Say goodbye to ISIS: Airstrikes begin in Syria

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werepossum

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That made me laugh.

His first command was Swift boat PCF-44, from December 6, 1968 to January 21, 1969, when the crew was disbanded. They were based at Coastal Division 13 at Cat Lo from December 13 to January 6. Otherwise, they were stationed at Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi. On January 30, Kerry took charge of PCF-94 and its crew, which he led until he departed An Thoi on March 26 and the crew was disbanded.

Dec 6 1968 until Jan 21 1969, About a month and a half.

Jan 30 1969 until Mar 26 1969, about a month.

All told 2.5 months. I believe the Swift Boaters...
I too believe the Swift Boaters but that's still "a much more solid war record than Dubya". Dubya's military experience consisted of flying an admittedly dangerous fighter jet in safe areas for a bunch of commanders hoping like hell this idiot didn't insist on going to Vietnam or otherwise kill himself, incurring the wrath of his Congressman father on they who failed to prevent such a calamity. That's perfectly honorable service, but Kerry's was war service. That Kerry was despicable to his brothers in arms after his service should not obscure the fact that he did serve in combat. And as a Navy junior officer, Kerry probably could have done two years in relative comfort and security.
 

bshole

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Uno was the one with the correct diagnosis. It is the only one that makes a lick of sense.

WHEN THE FUCK DO WE GET OFF THIS CRAZY TRAIN? I am in a foam-flecked rage over this. God damn it Obama, you fucking turned on us. Go to hell, you neo-con in sheeps clothing.

Nothing better illustrates the bankruptcy of the Obama administration's foreign policy than funding groups that turn on the U.S. again and again, a neo-con fueled cycle of profits for war makers and destruction of ever-shifting "enemies."

The fact can't be refuted: ISIS was born of Western intervention in Iraq and covert action in Syria.

This Frankenstein-like experiment of arming the alleged freedom-seeking Syrian opposition created the monster that roams the region. ISIS and the U.S. have a curious relationship -- mortal enemies that, at the same time, benefit from some of the same events:
a) Ousting former Iraqi President Nouri al Maliki for his refusal to consent to the continued presence of U.S. troops in his country.
b) Regime change in Syria.
c) Arming the Kurds so they can separate from Iraq, a preliminary move to partitioning Iraq.

What a coincidence for war-profiteering neo-cons and the war industry, which has seen its stock rise since last week's congressional vote to fund the rapid expansion of war. We have met the enemy and he isn't only ISIS, he is us.

Phase two of the war against Syria is the introduction of 5,000 "moderate" mercenaries (as opposed to immoderate ones), who were trained in Saudi Arabia, the hotbed of Wahhabism, at an initial installment cost of $15 billion. These new "moderates" will replace the old "moderates," who became ISIS, just in time for Halloween.

This attack on Syria, under the guise of striking ISIS, is by definition, a war of aggression. It is a violation of international law. It could lead to crimes against humanity and the deaths of untold numbers of innocent civilians. No amount of public relations or smooth talking can change that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/syria-isis-war_b_5869964.html
 
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squarecut1

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WHEN THE FUCK DO WE GET OFF THIS CRAZY TRAIN? I am in a foam-flecked rage over this. God damn it Obama, you fucking turned on us. Go to hell, you neo-con in sheeps clothing.

I know some people who got interested in politics for the first time because of Obama. Supported him with great enthusiasm and idealism. They are very disillusioned now, probably fed up of politics for the rest of their lives. I know such people personally.

As for Obama, he is what he always was. A phony.
 

bradly1101

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It's more than that. ISIS threatens our allies, our reputation, our influence, and yes stopping the humanitarian atrocities should be a concern as well.

This isn't just petty power squabbling either, isolationism only worked before the economy was globalized. The Iraqi forces were getting their asses kicked back to baghdad before ISIS took over, after saying that they had the situation under control (seems to be a pattern with the Iraqi military). Even the Peshmerga were pushed back. If we hadn't started air strikes all of this could have resulted in ISIS owning a significant supply of the world's oil. You really thing that wouldn't hurt? Never mind their message of global jihad would extend across the Pacific sooner or later.

Isolationism worked when international mobility was physically impossible for most and countries were largely self-sufficient. Those days are long over. Ironically the only countries practicing your foreign policy are the 3rd world shit-holes we're bombing.

There are of course advantages of this new war:

#1 We protect our oil supplies. There are lots of countries embroiled in civil wars where one side is 'anti-west,' yet we aren't going all-in there. Why? Oil.

#2 Doing little or nothing when the populace sees beheadings of our journalists would make the commander in chief look weak. He's afraid of what people will think. So we should punish a whole region because of the actions of a few?

#3 War enriches many parties, from defense contractors to law-makers who are supported by them.

There of course are others, but this pacifist sees disadvantages:

#1 We kill and injure many innocents; there's a reason we're not allowed to see the collateral damage we are causing.

