School cop body-slams 6th grade girl to floor

[Exophase]

Force was clearly excessive. I'm guessing the cop made a mistake and had a kneejerk reaction, maybe based on his training or previous incidents of much larger people resisting arrest.

She was definitely resisting, and the situation might have called for somewhat escalated force (like tighter restraint) but in no way was this body slam the right course of action. I hope the guy at least admits he screwed up and apologizes and maybe takes some disciplinary action on the chin.

 

[VtPC83]

See how the guy was carrying her away, before he slammed her?

That first bit, alright, fair enough.

But that latter bit, where he slams her? That's fucked.

Ok, I agree, but hypothetically, what if she was beginning to slip out of his grip, what if he was worried she was going to attack him or someone else (lots of kids around), what if she were already hurting him by kicking him or something? What do you expect him to do? Let her go so she can do one of those things? What if she had a hidden weapon?

These are hypothetical yes but they are also running through the cops brain as things that could happen. He has to prepare for those possibilities. Forcing her to comply is his only recourse here as talking to her didn't work (I'm guessing given the action we are seeing). That force is the flip you see, unfortunately excessive but in his mind he had to do something that would gain the compliance he needed.

I don't understand why people don't see this. It feels like you lived in a perfect world where everyone you met was this perfect moral, upstanding citizen... unfortunately that is not real life.

EDIT- just watched it again, after the slam cuffs go on, she stands up and she walks out without any resisting. The slam was excessive yes, NO QUESTION, but it gained the compliance the cop needed to control the situation.

 

[waggy]

Ok, I agree, but hypothetically, what if she was beginning to slip out of his grip, what if he was worried she was going to attack him or someone else (lots of kids around), what if she were already hurting him by kicking him or something? What do you expect him to do? Let her go so she can do one of those things? What if she had a hidden weapon?

These are hypothetical yes but they are also running through the cops brain as things that could happen. He has to prepare for those possibilities. Forcing her to comply is his only recourse here as talking to her didn't work (I'm guessing given the action we are seeing). That force is the flip you see, unfortunately excessive but in his mind he had to do something that would gain the compliance he needed.

I don't understand why people don't see this. It feels like you lived in a perfect world where everyone you met was this perfect moral, upstanding citizen... unfortunately that is not real life.

he had a "chicken wing" type hold on the left side and his arm around with the right. She was not getting out of his grip.

To be honest the video is to short to really be for sure what she was doing. when he slammed her she was not fighting and he had control of her. he could have easily brought that left arm up into a pain complaince position. yet he slammed her.

the more i watch it the more i think the cop fucked up. there was no reason to slam her (from what we see in the video). he had her in a good position and so much more he could do.

 

[Cr0nJ0b]

Ok, I agree, but hypothetically, what if she was beginning to slip out of his grip, what if he was worried she was going to attack him or someone else (lots of kids around), what if she were already hurting him by kicking him or something? What do you expect him to do? Let her go so she can do one of those things? What if she had a hidden weapon?

These are hypothetical yes but they are also running through the cops brain as things that could happen. He has to prepare for those possibilities. Forcing her to comply is his only recourse here as talking to her didn't work (I'm guessing given the action we are seeing). That force is the flip you see, unfortunately excessive but in his mind he had to do something that would gain the compliance he needed.

I don't understand why people don't see this. It feels like you lived in a perfect world where everyone you met was this perfect moral, upstanding citizen... unfortunately that is not real life.

Your points are noted, and would make sense if the officer was trying to control a large or semi-large male. This is clearly a teenage girl. Light enough for him to physically lift her whole body off of the ground 10 inches and force it back down again. He proved clearly that he had the power to control her.

If she was slipping his grasp, he could have just let go and grab back on. SHE'S A TEENAGE GIRL. If she were a small horse, then yes, maybe there would be some concern for others safety...but what was she going to do? run away? okay, run to where? Couldn't he just follow her and then catch up to her? I mean he's a cop, twice her physical size. If he were a smart professional, he would have de-escalated the situation. When she fought back, he should have backed down slightly to let her cooldown. Used more verbal commands, maybe a wrist bar, arm bar, or just stand in front of her. He's much larger than her. This was not a situation that needed him to force her small body to the ground as he did.

