SBC DSL new (and faster) upload speeds. Coming late October.

[dennisja]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

Originally posted by: dennisja

Originally posted by: Naruto
Nice, I currently have 1.5k/128k, but only getting 1.19k/130k. I host many warcraft 3 games online and the 128k sucks. Anyone know the distance limit to get 256k uploads, I am not sure if i live close enough to get it.

No problem upload speeds are not affected by distance issues only the download.

That is simply not true. I tried to get 256k up a while back, and the CSR's on two different occasions said its not possible because I was not within 9000 feet of the CO. Your upload is just as susceptible to line degradation as the download.

The reason you could not get the 256 upload is not an issue with the line capability of the upstream bandwidth it was an account issue. 256k upload is only available on Deluxe DSL packages that require the ability to get a minimum of 768 download speeds. SBC has chosen to set a distance limit in order to recieve the Deluxe PKG. That is the reason they said you could not get the 256K upload.

 

[Caveman2001]

Originally posted by: dennisja

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

Originally posted by: dennisja

Originally posted by: Naruto
Nice, I currently have 1.5k/128k, but only getting 1.19k/130k. I host many warcraft 3 games online and the 128k sucks. Anyone know the distance limit to get 256k uploads, I am not sure if i live close enough to get it.

No problem upload speeds are not affected by distance issues only the download.

That is simply not true. I tried to get 256k up a while back, and the CSR's on two different occasions said its not possible because I was not within 9000 feet of the CO. Your upload is just as susceptible to line degradation as the download.

The reason you could not get the 256 upload is not an issue with the line capability of the upstream bandwidth it was an account issue. 256k upload is only available on Deluxe DSL packages that require the ability to get a minimum of 768 download speeds. SBC has chosen to set a distance limit in order to recieve the Deluxe PKG. That is the reason they said you could not get the 256K upload.

Geez, not true again!

I couldn't get the package because they said I was TOO FAR AWAY. It's not that difficult to understand. The farther you are from the CO or RT the less bandwidth you will receive.

 

[dennisja]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

Originally posted by: dennisja

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

Originally posted by: dennisja

Originally posted by: Naruto
Nice, I currently have 1.5k/128k, but only getting 1.19k/130k. I host many warcraft 3 games online and the 128k sucks. Anyone know the distance limit to get 256k uploads, I am not sure if i live close enough to get it.

No problem upload speeds are not affected by distance issues only the download.

That is simply not true. I tried to get 256k up a while back, and the CSR's on two different occasions said its not possible because I was not within 9000 feet of the CO. Your upload is just as susceptible to line degradation as the download.

The reason you could not get the 256 upload is not an issue with the line capability of the upstream bandwidth it was an account issue. 256k upload is only available on Deluxe DSL packages that require the ability to get a minimum of 768 download speeds. SBC has chosen to set a distance limit in order to recieve the Deluxe PKG. That is the reason they said you could not get the 256K upload.

Geez, not true again!

I couldn't get the package because they said I was TOO FAR AWAY. It's not that difficult to understand. The farther you are from the CO or RT the less bandwidth you will receive.

You obvious have trouble reading, I may original post I stated SBC sets a 9000 Ft limit on the Deluxe PKG because they are Guaranteeing a minimum of 768K downstream. That is the reason they said you could not get the 256K upload. It was not that 256K was not possible on the upstream. The fact is I see many 192K profiled lines with the capability to get 256K upstream. True distance from the CO does degrade the upstream numbers but not to the extent it does to the downstream.

 

[Caveman2001]

You obvious have trouble reading, I may original post I stated SBC sets a 9000 Ft limit on the Deluxe PKG because they are Guaranteeing a minimum of 768K downstream. That is the reason they said you could not get the 256K upload. It was not that 256K was not possible on the upstream. The fact is I see many 192K profiled lines with the capability to get 256K upstream. True distance from the CO does degrade the upstream numbers but not to the extent it does to the downstream.

You obviously have trouble spelling and forming complete sentences.

I think its fair to say that the 9k limit you're talking about is BECAUSE ITS TOO FAR AWAY. So, in fact, they know that they can't gurantee the bandwidth on the deluxe package because in most cases its not possible to get the bandwidth due to line degradation.

Here's a quote from you:

The reason you could not get the 256 upload is not an issue with the line capability of the upstream bandwidth it was an account issue.

You are wrong. It IS an issue with line capability due to distance. They can't sell you a package they can't provide because of distance limitations.

 

[dennisja]

You are wrong. It IS an issue with line capability due to distance. They can't sell you a package they can't provide because of distance limitations.