#2 We strengthen the hawks, which only makes war more likely in the future (and further anoints Mrs. Clinton).

#3 War enriches many parties, from defense contractors to law-makers who are supported by them.

#4 We can't afford it fiscally or psychologically. All of our actions over there since GWB's time have only sewn instability and greater hatred toward us.

America's prestige is already shot. I don't feel that putting cheap gas in my car is worth all this.
 

boomerang

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I don't feel that putting cheap gas in my car is worth all this.
You should research where we get out oil from and in what percentages. It's a shame to base a whole post on misinformation. Research also has the potential to get you questioning other talking points you've been spoon fed.
 

boomerang

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lol There is a certain delicious irony here. On the other hand, the Dems have mastered the art of doing that which they accuse the Pubbies of wanting to do.
It's worse than that. It boils down to common sense. Dems have a lot of things they want to achieve that are not remotely based in reality. It's rare to have them put forth a plan or a policy that is not centered around laws that preclude it, physics that make it impossible, or that is based on expenditures of money we don't have. But that doesn't stop them from painting Pubbies as troglodytes that want to keep you barefoot and pregnant, keep you from living the American dream and taking away that to which you are entitled. It's what they do and you really have to hand it to them, they do a really remarkable job of it. Their PR ministrations are pretty much second to none. Of course it's been made far easier through the methods they've devised to teach the children of this nation. But I digress.

When their harebrained ideas turn to shit, as the Pubbies and common sense predicted they will, the PR machine cranks up and guess who's to blame for their failures and guess who buys it hook line and sinker? They've created a political machine that is truly admirable.

But there is a major problem with this continual cycle. It siphons money out of a hugely overextended system such that we are unable to accomplish much of anything that would benefit those that government is supposed to help, that being the people. But guess who gets the blame when that is brought up? You guessed it.

We will crash and we will burn unless this cycle is broken. It will first take a majority to understand that we can no longer afford to humor an enormous group of people in this nation that are incapable of thinking with little more than emotion.
 
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squarecut1

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#1 We kill and injure many innocents; there's a reason we're not allowed to see the collateral damage we are causing.

A good percentage of our population does not even care to see that, since they don't consider "them" to be equal human beings. Weird kind of names, brownish skin color, different kind of clothes they wear. To dehumanize the "other" is an age old war tactic. Heck just on this forum alone there are several who are quite comfortable with mass murder of innocents and have said so openly.
 

BoberFett

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WHEN THE FUCK DO WE GET OFF THIS CRAZY TRAIN? I am in a foam-flecked rage over this. God damn it Obama, you fucking turned on us. Go to hell, you neo-con in sheeps clothing.

You're in a foam flecked rage about everything, goatboy.
 

werepossum

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It's worse than that. It boils down to common sense. Dems have a lot of things they want to achieve that are not remotely based in reality. It's rare to have them put forth a plan or a policy that is not centered around laws that preclude it, physics that make it impossible, or that is based on expenditures of money we don't have. But that doesn't stop them from painting Pubbies as troglodytes that want to keep you barefoot and pregnant, keep you from living the American dream and taking away that to which you are entitled. It's what they do and you really have to hand it to them, they do a really remarkable job of it. Their PR ministrations are pretty much second to none. Of course it's been made far easier through the methods they've devised to teach the children of this nation. But I digress.

When their harebrained ideas turn to shit, as the Pubbies and common sense predicted they will, the PR machine cranks up and guess who's to blame for their failures and guess who buys it hook line and sinker? They've created a political machine that is truly admirable.

But there is a major problem with this continual cycle. It siphons money out of a hugely overextended system such that we are unable to accomplish much of anything that would benefit those that government is supposed to help, that being the people. But guess who gets the blame when that is brought up? You guessed it.

We will crash and we will burn unless this cycle is broken. It will first take a majority to understand that we can no longer afford to humor an enormous group of people in this nation that are incapable of thinking with little more than emotion.
I think we'll crash and burn anyway, as a lot of people who vote Republican support their own good entitlements even while decrying others' bad entitlements.

I agree with the rest of that, but it's worth pointing out that lefties also see the right as being highly politically skilled. To an extent, it's just human nature to assume that whatever we support is good and proper, but when people support something different it can only be because they were sold a bill of goods that we're too smart to buy.
 

unokitty

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There of course are others, but this pacifist sees disadvantages:

#1 We kill and injure many innocents; there's a reason we're not allowed to see the collateral damage we are causing...

America's prestige is already shot. I don't feel that putting cheap gas in my car is worth all this.

Another disadvantage in war is that killing people, even killing them by the million, doesn't mean that you win ...

Uno
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US Army 69-71
 
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zinfamous

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Sure there's a good idea.

Hide and let em get stronger and come at ya.

There is probably always going to be a war somewhere, grow up.

Unless Klatuu shows up or something.

Actually, it is our direct involvement in their homeland that creates these groups.

