School cop body-slams 6th grade girl to floor

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1prophet

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It seems like it should be policy that unless a child is a danger to himself/herself or others, adults shouldn't be touching them. Being defiant doesn't warrant a physical altercation not matter how disrupting it is to the class.


The world must be made to suffer while the precious snowflakes express themselves, and you can thank the parents when all is said and done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojWJ6-XmeQ
 

KMFJD

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Aug 11, 2005
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For such a dangerous profession, it sure does attract a lot cowards.
 

Capt Caveman

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she was resisting and kicked him in the nads. good shoot, er, i mean slam.

No kicking in the nads seen. Officer was not justified at all in slamming the kid even if she was resisting. Easier to just turn around and just drag her.

Coming from someone too scared to call the police when someone is blocking their driveway with their car is funny.
 

PokerGuy

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Call their parents. Move the class. The class is what, an hour long. They can deal with a loss of an hour. How much of distraction has this now become for the school? Not including lost time and money.

Call the parents? Why? How do you know that situation won't get even worse? How do you know you can even reach the parents, or that the parents will be able to get to school within a few minutes?

This hasn't become a distraction for the school at all, the school did nothing wrong. I don't know if the officer applied too much force or unnecessary force (I don't know without the details), but the school did absolutely the right thing. Having one of the teachers or school administrators physically restraining / fighting the student is an absolute no-no for many reasons, so calling the cops to deal with a student that simply refuses to comply is the right thing to do.

The idea that precious snowflakes can't be touched for any reason when they refuse to do what they have to do is absurd. They are no different than any other citizen. If you are given a lawful order by an officer you can either comply or be physically forced to comply. That's even more important in school because it's supposed to be a safe learning environment for the students, and such disruption impacts other students.

Physical force should never be the first resort, but it absolutely has its place.

The issue here isn't whether force should have been used, the issue appears to be how much force was used.
 

TheSiege

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Call the parents? Why? How do you know that situation won't get even worse? How do you know you can even reach the parents, or that the parents will be able to get to school within a few minutes?

This hasn't become a distraction for the school at all, the school did nothing wrong. I don't know if the officer applied too much force or unnecessary force (I don't know without the details), but the school did absolutely the right thing. Having one of the teachers or school administrators physically restraining / fighting the student is an absolute no-no for many reasons, so calling the cops to deal with a student that simply refuses to comply is the right thing to do.

The idea that precious snowflakes can't be touched for any reason when they refuse to do what they have to do is absurd. They are no different than any other citizen. If you are given a lawful order by an officer you can either comply or be physically forced to comply. That's even more important in school because it's supposed to be a safe learning environment for the students, and such disruption impacts other students.

Physical force should never be the first resort, but it absolutely has its place.

The issue here isn't whether force should have been used, the issue appears to be how much force was used.

I stand by my statement, there is no need to lay hands on a child unless the danger is eminent. In a perfect world all kids would have great parents that taught them manners and respect. But its not a perfect world and children shouldn't be attacked by adults.
 

VtPC83

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Call their parents. Move the class. The class is what, an hour long. They can deal with a loss of an hour. How much of distraction has this now become for the school? Not including lost time and money.

It is clear you have no concept of what goes on in schools these days. What teachers have to contend with in regards to students.

Call the parents? HAH, half the time the parents don't care and are the reason the kids are this way. To them School is a daycare.

Move the class? You seriously offering to move the class because 1 child is causing this problem? What are you teaching the child causing the problem and what are you teaching the other kids suffering from it?

This is about the worst thing you can do in this case. If it means body slamming some kid who is being an absolute punk rather than teaching a classroom full of kids that they can do what they want and others will adjust I'd rather take the body slam.

My god, some people in this forum. No concept of the real world at all. Just want it to be all daises and butterflies.
 

TheSiege

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It is clear you have no concept of what goes on in schools these days. What teachers have to contend with in regards to students.

Call the parents? HAH, half the time the parents don't care and are the reason the kids are this way. To them School is a daycare.

Move the class? You seriously offering to move the class because 1 child is causing this problem? What are you teaching the child causing the problem and what are you teaching the other kids suffering from it?

This is about the worst thing you can do in this case. If it means body slamming some kid who is being an absolute punk rather than teaching a classroom full of kids that they can do what they want and others will adjust I'd rather take the body slam.

My god, some people in this forum. No concept of the real world at all. Just want it to be all daises and butterflies.

Yeah, I have two school aged children and my best friend is an english teach. If the situations escalates to a point where you feel the need to call the police in, then the children shouldn't even be witnessing what is going on. Jesus, some people in this forum have no idea about tolerance.
 

mect

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For such a dangerous profession, it sure does attract a lot cowards.

Look at the pay and the shit they have to put up with. In general, you're not getting the cream of the crop.
 

waggy

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Look at the pay and the shit they have to put up with. In general, you're not getting the cream of the crop.

From what i see they don't want cream of the crop. when you read stories of them not hiring someone because they have a high IQ.

they want people who will fallow orders and enjoy the power.
 

Darwin333

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Looks bad but need more information. No info on what happened, she was clearly resisting and making it difficult for him to remove her from the location but that looks like a bit much.

I don't know, unless she had some sort of weapon which clearly the cop didn't think she had, if you can't subdue a small 12 year old child without bodyslamming her face first into the concrete maybe police work isn't the profession for you.
 

VtPC83

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Tolerance and patience are 2 VERY different things.

