Damage control seems quite plausible. Schumer is attaching himself to whatever he thinks will gain points for him. It's pretty smart at this point publically.
The arrogance of the leftists in charge of government at the time, under the tutelage of Obama the guy whose idea of leading was to say "we won", felt that they had the economy fixed. Knowing deep within their psyche's that throwing money at a problem always fixes it (yeah, we know otherwise) they threw money at the economy, put a check mark next to it declaring it fixed and moved on to the next item on the list. And although I used the word arrogance earlier it does not fully explain their actions. To paraphrase that same guy I quoted before, 'they acted stupidly'. Acted from a position based in a lack of knowledge and understanding and with zero intent of learning. The 'smartest guy in the room' felt he already knew the answer and governing as he did and still does today, it became so. Then and now, few if any are willing to tell the emperor he is naked and not clothed in finery.
This is at the heart of the arguments being heard regarding Schumer's statement. Nobody likes to act in a stupid fashion - and have it discovered. When your mistakes start to glaringly define your core beliefs people have a tendency to go on the defensive. Mistakes of this magnitude can change the course of a nation. It's potentially 'a big fucking deal'.
I still feel that Schumer has got an alternative agenda. On the surface it appears unnecessary to admit the mistake at this point. It's two years before the next election. Unless Schumer feels the party is that heavily damaged such that he needs to start some form of damage control this early I can think of no other reason for him to say what he's said. He appears to be a lone wolf in this endeavor so maybe it's just a case of senility is setting in. The only election that requires planning on this level two years out is a presidential one and that possibility is food for thought.
Now why am I not surprised you would reply with nothing but diversions.....
The point of the whole discussion being what, other than Righties attempting to blame Dems for not doing what Repubs never would have done themselves? And attribute blame to that?
Read the original post. This is about Schumer blaming the dams. Good lord son, you need help.
Oh, I thought it was about Schumer being a sniveling little weasel whining about losing his chairmanship for two years until the dems win the Senate back in 2016.
With such courageous leaders like Schumer, I can't understand how dems lose any elections..
Read the original post. This is about Schumer blaming the dams. Good lord son, you need help.
That must be the case because everyone knows the Democrats are absolutely infallible and righteous saints who are absolutely correct in all things. If the American public are too stupid to understand perfection when they see it then that's their fault. Schumer has devolved into peasant status like the great unwashed.
Schumer admits that Dems could have done better. There's no claim of perfection in that.
What have Repubs admitted wrt how this disaster came to be? And what have they proposed that would actually help those most affected?
Not a damned thing, but Dems are obviously wrong anyway, I suppose.
Unfortunately, Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them. We took their mandate and put all of our focus on the wrong problem: health-care reform.”
Schumer admits that Dems could have done better. There's no claim of perfection in that.
What have Repubs admitted wrt how this disaster came to be? And what have they proposed that would actually help those most affected?
Not a damned thing, but Dems are obviously wrong anyway, I suppose.
You can't even accept the one criticism without saying "but look what the republicans did".
You can't even accept the one criticism without saying "but look what the republicans did".
Would you rather lose your means to pay the rent, to keep your loved ones sheltered clothed and not find your family on the street or Obamacare? The point yet again is that the Democrats decided they wanted the later.
The problem is with the idea of rescue as a solution. There's nothing wrong with that in itself, no more than there is tossing a life preserver to someone who has slipped off the deck of a ship with no guard rails, but there is when you just leave it pretty much at that and keep sailing on. The person in the water isn't comforted much by a lot of others nearby in the same situation watching the ship sail on while listing to the crew celebrate on a job well done.
Let's go the opposite here. Let's say that Obamacare consisted of a one time tax credit for 2K on all health care costs. How hard would you party over that? That's that Schumer gets, or at least I hope so. If no one can think of what might have been done besides a stimulus then we're pretty screwed in perpetuity.