Al Qaeda grew out of long-seated enmity towards our permanent presence in Iraq in the years following Bush 1's little war. Same is true of ISISLISL.
 

BoberFett

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Yes. Some people are just naive and failed to see it. Also, let me just say right now for the record that Rand Paul has also sold out. He is not a true libertarian anymore.

I've never really cared for Rand Paul, he talks a good game, but his record puts him squarely in the Republican camp. Ron Paul - love him or hate him - does what he says he's going to do.
 

schmuckley

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Hmm..I have to wonder why they used $1.5 million-dollar Tomahawks when they could have used $20 thousand-dollar JDAMS and accomplished the same thing.
1 Tomahawk buys a LOT of JDAMS.
It goes back to what uno said.There is no other logical conclusion.
 

pcgeek11

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I too believe the Swift Boaters but that's still "a much more solid war record than Dubya". Dubya's military experience consisted of flying an admittedly dangerous fighter jet in safe areas for a bunch of commanders hoping like hell this idiot didn't insist on going to Vietnam or otherwise kill himself, incurring the wrath of his Congressman father on they who failed to prevent such a calamity. That's perfectly honorable service, but Kerry's was war service. That Kerry was despicable to his brothers in arms after his service should not obscure the fact that he did serve in combat. And as a Navy junior officer, Kerry probably could have done two years in relative comfort and security.


I think Kerry was a Turd and still is. The way he shit on his military brothers after he separated was disgusting and as unforgivable as Jane Fonda's crap.
 
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row

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now that berrie has bombed 7 different countries wonder if is there a Nobel Prize for hoodwinking and bamboozling?

i understand the scandi's being fooled, probably has to do with the cold climate limiting brain functioning, and berries support from his progressive/liberal/leftist/socialist comrades here in the states is based on the their most obvious trait. stupidity. but i wonder what was going thru the other 10 peoples minds who voted for the guy?
 

MongGrel

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Hmm..I have to wonder why they used $1.5 million-dollar Tomahawks when they could have used $20 thousand-dollar JDAMS and accomplished the same thing.
1 Tomahawk buys a LOT of JDAMS.
It goes back to what uno said.There is no other logical conclusion.
Using both, but firing all those TLAMs will increase my Honeywell stock.

Um did I say that, heh.

NM.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ea-from-syrian-border-town-as-isis-closes-in/

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/24/us-aircraft-launch-another-wave-airstrikes-on-isis/
 

MongGrel

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now that berrie has bombed 7 different countries wonder if is there a Nobel Prize for hoodwinking and bamboozling?

i understand the scandi's being fooled, probably has to do with the cold climate limiting brain functioning, and berries support from his progressive/liberal/leftist/socialist comrades here in the states is based on the their most obvious trait. stupidity. but i wonder what was going thru the other 10 peoples minds who voted for the guy?

Dubya had plans to do that before we ever had 9/11 from some old things I recall.

Seems everything is going to what some of those were to be honest.
 

squarecut1

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I've never really cared for Rand Paul, he talks a good game, but his record puts him squarely in the Republican camp. Ron Paul - love him or hate him - does what he says he's going to do.
I dont necessarily agree with Ron Paul on everything, but respect him for the fact that he is perhaps the only guy out there in this huge country who has principles. A huge oddity in this day and age of charlatans all around
 

Nebor

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WHEN THE FUCK DO WE GET OFF THIS CRAZY TRAIN? I am in a foam-flecked rage over this. God damn it Obama, you fucking turned on us. Go to hell, you neo-con in sheeps clothing.
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He either kept or intensified almost all of Bush's policies. And you're surprised by this? The administration has been trying to push us into a war with Syria for a year now. We've known they wanted this, they just needed enough reason to ignore public opinion.
 

lynna

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This ISIS group should be terminated soon because it can really ruin the lives of many people. Their intentions are to malevolent and they deserve to die and terminated because they have killed a lot of people and will continue to aggravate many.
 

unokitty

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Defense contractors have gained steady ever since the ISIS conflict began featuring prominently in the news. These stocks have exceeded the performance of the broader market by a wide margin and some of them have touched all-time highs. Lockheed Martin Corporation (LMT - Analyst Report), General Dynamics Corporation (GD - Analyst Report), Raytheon Company (RTN - Analyst Report) and Northrop Grumman Corporation (NOC - Analyst Report) achieved record highs on Friday.

...the defense industry usually gains during any conflict. This is borne out by the performance of stocks during the first Gulf War as well as the conflict with the Taliban in Afghanistan following the 9/11 attacks.
Individuals and political action committees associated with the defense sector contributed more than $27 million to political candidates and committees during the 2012 campaign cycle...


Defense contractors give $27 million dollars to politicians. Then, profit.

Changed the year. Changed the president. Changed the president's political party.

Same war in the middle east. Same profiting by same defense contractors ...

Where is the change with that?

Uno
 
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