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Dadofamunky

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Impressive encoding gains even without full-out OCing. I can't imagine anything more responsive than what I have now, but I'm sure it's possible.
 
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ed29a

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Adam you never answered the question tho, does it feel faster than the previous rig minus looking at benchmark results.

I call BS. There is no way anyone can tell the difference between a 1366 or 2011 system if both systems have same other components (RAM, SSD, etc...) and have a fresh installation of Windows on them.
 

AdamK47

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I figured something out that was driving me nuts for the past two days. During my overclocking adventures with the 3960X and Asus P9X79 Deluxe I started getting odd behaviors after a while. It seemed like no matter what settings I used the whole system was unstable. I was getting BSODs or the system would just completly shut off. Reverting settings to default from within the BIOS did not work to fix it. What did fix it was updating the BIOS on the board to version 0709. The board came with 06xx (can't remember the exact version). This fixed the problem. I'm now at 4.5GHz at 1.384V with the memory at 2000 with 9-10-9-27-1T timings and 1.60V. It has passed 6 and 1/2 hours of LinX and 1 hour (so far) with Prime95. So I would say that anyone who gets SB-E with an Asus board is to update your BIOS first before you start overclocking.
 

mrjoltcola

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I call BS. There is no way anyone can tell the difference between a 1366 or 2011 system if both systems have same other components (RAM, SSD, etc...) and have a fresh installation of Windows on them.

I can. I write and recompile code all day long, and I can tell you. I know how long every one of my projects takes to build.
 

AdamK47

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That is seriously fast. Thanks very much

Decided to run it again at 4.75GHz before removing the files.

[11:19:15] work: average encoding speed for job is 100.495270 fps
2 minutes 22 seconds

I'll see what it does with F@H later.
 

ed29a

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I can. I write and recompile code all day long, and I can tell you. I know how long every one of my projects takes to build.

You can tell because you base your conclusions on empiric evidence (compile time) vs 'feeling'. The original quote being: does it feel faster than the previous rig minus looking at benchmark results. Keyword here is 'feel'. If you don't look at benchmarks (in your case compile time) there is no way you can tell the difference between two extreme systems.
 

ed29a

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The comment I responded to had no mention of "feel" if you go back and read it.

You quoted me, and I was replying directly to a comment (quoted it too) that was all about the 'feel' faster aspect minus benchmarks.
 

AdamK47

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I knew people would start going there. High end is not part of AnandTech anymore and the brain disconnect as to why people do this often leads down these paths. I often question why I remain here. There are other forums with people that share my affliction.
 

Edrick

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I knew people would start going there. High end is not part of AnandTech anymore and the brain disconnect as to why people do this often leads down these paths. I often question why I remain here. There are other forums with people that share my affliction.

+1

Most everyone here is now on a performance per $ mindset.
 

mrjoltcola

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+2

So far every SB-E thread has, within the first few posts, someone saying "must be nice" or "but WHY???"

This is an "owners" thread, so it is for owners showcasing and discussing builds, IMO. There are other SB-E threads.
 

Edrick

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Jealousy is a large part of it I think. People tend to try and justify why they do not "need" what they cant have.
 
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Makaveli

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I asked that question because someone else did and I just wanted to hear his opinion with some examples of what he was doing that felt faster. I never intended it to start a war or anything like that.

I cannot speak for other in the thread and what they post or feel about the subject.

That being said Adam buying this system and starting to tweak and post will be a good guideline for everyone on this forum. And people should be less worried about the price and more concerned about the tweaking aspect and what other useful pieces of information he may post to educate us all as I don't see alot of people in this forum spending the money to build something this high end.

So show alittle love and less hate folks.

And this post is not point any anyone per say just a general heads up.
 

RussianSensation

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Hey Adam, do you play Arma series? If so, could you bench the new CPU with your GPUs in that game as there have been discussions on our forums that this game is CPU demanding. It would be interesting to see how the Gulftown compares.

Also, can you link up some pics of your CPU @ load to see what temperatures it reaches on the H80 @ 4.5-4.75ghz?

+1

Most everyone here is now on a performance per $ mindset.

