SBC DSL new (and faster) upload speeds. Coming late October.

[rectifire]

Don't think anybody has reported this yet. If so, I'll delete.

Ripped from DSLreports.com forums:

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This is coming directly from several SBC support techs that have been helping people with their SBC DSL on the DSLReports forums for quite some time. I see no reason to doubt any of what they are saying.

Upload speeds are increasing starting October for new and existing SBC DSL customers. Upload speeds to become rate adaptive, with higher upload speed caps than before. For those of you who do not know, rate adaptive means that your upload sync speed will automatically be adjusted to the highest speed your DSL line will support, up to the new speed cap. For example, most lower priced SBC DSL packages currently have an upload speed cap of 128kbps. This speed cap will increase to 256kbps IF your DSL line will support the higher upload speed. If your line will not support a 256kbps upload sync speed, you will still be stuck at 128Kbps upload.
I believe pricing is to stay the same. No action is required for existing SBC DSL customers. Good deal for those looking for broadband or already have SBC DSL.



SBC Advanced Solutions, Inc. (SBC ASI) announces that it will be enhancing and consolidating its DSL Transport products to maximize upstream bandwidth and to simplify the DSL Transport speed-tiers. Effective October 25, 2003, for new connect orders, SBC ASI?s DSL Transport products will be enhanced and consolidated as follows:

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192 - 384Kbps X 128 - 256Kbps
192 - 1536Kbps X 128 - 256Kbps
384 ? 1536Kbps X 128 - 256Kbps
768 ? 1536Kbps X 256 - 384Kbps
384 - 416Kbps X 384 ? 416Kbps
1536 ? 4000Kbps X 384 - 416Kbps
4000 - 6000Kbps X 384 - 608Kbps
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Migration of Existing Circuits
Existing DSL circuits provisioned via Central Office (CO) DSLAM will be migrated to the enhanced/consolidated products. Migration plans for circuits provisioned via a Remote Terminal (RT) will be determined at a later date. Migrations will be done in bulk; SBC ASI will not accept requests to migrate specific end-users prior to the completion of the bulk migrations. SBC ASI does not anticipate any end user downtime associated with these migrations.

SBC ASI plans to begin migrating the existing circuits to the enhanced speed profiles beginning on or before October 25, 2003. The number of circuits in this set of migrations is very large, and SBC ASI expects to complete these migrations by the end of 2Q-04. SBC ASI will communicate further details regarding the product and profile migrations as additional information becomes available.

 

[dafury]

This is rate-adaptive? DOes that imply load balancing? Ala, my kazaa downloads will be faster, but only if i'm not uploading concurrently?

 

[Chucko]

Do you have a link to this?

 

[rasputinj]

Cool I guess I will hold off on paying for more upload speed and see if mine increases by the end of the year..

 

[DavidTan]

cool, I been with sbc for 5 years now!

 

[Caveman2001]

That's funny, I just canceled my current SBC account because I wanted to go with a different ISP. However, the ISP I'm going to gives me DSL through SBC's equipment, so I'm assuming I'll get the higher speed if it's available to me regardless.

 

[Chain777]

Originally posted by: Chucko
Do you have a link to this?

Check his post...there's a link. You may need to register to the site to view it.

 

[iluvdeal]

Originally posted by: dafury
This is rate-adaptive? DOes that imply load balancing? Ala, my kazaa downloads will be faster, but only if i'm not uploading concurrently?

If I max out my upload bandwidth my download rate decreases tremendously. It has been like that since day 1, I have SBC DSL.

 

[rectifire]

Originally posted by: iluvdeal

If I max out my upload bandwidth my download rate decreases tremendously. It has been like that since day 1, I have SBC DSL.

This is a basic principle behind how TCP/IP works, not any specific DSL problem. If you max out the upstream bandwidth of ANY connection (cable, DSL, T1, etc.), acknowlegement packets cannot get back to the server fast enough to maintain full downstream speed from that server. You are essentially choking your downstream connection by maxing out your upload bandwidth.