I would say, in viewing this, he should be suspended for further review, sent back to training, have a psych review and not be allowed young folks as part of his daily duties.

that my input.

 

[VtPC83]

Hard to say, we can armchair it all we want but we weren't there.

He was holding onto a girl who is resisting, in the middle of all of her friends, and other kids, had no visible backup/assistance, I would be nervous that something was going to happen outside of my control. He screwed up by slamming her like he did but I'm sure he felt something needed to happen that was more drastic that what he was doing.

Your points are noted, and would make sense if the officer was trying to control a large or semi-large male. This is clearly a teenage girl. Light enough for him to physically lift her whole body off of the ground 10 inches and force it back down again. He proved clearly that he had the power to control her.

If she was slipping his grasp, he could have just let go and grab back on. SHE'S A TEENAGE GIRL. If she were a small horse, then yes, maybe there would be some concern for others safety...but what was she going to do? run away? okay, run to where? Couldn't he just follow her and then catch up to her? I mean he's a cop, twice her physical size. If he were a smart professional, he would have de-escalated the situation. When she fought back, he should have backed down slightly to let her cooldown. Used more verbal commands, maybe a wrist bar, arm bar, or just stand in front of her. He's much larger than her. This was not a situation that needed him to force her small body to the ground as he did.

I would say, in viewing this, he should be suspended for further review, sent back to training, have a psych review and not be allowed young folks as part of his daily duties.

that my input.

I think something everyone is forgetting, police are trained (which may need to be modified) to expect the unexpected and deal with it. They usually have seconds to do that in. They don't always make the right decisions and those wrong decisions are always put up on display and picked apart. If we compared this cops bad decisions to his good decisions, decisions you would applaud and call him a good cop for, I'm sure the good decisions would FAR outweigh the bad ones.

No one ever seems to think that way. Shit happens, usually very quickly. I know what I would do in a situation like that, from experience. Do you? Remember, you have 1-3 seconds to think it through, decide and act. Good luck.

 

[MajinCry]

You do realize he agrees with you right?

Did you read the posts?

When I am fine with the holding-and-removing-from-the-situation, I am not fine with the girl being bodyslammed.

Ergo, I'm advocating that he should have just removed the girl from the commotion, as he was doing before Roid Mode: Overdrive Engage mode went at full speed.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Without context and further information, it's hard to tell if the action was warranted or not.

I was going to put in the OP it wouldn't be long before someone came in and defend the cop, or claim the girl deserved it. But I didn't.

But I was right...didn't take long.

To you and the others saying this isn't clear, what on earth would make this justiedifed in your eyes?

Clearly not armed - so no weapon. She is a 12 year old, probably less then 100lbs, so no physical threat to the officer.

Is he allowed to restrain her? Sure. But post the law or police regs that show that faceplanting a kid onto a concrete floor is established police procedure.

I mean she probably had a real chance of serious injury. What if she had her neck broken from that? You would gladly absolve the cop of any guilt?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

It's amazing how much people want to pander to the absolute bottom of our society. One shitwad acting up in class? Screw over EVERY OTHER STUDENT by moving to another classroom when the worthless subhuman is acting up (and of course, you know, hope that she doesn't decide to follow along), because you can't possibly ever address problems directly, nope, all of fucking society needs to tippy-toe around them and make sure they aren't hurt or offended.

Oh look...another bigot that supports police abuse. Man, PN sure has a lot of pathetic human beings.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

She was bloody dangling her legs. Y'all are making it sound like she was elbowing the cop in the face and breaking his ribs. She's barely god damn nudging the guy.

God damn you guys.

They are pretty are pretty pathetic bigots aren't they?