I have an INCREDIBLE amount of patience, but no, I have almost no tolerance.

Teachers and students do not deserve to tolerate behavior like that. The source of that behavior needs to be removed.

Additionally, my mother and sister are both teachers, elementary school. Procedure is that if the class is in the position of where OTHER students have to be removed then that constitutes removing the child causing the trouble, not the other way around.

Most teachers would laugh in your face or walk away disgusted if that was suggested to them.
 

MajinCry

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So we're assuming that the kid is a belligerent individual guilty of assault, when all we have is a video of her being carried, and then suddenly slammed face-first into the ground for no immediate reason.

Stay classy, folks.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Headfirst slam not found. She clearly makes contact with the right side of her body first (unless her neck is seriously labile). She probably deserved it.
 

OutHouse

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It seems like it should be policy that unless a child is a danger to himself/herself or others, adults shouldn't be touching them. Being defiant doesn't warrant a physical altercation not matter how disrupting it is to the class.

Good grief. You are the problem
 

HamburgerBoy

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It's amazing how much people want to pander to the absolute bottom of our society. One shitwad acting up in class? Screw over EVERY OTHER STUDENT by moving to another classroom when the worthless subhuman is acting up (and of course, you know, hope that she doesn't decide to follow along), because you can't possibly ever address problems directly, nope, all of fucking society needs to tippy-toe around them and make sure they aren't hurt or offended.
 

VtPC83

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Clearly, since defiant students cost the tax payers millions of dollars. Not excessive force.

You're blaming the cop for the lost $$$. You should be blaming the child and their parents. The cops are just responding to a request for law and order. The child is the one disrupting that law and order.

If the child didn't do what they were doing there would be no cause for the police and no cause for $$$ being spent.

Now I'm not defending this cop, his reaction was quite a bit overboard (just based on video and no other info) but I am certainly putting the blame on the child for this. Cops do not just go into a school and do this to some kid, they are engaged to do it and usually a lot has to happen before a cop even gets involved.
 

PokerGuy

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So we're assuming that the kid is a belligerent individual guilty of assault, when all we have is a video of her being carried, and then suddenly slammed face-first into the ground for no immediate reason.

Stay classy, folks.

Since we don't have the information, I have consistently said I don't know if the amount of force used was appropriate or not. All we have is an edited video. I won't assume anything about this particular student or the context since I don't have any further info on it.
 

TheSiege

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You're blaming the cop for the lost $$$. You should be blaming the child and their parents. The cops are just responding to a request for law and order. The child is the one disrupting that law and order.

If the child didn't do what they were doing there would be no cause for the police and no cause for $$$ being spent.

Now I'm not defending this cop, his reaction was quite a bit overboard (just based on video and no other info) but I am certainly putting the blame on the child for this. Cops do not just go into a school and do this to some kid, they are engaged to do it and usually a lot has to happen before a cop even gets involved.

Well it wouldn't be called excessive force if it was warranted.
 

VtPC83

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We don't know if it was warranted or not, therefore it was just force. It looks bad but we don't know what happened.

If nothing else people should hold a slightly skewed positive stance to the cop on this until more info comes out only because he wouldn't be there unless he was called and the only reason to be called is because the kid is doing something that the school can't handle itself.
 

PokerGuy

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I stand by my statement, there is no need to lay hands on a child unless the danger is eminent.

You didn't answer my. What exactly would you suggest they do if a child simply refuses to listen to anyone and refuses to comply with a lawful order of an officer? How is it different than any other underage citizen outside of a school?

If a 12 year old walks into your house and refuses to leave, what would you do? If you call the cops and they come, and the child still refuses to leave, what would you suggest?

We don't know the particulars of this case, and I don't know if the amount of force was appropriate or not, but a blanket statement that there's no "need to lay hands on a child unless the danger is imminent" is absurd.

I agree that it shouldn't be the first option and that it seems to far too often be the first option.

In a perfect world all kids would have great parents that taught them manners and respect. But its not a perfect world and children shouldn't be attacked by adults.
Being forced to comply is not the same as "being attacked". It's simple reality that not everyone will choose to follow the rules at all times, and it's also an unfortunate reality that sometimes it is necessary to use force.
 

master_shake_

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http://www.pulseheadlines.com/police-officer-tackles-12yearold-girl-san-antonio/24668/

The case is under investigation: SAID “will not tolerate excessive force”

The 12-year-old girl did not offer resistance to the police detainment, but she ended up with a swollen bruise near her right eye, said Ksat. The case is currently being investigated by the SAISD, which has received a video of the incident.
Leslie Price, a spokeswoman for SAISD, reported that a formal investigation has been launched within the police department, and at the administrative level. She added that authorities need to find more details about what happened, but the institution will not tolerate “excessive force in the district”.
Some students have said to Ksat that officer Kehm had been trying to stop a fight between the two girls. By contrast, Gloria Valdez said that what disgusts her the most is that the police officer handcuffed her daughter while she was “unconscious” after her head hit the concrete.
"roid raging bully now cop, takes out small dick aggression on 12 year old girl" is more appropriate headline.

oh and look

“She had been bullied at the beginning of the school year. I talked to a counselor, the vice principal, and principal, and they said they’d look into it. Finally, the other student started attacking her and got into a fight, and it led to my daughter getting suspended.” said Valdez to the San Antonio Express-News.
the school let her down.
 
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