Not everyone, but a lot of people are. That's true. A lot of people on this forum have been building computers for a LONG time and as result the value equation may have shifted for them since 10 years ago. For example, in hindsight, was there any difference between buying an Athlon XP1800+ vs. say XP2400+? Nope, both became obsolete just as fast. What about Pentium 4 "C" 2.4 vs. 2.6 vs. 2.8 vs. 3.0ghz? Nope. All of those topped out at around the same 3.2-3.4ghz, also became obsolete equally fast. What about Core 2 Duo E6300/E6400/E6600/E8400? Nope, all of those CPUs also becames equally obsolete despite overclocking to 3.4ghz+. Same can be said for i7 920-960, and will be said of i5 2400/2500k/2600k/2700k, etc.

There is nothing wrong with a person buying a 3960 over 3930 or a 3930 over a 2600k or a 2600k over a Phenom II X4 965. It all depends on their budget, perception of value, income, and what they want out of this hobby, what programs they use, etc.

I think people who buy a $900+ processor aren't necessarily concerned with "value", at least not in a traditional sense. I mean 3930 costs almost half and is only 4% slower or so. So it's obvious right away that 3930 provides more value, but some people just want the best!!

As a side note, I just think with consolization of games and most programs NOT being able to take advantage of more than 4 cores, we are bound to see people on our forums question any value in a 6-core CPU, regardless whether it is sold by AMD or Intel. That's a fair game bth and the person who wants to own the best should expect that. However, someone who wants the best consumer CPU has already made up their mind on getting it, so it really doesn't matter if others think a 2500k is just as good, etc.

I also don't think a person buying a core i3 and overclocking is any less of an enthusiast than someone buying a $1000 Core i7-3960K. They just have different priorities, incomes (all those other points I listed). It's much harder to make an argument for 3960 paired with 2 GPUs to play games only, but what if that person plays games with 3 GPUs and encode video at the same time? Or what if that person wants a 3960 to play Starcraft 2 and just wants the best CPU cuz they can?

It is true of course that people who spend more $ on hardware and do more hardcore overclocking using exotic cooling are more prevalent on other forums such as xtremesystems. That has always been the case though, for as long as I can remember. Our forum I think is less "hardcore" and that can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the user.

I think a lot of people are actually interested in how much faster SB-E is in overclocked states over the older overclocked 980/990X. I think it's fair to say that "feel" wise is pretty subjective when actual performance benchmarks are widely available. In programs where 6 C/12T CPU can be used to its fullest, SB-E smokes 2500k/2600k CPUs. Also, one can clearly see that its faster than an overclocked 980/990X.

Of course there is nothing wrong with getting a 3960K even if the performance difference is only 15% over the 980X. Just don't expect to justify it to the masses.

I don't think you should jump to conclusions that people are jealous automatically. Perhaps, they really want to know how much performance increase is necessary out of a CPU to "feel" the difference daily? Is it 10%? 15%? 20%? 25%< etc. Personally, I'd rather see actual benchmarks rather than go by "feel" since that tends to be pretty subjective.
 
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exar333

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Hey Adam, do you play Arma series? If so, could you bench the new CPU with your GPUs in that game as there have been discussions on our forums that this game is CPU demanding. It would be interesting to see how the Gulftown compares.

Also, can you link up some pics of your CPU @ load to see what temperatures it reaches on the H80 @ 4.5-4.75ghz?



Not everyone, but a lot of people are. That's true. A lot of people have been building computers for a LONG time. For example, in hindsight, looking back, was there any difference between buying an Athlon XP1600+ vs. say XP2000+? Nope, both became obsolete just as fast. What about Pentium 4 "C" 2.4 vs. 2.6 vs. 2.8 vs. 3.0ghz? Nope. All of those topped out at around the same 3.2-3.4ghz, also became obsolete equally fast. What about Core 2 Duo E6300/E6400/E6600/E8400? Nope, all of those CPUs also becames equally obsolete despite overclocking to 3.4ghz+. Same can be said for i7 920-960, and will be said of i5 2400/2500k/2600/2700k, etc.

There is nothing wrong with a person buying a 3960 over 3930 or a 3930 over a 2600k or a 2600k over a Phenom II X4 965. It all depends on their budget, perception of value, income, and what they want out of this hobby, what programs they use, etc.