 

[Blue_Max]

Oh look...another bigot that supports police abuse. Man, PN sure has a lot of pathetic human beings.

They are pretty are pretty pathetic bigots aren't they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3n7yP5g8RQ

People are getting tired of the PC crowd always jumping to the extreme shaming techniques to silence anyone who doesn't immediately (and enthusiastically) comply with their views.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Hard to say, we can armchair it all we want but we weren't there.

He was holding onto a girl who is resisting, in the middle of all of her friends, and other kids, had no visible backup/assistance, I would be nervous that something was going to happen outside of my control. He screwed up by slamming her like he did but I'm sure he felt something needed to happen that was more drastic that what he was doing.



I think something everyone is forgetting, police are trained (which may need to be modified) to expect the unexpected and deal with it. They usually have seconds to do that in. They don't always make the right decisions and those wrong decisions are always put up on display and picked apart. If we compared this cops bad decisions to his good decisions, decisions you would applaud and call him a good cop for, I'm sure the good decisions would FAR outweigh the bad ones.

No one ever seems to think that way. Shit happens, usually very quickly. I know what I would do in a situation like that, from experience. Do you? Remember, you have 1-3 seconds to think it through, decide and act. Good luck.

Yes, all of those other elementary school kids could have been a threat!

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Yes, all of those other elementary school kids could have been a threat!

Yup, just like that other Texas cop that went to a "crashed" pool party in a white neighborhood, and ignored all the white kids walking around and only decided to throw an unarmed black girl in a bikini to the ground.

Apparently in Texas, young unarmed black females are really dangerous to cops, at least in their minds. And apparently, there are enough white men and women that don't mind this happening to crack down on it.

 

[waggy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3n7yP5g8RQ

People are getting tired of the PC crowd always jumping to the extreme shaming techniques to silence anyone who doesn't immediately (and enthusiastically) comply with their views.

/this

 

[kage69]

The cop was "a bit too gung-ho" with the slamming a 12 year old girl to the floor.

I agree. I'd like to see a bit more tact from officers when it comes to this kind of thing, along with an emphasis on non-kinetic techniques involving pressure points, locking, etc, rather than this WWE shit.

Having said that, I'm still surprised people think compliance is optional when you are dealing with a LEO who is giving you orders. If there has been a misunderstanding, screaming at cops and kicking them is a great way to insure it won't be worked out in your favor.

 

[kage69]

Yes, all of those other elementary school kids could have been a threat!

I understand the sarcasm, but seriously - you think a kid can't drop you with a kick to the balls, or grab a weapon from your belt if your hands are full? Kids do dumb shit like that everyday, hell they kill each other over facebook posts! Need a link?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Oh look...another bigot that supports police abuse. Man, PN sure has a lot of pathetic human beings.

Bigoted against what? Are 12 year old white kids now a protected minority?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Dude! He totally took that 12 year old girl on all on his own. He didn't even call SWAT in.

A true hero and an inspiration to us all.

 

[Snowman_]

so many billy badasses here. it's totally cool to body-slam a 12 year old girl. Totally ok. She was resisting so I thought it was best her head met the ground. See how docile she was after that? perfectly acceptable.

More like just a bunch of losers on a forum. Seriously hope none of them have kids and if they already have kids lmao I feel horrible for their kids.

Must be awfully afraid of a 12 year old if you think body slamming is an appropriate reaction.

 

[Mai72]

Or you could say if teachers can't control 12 year old kids without needing to have on premises a uniformed police officer to assist, then they have no business being teachers. It's hard to credibly act surprised when violence is dished out in response to bad behavior when your school's primary escalation path for dealing with said bad behavior is to summon their personal agent of the state; an agent who is expressly authorized by the state to commit violence on the state's behalf to "maintain order". Sure you can blame the cop in any given instance, but the bigger problem is that we as a society have determined that we can't keep schools safe unless we have armed police officers on hand, which is akin to saying we can't keep our cars safe from being stolen unless we equip them with 'anti-theft flamethrowers' like they do in South Africa.