Okay, I guess it is time to give you my Credentials, I work for SBC and have been doing DSL going on 5 years now. Again, when it comes to upstream I can guarantee 256K all the way out to a 192K profile which is the lowest the SBC offers. The reason they will not offer the 256K upload to anyone over 9000 Ft is due to the limitations of the download stream bandwidth not the lines inability to provide upstream bandwidth. SBC created the 768 to 1536/256K GOLD pkg for people who wanted faster uploads and at that time they put a 9000 Ft limit from the CO as the cutoff distance in the ordering systems. This was a distance chosen as a worse case Scenario because SBC was guaranteeing the 768K download. In reality I see customers as far as 18000 FT from the CO with 768 Profiles but SBC chose to be conservative. Just because the order system will not allow you to order it does not mean it will not work. The original post states 192/128 will go up to 192/256 and all I was stating is that it is phyiscally possible for SBC to increase the upstream to 256K even if the downstream is only 192K because of the dynamics of DSL. ie bit rates degrading in higher frequences before the lower frequences. (upstream is in the lower band of DSL frequences)

 

[Caveman2001]

What you're saying sounds logical and I'm not trying to argue with you but the CSR's told me otherwise. Of course, I'm not one to believe most CSR's there because of past experiences, but they gave me their logic and it sounded legit as well.

The thing about my line is that I get consistantly 1234/135 speeds, so based on what you're saying there should be no reason why they couldn't have put me to the gold package to begin with. I get over the 768 down minimum.

Anyway, I'm switching ISP's and will be back up soon enough and I'll have the new ISP do some line tests for me to confirm what I'm truly capable of receiving.

I really want the extra upload though.

 

[DavidTan]

man all you have to do is divided it by 8 ex. 1500/8 = 140-180 kb actual speed you are downloading. Just go to dslreports.com and read about it. Same for upload 128/8 - 12-16 kb actual uploading speed you are getting. I'm on a 1500/256 plan - I get 152kb steady and 30kb upload!

 

[ams30gts]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

Originally posted by: dennisja

Originally posted by: Naruto
Nice, I currently have 1.5k/128k, but only getting 1.19k/130k. I host many warcraft 3 games online and the 128k sucks. Anyone know the distance limit to get 256k uploads, I am not sure if i live close enough to get it.

No problem upload speeds are not affected by distance issues only the download.

That is simply not true. I tried to get 256k up a while back, and the CSR's on two different occasions said its not possible because I was not within 9000 feet of the CO. Your upload is just as susceptible to line degradation as the download.

the CSR told me exactly the same thing

 

[keyboardcaper]

so they are pretty much "traffic shaping" either way, dsl has "always" been like that, if you dont download your upload is better ill take my coax cable line over old copper last mile anyday

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: keyboardcaper
so they are pretty much "traffic shaping" either way, dsl has "always" been like that, if you dont download your upload is better ill take my coax cable line over old copper last mile anyday

cable people are soo funny. my sister supposedly has the faster upload/download with cableone, she's supposed to have 3.0 down/256 up....she actually maxes out at 768 down/ 64 up(no matter what time of day it is) she pays $10 more a month, and I acutally get the 1.5 down/128 up for my $30 a month. and I have far less to worry about in the way of security as dsl is essentialy baseband and doesn't carry multiple users on the same trunk.(since it doesn't have a trunk) I veiw cable access as a last resort for those too far away(distance wise) from a carrier to get dsl. I've only seen one pc on cable access faster than my dsl, it was the day roadrunner started in waco, the lady had a verified 6mb up and down, for about a week before more users got on the trunk, and the cable company capped the maxes. I can't wait for the upgrade to take place on my sbc accout, maybe It'll be enough to play bf1942 against folks in england, with a ping low enough to be able to snipe a little better.

 

[Caveman2001]

Ahh, so you're one of those pesky snipers that just sits around picking off guys trying to get a flag point. I love fragging guys like you.

 

[BrazilianBoy]

I like the speeds and all. But I still don't understand (and I even consider as a SCAM) the fact that I cannot have DSL without having SBC as my telco. So the price of SBC DSL is not $29.99. It's actually close to 60. My phone bills have never been lower than 30 bucks. And I NEVER use it... (thanks to all the good deals from Sprint )

What do you guys think? Is it really a hot deal? SBC advertises.... DSL for ONLY $29.99. And honestly, I have not seen the small prints. You find out when you call them....

 

[pukemon]

Originally posted by: BrazilianBoy
I like the speeds and all. But I still don't understand (and I even consider as a SCAM) the fact that I cannot have DSL without having SBC as my telco. So the price of SBC DSL is not $29.99. It's actually close to 60. My phone bills have never been lower than 30 bucks. And I NEVER use it... (thanks to all the good deals from Sprint )

What do you guys think? Is it really a hot deal? SBC advertises.... DSL for ONLY $29.99. And honestly, I have not seen the small prints. You find out when you call them....