I think people who buy a $900+ processor aren't necessarily considered with "value", at least not in a traditional sense. I mean 3930 costs almost half and is only 4% slower or so. I just think with consolozation of games and most programs NOT being able to take advantage of more than 4 cores, we are bound to see people question any value in a 6-core CPU, regardless whether it is sold by AMD or Intel. That's a fair game bth. I also don't think a person buying a core i3 and overclocking is any less of an enthusiast than someone buying a $1000 Core i7-3960K. They just have different priorities, incomes (all those other points I listed). Like the argument for buying a 3960 for games only and pairing it with 2 GPUs cannot be made at all, but what if you play games with 3 GPUs and encode video at the same time?

I think a lot of people are actually interested in how much faster SB-E is in overclocked states over the older overclocked 980/990X. I think it's fair to say that "feel" wise is pretty subjective when actual performance benchmarks are widely available. In programs where 6 C/12T CPU can be used to its fullest, SB-E smokes 2500k/2600k CPUs. Also, one can clearly see that its faster than an overclocked 980/990X.

Of course there is nothing wrong with getting a 3960K even if the performance difference is only 15% over the 980X.

I don't think you should jump to conclusions that people are jealous automatically. Perhaps, they really want to know how much performance increase is necessary out of a CPU to "feel" the difference daily? Is it 10%? 15%? 20%? 25%< etc. Personally, I'd rather see actual benchmarks rather than go by "feel" since that tends to be pretty subjective.

Great post!

I could run a SB-E on a poorly-optimized OS and it could feel sluggish. On the other hand, I could do a fresh install on an old A-XP with WinXP and it would feel 'fast'. There are a lot of variables that affect how fast something 'feels'.
 

bryanW1995

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You can tell because you base your conclusions on empiric evidence (compile time) vs 'feeling'. The original quote being: does it feel faster than the previous rig minus looking at benchmark results. Keyword here is 'feel'. If you don't look at benchmarks (in your case compile time) there is no way you can tell the difference between two extreme systems.

I totally get what you mean. When I'm driving a steady 70 mph on the interstate, my Durango feels just as fast as my old m5. Of course, when I try something that gives the m5 an advantage, the m5 probably is a tad bit faster. Too bad I sold it or I'd go do some "market research" to verify, however...
 

ashishmishra

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Just finished with the build last night and did some quick overclocking, this was my first set of settings and they passed 10 rounds of full memory LinX. Probably will try another multiplier to see how lucky I really got.

 
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Arkaign

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I apologize if this has already been answered.

I was looking at the power usage on various sites regarding SB-E Desktop 6-core CPUs, and have a theory :

It is known that this is actually an 8-core die, with two of the cores being disabled for these first two SB-E models. I wonder if they haven't been cut out of the power distribution, and although not accessible in any real way, are still using power. IIRC this is similar to the Athlon II 631, based on the Llano die, but with the GPU inaccessible. The AII 631 still has the same TDP ratings and power usage to Llano AFAIK.

It really comes down to :

(1)- The 3930 and 3960 are still using power for the two 'off' cores. Which means that the 8-core products will have similar numbers to the current products, almost no difference.

or

(2)- The 3930 and 3960 are not using any power at all for the 'off' cores. Which means that the 8-core products will have 33(?)% higher power usage than the 6-core product. This seems unlikely to me.

Bumping my question as I never got a reply.

Cliffs : SB-E with two cores disabled (from 8 to 6), does/will it use the same power as the ones with all 8 cores enabled (Xeon only?)
 

AdamK47

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Bumping my question as I never got a reply.

Cliffs : SB-E with two cores disabled (from 8 to 6), does/will it use the same power as the ones with all 8 cores enabled (Xeon only?)

I'm kinda curious too. The 3960X does run cooler than my 980X using the same 32nm process, so I would think the other two cores are not powered.
 

AdamK47

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Just finished with the build last night and did some quick overclocking, this was my first set of settings and they passed 10 rounds of full memory LinX. Probably will try another multiplier to see how lucky I really got.


I see you're using the P9X79 Deluxe as well. Asus released a BIOS update today. Version 0802. I highly highly suggest updating if you are still on the original BIOS that came with the board. See one of my replies above for reasons why.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...d=1&model=P9X79+DELUXE&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

I'll be trying it out later.
 
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