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

That's funny, I just canceled my current SBC account because I wanted to go with a different ISP. However, the ISP I'm going to gives me DSL through SBC's equipment, so I'm assuming I'll get the higher speed if it's available to me regardless.

Unfortunately, you cannot assume that you will just get the higher speeds if your specific ISP is not SBC (even though your ISP uses SBC's phone line and equipment.) Each ISP's customer speed profiles are programmed into the DSLAM independently of any other ISP's, since multiple ISP's use the same DSLAM. Only if your specific ISP decides to raise your speed at the DSLAM, will you get increased speeds.

 

[Gunbuster]

iluvdeal: when you upload at max you leave no "room" for sending ACK packets back to the server you are downloading from

rate-adaptive means if you cant do the higher speed at a standard of quality set by sbc you get locked down at the slower speed

 

[pxc]

Sweet. Looks like my 128Kbps upload speed may double.

 

[DavidTan]

yea mine going to 384.

 

[ingenue007]

I don't understand that chart! DSL speed tests show my upload as 124. What will it go to when the changes occur?

 

[Caveman2001]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

That's funny, I just canceled my current SBC account because I wanted to go with a different ISP. However, the ISP I'm going to gives me DSL through SBC's equipment, so I'm assuming I'll get the higher speed if it's available to me regardless.

Unfortunately, you cannot assume that you will just get the higher speeds if your specific ISP is not SBC (even though your ISP uses SBC's phone line and equipment.) Each ISP's customer speed profiles are programmed into the DSLAM independently of any other ISP's, since multiple ISP's use the same DSLAM. Only if your specific ISP decides to raise your speed at the DSLAM, will you get increased speeds.

Actually dude, you're completely wrong. I read further into the thread at dsl reports and confirmed my own assumption. If you look into the thread the SBC support people responded to the same inquiry I had and stated that ALL customers INCLUDING those through different ISP's will get the increase as long as you're going through ASI's equipment. My connection works through ASI's equipment.


Here's the quote from CCCMtech one of SBC's support people on the forum:

Re: Speed Packages will be changing!

said by CarbonCopy :
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Does this apply to non-SBC ISPs too? Will ASI migrate the circuits for customers of non-SBC ISPs automatically?

Some non-SBC ISPs have been re-selling a 384-768/128 package. What will that get migrated to?
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All ISPs that use ASI will use the new packages. Packages will migrate to ones with the same minimum package EXCEPT the up to 1.5 package which will goto the 384 to 1.5 package.

So, now I can get the service I want including the extra bandwidth.

 

[weepul]

wow. is this package available for the yahoo sbc deal for $30/month?

for $40/month, i'd go with cyberonics instead. they ahve 1500down and 768up.

//krunk (^_^x)

 

[rectifire]

Caveman2001:

I stand corrected. I guess I did not read far enough into the post. I apologize for the misinfo.

However, that's even better news for you and everyone else who gets their connection through another ISP.

 

[schuang74]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

That's funny, I just canceled my current SBC account because I wanted to go with a different ISP. However, the ISP I'm going to gives me DSL through SBC's equipment, so I'm assuming I'll get the higher speed if it's available to me regardless.

Unfortunately, you cannot assume that you will just get the higher speeds if your specific ISP is not SBC (even though your ISP uses SBC's phone line and equipment.) Each ISP's customer speed profiles are programmed into the DSLAM independently of any other ISP's, since multiple ISP's use the same DSLAM. Only if your specific ISP decides to raise your speed at the DSLAM, will you get increased speeds.

Actually dude, you're completely wrong. I read further into the thread at dsl reports and confirmed my own assumption. If you look into the thread the SBC support people responded to the same inquiry I had and stated that ALL customers INCLUDING those through different ISP's will get the increase as long as you're going through ASI's equipment. My connection works through ASI's equipment.


Here's the quote from CCCMtech one of SBC's support people on the forum:

Re: Speed Packages will be changing!

said by CarbonCopy :
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Does this apply to non-SBC ISPs too? Will ASI migrate the circuits for customers of non-SBC ISPs automatically?