That depends.

I've worked at special needs schools in the past. I've had students spit on the floor, run out of the classroom, curse at me because they wanted to get out of classwork, throw chairs, flip over filing cabinets and desks, etc. It can be emotionally draining and it's a very challenging environment.

In today's sue happy environment, administration and staff are afraid to do anything that would jeopardize their job. All a student needs to say is Mr. Jones touched me and he's immediately taken out of his classroom until they examine the complaint. It's one of the reasons why children have gotten so good at taking control away from adults. It can even happen at home. You spank your child, he gets pissed and tells a counselor at his school. By law, dyfus is at your house and you're accused of abuse.

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[Pulsar]

It seems like it should be policy that unless a child is a danger to himself/herself or others, adults shouldn't be touching them. Being defiant doesn't warrant a physical altercation not matter how disrupting it is to the class.

Oh yes. Absolutely. let's allow a single little special snowflake disrupt the education of dozens of other kids with no recourse.

Jesus christ. Go back to California where you belong.

 

[Pulsar]

I was going to put in the OP it wouldn't be long before someone came in and defend the cop, or claim the girl deserved it. But I didn't.

But I was right...didn't take long.

To you and the others saying this isn't clear, what on earth would make this justiedifed in your eyes?

Clearly not armed - so no weapon. She is a 12 year old, probably less then 100lbs, so no physical threat to the officer.

Is he allowed to restrain her? Sure. But post the law or police regs that show that faceplanting a kid onto a concrete floor is established police procedure.

I mean she probably had a real chance of serious injury. What if she had her neck broken from that? You would gladly absolve the cop of any guilt?

Ah yes. Same old same old, eh garfield? Ever fought with a 100 lb kid bent on doing damage? Clearly not. But after all, think of children!

And to wrap it up let's craft a cute little straw man argument.

Wait. You're right. This is young, healthy kid. It's time we start tasing the little jerks. Go be a special snowflake elsewhere.

 

[Mai72]

It seems like it should be policy that unless a child is a danger to himself/herself or others, adults shouldn't be touching them. Being defiant doesn't warrant a physical altercation not matter how disrupting it is to the class.

Do you know how bad that sounds?

I had a student who would shout at other students. Call them stupid. Scream and sing to get the other students to laugh. He would scream "crap, crap, crap, crap, crap..."

Now, try teaching in that type of environment. Try even talking. You can't. ZERO work is going to be completed. ZERO!

So, that's fine with you? Where do you work? I'll send a kid into your place of work, scream in your ear, and let's see how productive you'll be.

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[MajinCry]

They are pretty are pretty pathetic bigots aren't they?

It's fuckin' mind boggling. They keep saying that the girl was resisting, that she was being violent. She was bloody dangling her limbs for Christ's sake.

And then we have lads like Blue Max spouting nonsense, saying that we're just "PC" zombies, refusing to allow people to have other opinions.

You're allowed to have opinions that are derived from fact. You aren't allowed to have opinions that throw facts out the window, and then reject everybody else's opinion as invalid because you think nonsense is on-par with facts.


It's just...Bloody hell.

 

[Wreckem]

All of you saying she's a 12 year old girl she's weak etc have no idea what you are talking about.

I've heard of two instances involving a 14 year old girl that was 4'11" and 90 pounds knocking out and severely injuring a 6' male. Said 14 year old also repeatedly hit repeatedly hit teacher causing swelling and brusing above the eye.

Age and weight doesn't effect the possibility of vicious actions.

 

[MajinCry]

All of you saying she's a 12 year old girl she's weak etc have no idea what you are talking about.

I've heard of two instances involving a 14 year old girl that was 4'11" and 90 pounds knocking out and severely injuring a 6' male. Said 14 year old also repeatedly hit repeatedly hit teacher causing swelling and brusing above the eye.

Age and weight doesn't effect the possibility of vicious actions.

I take it that you didn't watch the video.