The reasoning is that SBC owns the infrastructure, they'd rather have you as a direct customer than you go through some third party who's going through SBC anyway.

BTW if you get a barebones local-calls only phone line with no extras, it's $13 before taxes, surcharges, and fees. They don't actively advertise this though. If you're not going to use your line for anything other than having a DSL line, then go this route. They will try to sell you the "Phone Package" which includes all the bells and whistles, but if you don't need it, don't get it. They'll also try to sell you Cingular wireless, say you're in a plan under contract, (you most likely are already if you have a cell phone)

So it ends up as $30 + $13 = $43 plus probably another $10 on top for fees so, say its around $53 a month for phone and dsl. It's really not that bad.

Other areas might be better, but in St. Louis, Charter Communications SUCKS! It might be because we're generally Charter's guinea pigs and were their first large metropolitan area, but man we seem to get shafted really bad. So no more Charter for me. I'm just bitter that after Charter bought United Video Cablevision way back when, the quality of service went down the toilet, and the prices skyrocketed. So much for $19.95 Basic extended cable.. grrrrr..... now $44.95.

 

[chmike]

Great -0

now if only SBC would finish putting in their neighborhood POP's so I could even get DSL I'd be happy.:frown:

Too far, though I am still considering piggybacking off a relative who's 1800' away via wireless.

 

[ams30gts]

Originally posted by: BrazilianBoy
I like the speeds and all. But I still don't understand (and I even consider as a SCAM) the fact that I cannot have DSL without having SBC as my telco. So the price of SBC DSL is not $29.99. It's actually close to 60. My phone bills have never been lower than 30 bucks. And I NEVER use it... (thanks to all the good deals from Sprint )

What do you guys think? Is it really a hot deal? SBC advertises.... DSL for ONLY $29.99. And honestly, I have not seen the small prints. You find out when you call them....

im more than happy with my dsl for $30 per month. i get 155 kb/s down and 16 kb/s upload

 

[Naruto]

Do you think my line is capable of receiving this? I currently am on the standard plus package : 384 to 1500kbps down/ 128kb up, but using dslreports I actually get 1190Kb down/130Kb up.

 

[iluvdeal]

Those are good speeds. No one actually gets 1500kbps down sorta like how no one ever really got 56k. Your upload looks to be capped at 160 not 128 since you are getting 130.

 

[ams30gts]

when DLing off irc etc, i get 155kb/s down.

 

[rasputinj]

Originally posted by: Naruto
Do you think my line is capable of receiving this? I currently am on the standard plus package : 384 to 1500kbps down/ 128kb up, but using dslreports I actually get 1190Kb down/130Kb up.

Looks like you are on a Remote Terminal, that is connected to the Central office, with those upload speeds, go to DSL reports and use some of their tools to see if you can up the download to around 1200+, the rest is the overhead of TCP/IP. I am also on a RT, you should be able to get the most upload speed considering your current upload/download speed.

 

[macssuck]

dennisja


I live 20,200 feet from the CO. SBC is offering me the 384/128 package. Do you think I will actually see 384 at that distance?

 

[unclebud]

not that the link below has anything to do with sbc
cnet
just that threads like these invite discussion, and this IS a relatively new article...
thanks for the space!

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001
Ahh, so you're one of those pesky snipers that just sits around picking off guys trying to get a flag point. I love fragging guys like you.

I don't sit around, a good sniper moves to different vantage points. it sure is funny when someone starts whining about those "cheat" 1000yard shots though....especially when they keep going to the same place over, and over again.

when you go to those bandwidth measuring sites, don't forget distance and overhead, not to mention how much available bandwidth they might have. I've never seen a measuring site that was accurate to any close degree, but they do give you a rough estimate.

 

[Cooljt1]

right now i am getting 1227/136 and am on the 1.5mbps/128

how is my upload 136 then? i ran it a few times and kept getting 136. hopefully it will increase to 256 or so after they update.

 

[winr]

Hi macssuck, winr here.
I used to be 19, 580 feet away with SBC (had 1500/128) (they had to do to lower something on my line to make it work) and I was getting Around 640 down and 98 up.
When I moved within 17,000 feet they said wouldnt give me service saying they lowered their minimum to 15,000 feet.

 

[ams30gts]

when i 1st signed up 3 years ago, they gave me 768/128. and i am 11930 ft from the CO. i had to have a tech support guy uncap my line to 1500/128. now hopefully i can get the 256k upload. that would make it soo much better