asian' thing
i'm chinese and i really don't think it matters that much

to each his own. some people think it matters, others don't.

 

[vrbaba]

You go to UIUC?

Sbarro's is better than rice garden