Say goodbye to ISIS: Airstrikes begin in Syria

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Dubya had plans to do that before we ever had 9/11 from some old things I recall.

yea, you might be right, i have no idea, but i do know the number that he did bomb. 4. of course berrie has 2+ more years left. if he plays his cards right he just might double what dubya did. now that would be fuckin ironic.
 

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Another disadvantage in war is that killing people, even killing them by the million, doesn't mean that you win ...

Uno
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Now there is not even any conventional war anymore. No boots on the ground. So no political cost to pay, but all the political advantage to gain by appearing all macho and "strong". There may be the upcoming mid term election factored into this calculus as well, where Democrats are expected to take a beating. They might be thinking they can play the "war on terror" card to their advantage.

Going back to what you said, there is no longer any war to win. Just an endless conflict we are engaged in. Self-perpetuating.
 

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Individuals and political action committees associated with the defense sector contributed more than $27 million to political candidates and committees during the 2012 campaign cycle...


Defense contractors give $27 million dollars to politicians. Then, profit.

Changed the year. Changed the president. Changed the president's political party.

Same war in the middle east. Same profiting by same defense contractors ...

Where is the change with that?

Uno

I tell you where the change is:
Obama banned the importation of foreign ammo into the U.S. via executive order.

Other than that,well..Bush and Obama are in the same club.Billy may not be..
 

unokitty

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Now there is not even any conventional war anymore. No boots on the ground. So no political cost to pay, but all the political advantage to gain by appearing all macho and "strong". There may be the upcoming mid term election factored into this calculus as well, where Democrats are expected to take a beating. They might be thinking they can play the "war on terror" card to their advantage.

Going back to what you said, there is no longer any war to win. Just an endless conflict we are engaged in. Self-perpetuating.


The whole world knows that the US population likely runs out of patience and/or money before the world runs out of time. This is a strategy that Bin Laden referred to as "bleeding the elephant." Also used by the NVA in Vietnam as well as the Japanese 32nd army on Okinawa.

Or, put another way:
... Bin Laden was guided by a coherent long-term strategy to attack America with the aim of provoking U.S. attacks on Muslim countries, where the jihadists could bleed the Americans dry and eventually force them to withdraw, which would leave local pro-American rulers isolated and unprotected by their superpower patron, and which would in turn set off a subsequent chain of revolutionary events that would bend the arc of Arab history in his favor.
You experience may be different. My experience is that in war, doing what your enemy expects is rarely a good tactic.

Uno
 
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z1ggy

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Just a political show of force. ISIS is just another group of people, like Al-Qaeda, etc. Bombing and killing the physical entities does nothing to remove the ideology that will persist regardless of how many bombs are dropped.
 

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U.S. blowing up its own Humvees
The United States is spending millions of dollars to destroy U.S. equipment in Iraq and Syria — gear the U.S. gave the Iraqi military that was later captured by ISIS forces.

The U.S has hit 41 Humvees since attacks began in August, according to data from United States Central Command.

The U.S. is sending $30,000-bombs to eliminate these armored vehicles, which cost about a quarter of a million dollars each depending what it is equipped with, according to Todd Harrison, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

The U.S. Defense Department confirmed the targets to CNN. "In some cases, we have seen instances of ISIL capturing and employing U.S.-made equipment," said a spokesperson. "When we've seen these terrorists employing this equipment, we've sought to eliminate that threat."

Once the U.S. destroys the equipment, it might have to re-supply the Iraqi military.


Step One: US buys new weapons for Iraqis.
Step Two: ISIS takes weapons after Iraqis abandon them.
Step Three: US blows up weapons.
Step Four: Go to Step One.

More evidence that Smedley Butler was right.

War is a racket. Always has been.

Uno
 

Genx87

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Krugman must be wetting his pants at the amount of stimulation this represents. Building then paying to blow up our own equipment?

 

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Just a political show of force. ISIS is just another group of people, like Al-Qaeda, etc. Bombing and killing the physical entities does nothing to remove the ideology that will persist regardless of how many bombs are dropped.
There was no such ideology in Iraq before 2003, when it was invaded and it became a chaotic, lawless state. Yes bombs were dropped in 2003
 

z1ggy

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There was no such ideology in Iraq before 2003, when it was invaded and it became a chaotic, lawless state. Yes bombs were dropped in 2003

Yup and we had to go in there and topple Saddam, and look what that did. We are essentially the reason ISIS is as powerful as it is right now. Gj.
 

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There was this report on BBC that a lot of Syrians are very angry that instead of bombing the butcher Assad, America is actually strengthening him. That new enemies are being created

No doubt, we will be bombing those new enemies a few years from now. And the cycle will continue.
 

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There was this report on BBC that a lot of Syrians are very angry that instead of bombing the butcher Assad, America is actually strengthening him. That new enemies are being created

No doubt, we will be bombing those new enemies a few years from now. And the cycle will continue.



Yes USA is now supporting him.

FLIP FLOP AMERICA. We have flip flopped on arming and fighting in the middle east more than 7 times now.
 

trenchfoot

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I'm definitely investing much more into armament industry offerings. Obama's long term outlook on resolving this threat to our nation is solid gold to me.
 

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U.S. blowing up its own Humvees



Step One: US buys new weapons for Iraqis.
Step Two: ISIS takes weapons after Iraqis abandon them.
Step Three: US blows up weapons.
Step Four: Go to Step One.

More evidence that Smedley Butler was right.

War is a racket. Always has been.

Uno

Does the US actually give Iraq the equipment for free? With their oil income you would think they could pay for it. I know we sell stuff to the other Arab nations.
 

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Does the US actually give Iraq the equipment for free? With their oil income you would think they could pay for it. I know we sell stuff to the other Arab nations.
The Arabs "buy" billions and billions of dollars of arms from the US for their show piece militaries. In return for the favor to corporate America, our govt supports and protects these dictators (there are ofcourse other reasons for the support too) . It is a massive racket. Has been going on for ages

Anybody who knows anything about the Arab lands, know that the local population is barely capable of driving a nail in a wall. So these hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons is just protection money.
 
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Jhhnn

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The Arabs "buy" billions and billions of dollars of arms from the US for their show piece militaries. In return for the favor to corporate America, our govt supports and protects these dictators (there are ofcourse other reasons for the support too) . It is a massive racket. Has been going on for ages

Anybody who knows anything about the Arab lands, know that the local population is barely capable of driving a nail in a wall. So these hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons is just protection money.

That last bit is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this forum, because it's obviously not true.

Just thump your chest tarzan style & chant USA!USA!USA!
 

Jhhnn

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U.S. blowing up its own Humvees



Step One: US buys new weapons for Iraqis.
Step Two: ISIS takes weapons after Iraqis abandon them.
Step Three: US blows up weapons.
Step Four: Go to Step One.

More evidence that Smedley Butler was right.

War is a racket. Always has been.

Uno

Oh, please. The use of captured supplies & equipment is as old as warfare itself. That's part of the reason that storage depots are targeted. They're usually lightly defended during the early phase of battle & entirely lacking the manpower to remove the stuff. People staffing such facilities aren't so much soldiers as clerks.
 
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