I expect the Usual Suspects to start with "Bush", "Republicans" etc, which I note you haven't, but Schumer isn't a Republican. Instead he's looking at where his party has gone and the emphasis put on agenda and has come to a conclusion that what the party wants isn't really in step with the concerns of the people of this nation.
Can you ever get honest? It's one thing for Libs to criticize Schumer & other Dems for not working more to create & preserve jobs at the time. Libs would have gone further in that regard. It's entirely another coming from those who actually opposed that at the time, from people whose attitude ranged from "I got mine! Fuck You!" to "Get a job, asshole!" wrt the catastrophe that befell all too many families through no fault of their own.
What can you buy for $2K tax credit in health care? Maybe assisted suicide, but that's about it.
It is pretty odd for conservatives to try to call out liberals for not focusing on jobs and the economy enough, considering conservatives wanted to cut spending during that time. We have seen the results of that, and it would have been catastrophic.
It's one of those look at the beam in your eye before calling out the mote in another's' thing.
Quick IQ test:And what can you live in on McDonald wages? A box?
But people may have had crappy insurance and that could have been improved by ending the exclusions for existing conditions and a few other things.
Instead, while unemployment figures improved, incomes fell, decent jobs continued to be outsourced and on and on. It may suck to have to go to the ER, but what "MR"- mortgage room- do you go to when you are about to lose your home? What do you feed your kids? That's what people worried, and still worry about.
As far as Schumer saying what could have been done he didn't need to. It's too late to try anything at all.
You can now return to your regularly scheduled doom and gloom.Black Friday Online Sales Jump 22% as Jobs Spur Shopping
Great. The Republicans suck. The Dems didn't do anything about it. I can call anyone out on it.
Quick IQ test:
Can you end exclusions for preexisting conditions without individual mandate in a private insurance market?
Can you have individual mandate without subsidies for those who can't afford coverage?
If you pass, you'll see, once you go down the path of ending exclusions for preexisting conditons, you end up with either Obamacare or Medicare/Medicaid for all.
Apparently Americans can buy quite a lot after Obamacare passed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...-sales-jump-22-as-jobs-gas-spur-shopping.html
You can now return to your regularly scheduled doom and gloom.
They most certainly did do something about it. They didn't do enough, but thats not the same thing.
Quick IQ test:
Can you end exclusions for preexisting conditions without individual mandate in a private insurance market?
Can you have individual mandate without subsidies for those who can't afford coverage?
If you pass, you'll see, once you go down the path of ending exclusions for preexisting conditons, you end up with either Obamacare or Medicare/Medicaid for all.
Apparently Americans can buy quite a lot after Obamacare passed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...-sales-jump-22-as-jobs-gas-spur-shopping.html
You can now return to your regularly scheduled doom and gloom.
Hardly. It's Righties blaming Dems for not fixing Repubs' legacy of failure fast enough, using Schumer's remarks as a foil.
If Repub efforts & ideology had been anything other than disastrous, there wouldn't have been anything that needed to be fixed.
Obviously, that's not something Righties consider when working themselves up into a blame somebody else snit.
You seem to have missed the point. The major concern wasn't health care but "job care". Downsizing, losing jobs to overseas, wage disparity, the very existence of a middle class was what people were mostly concerned with. Through the entire " recovery ", all that supporters focus on are percentage points in hiring, while skilled people are worked to death and if they are in their 40's or 50's and lose that job they might as well drop dead because their chance of being rehired at like wages and not be ruined aren't great. The Republicans are fine with that and the Democrats don't do a damned thing but stick to obamacare and ignore the real fears and concerns. We're redundant, not needed. We're being freed from our livelihoods but while we may lose everything no one cares.
The Democrats have established a state where no one can win. A bureaucracy, socialism, and communism.So the dems are left trying to plug two giant holes in a sinking ship with the reps doing nothing but picking at their hands because the ship captain is also a water salesman... and you're going to complain about the dems not doing enough about one hole over the other?
Maybe it's because if they focused any less then absolutely nothing would have been done.