Some non-SBC ISPs have been re-selling a 384-768/128 package. What will that get migrated to?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All ISPs that use ASI will use the new packages. Packages will migrate to ones with the same minimum package EXCEPT the up to 1.5 package which will goto the 384 to 1.5 package.

So, now I can get the service I want including the extra bandwidth.

Just to add some more information here. ASI is a division of SBC, not a brand of hardware or a separate company. So "All ISPs that use ASI" are ISP's that lease SBC equipment. ISP's don't actually use ASI, SBC uses ASI to provide support to all DSL customers who use SBC lines (regardless of ISP). ASI just manages the hardware and support side of SBC's DSL service. So those "SBC DSL technicians" are ASI field techs. As far as where this information comes from? I work for SBC.

As for the rumors of the speed cap increases. I can't confirm any of it however I wouldn't be suprised if it happend. Given that SBC is really trying to sway cable customers away and grow their market share, it would make sense to make the move. Usually we get notification of the service changes several weeks before the general public, but given that I usually have to root through 50+ work related E-mails a day, the generic corporate stuff usually gets the back seat. Anyhow Ill confirm the changes when i hear about them.

 

[yukichigai]

Sweet, I just got their 768/256 a month and some ago because I wanted something speedy with nice upload. Looks like I could have gone lower, but hey, more the merrier. Most likely I'll be getting the 384 upload, since I already get 1.24 down from my DSL anyway. (Definitely worth my money)

 

[ams30gts]

im running at 1500/128. a few months back i signed up for another contract, instead of getting the $10 off per month i tried to get the 256k upload speed. the CSR said that i lived too far and the computer wouldnt even let he try and do it for me.

hopefully i get some good news and it gets bumped somehow

 

[dennisja]

Originally posted by: rectifire
Caveman2001:

I stand corrected. I guess I did not read far enough into the post. I apologize for the misinfo.

However, that's even better news for you and everyone else who gets their connection through another ISP.

Actually, Both of you may be right. What ASI does is provide an ATM link at a specfic rate to the ISP Internet Router. ie 1536/128 etc.. But what the thoughput is at the router is up to the ISP. I see many accounts that are reading 1536K speeds on the meter but only surf at 384K. I know that SBCIS does not limit upload speeds just the Download cannot say that about other ISP's.

 

[Naruto]

Nice, I currently have 1.5k/128k, but only getting 1.19k/130k. I host many warcraft 3 games online and the 128k sucks. Anyone know the distance limit to get 256k uploads, I am not sure if i live close enough to get it.

 

[dennisja]

Originally posted by: Naruto
Nice, I currently have 1.5k/128k, but only getting 1.19k/130k. I host many warcraft 3 games online and the 128k sucks. Anyone know the distance limit to get 256k uploads, I am not sure if i live close enough to get it.

No problem upload speeds are not affected by distance issues only the download.

 

[Caveman2001]

Originally posted by: dennisja

Originally posted by: Naruto
Nice, I currently have 1.5k/128k, but only getting 1.19k/130k. I host many warcraft 3 games online and the 128k sucks. Anyone know the distance limit to get 256k uploads, I am not sure if i live close enough to get it.

No problem upload speeds are not affected by distance issues only the download.

That is simply not true. I tried to get 256k up a while back, and the CSR's on two different occasions said its not possible because I was not within 9000 feet of the CO. Your upload is just as susceptible to line degradation as the download.

 

[pxc]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001
That is simply not true. I tried to get 256k up a while back, and the CSR's on two different occasions said its not possible because I was not within 9000 feet of the CO. Your upload is just as susceptible to line degradation as the download.

The upload speed isn't as susceptible to degradation from distance from telco as download speed because it occupies the lower end of the allocated bandwidth. The bandwidth is split as: [voice][----upload----][---//--download--//---].

The further the customer is from the telco, the more the upper bound degrades, that's why less download bandwidth is available with further distance. Your telco probably can't provide 256Kbps upload with your distance, but saying "your upload is just as susceptible to line degradation as the download" just isn't true. It's 2 separate problems and download bandwidth is much more susceptible to degradation than upload bandwidth with distance.

 

[Caveman2001]

My point was that distance effects upload as well, which it does.