Schwarzenegger says the stimulus worked

Patranus

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Schwarzenegger might be a "Republican" but he is far from a conservative.

Schwarzenegger was emasculated when his legislation to save California was blocked by the teachers union (and others) and has been a lame duck in the state ever since.

That being said, when you spend a trillion dollars something will happen. If the investment was worth it is a different story.
 

Moonbeam

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Inaction was predicted to lead to financial depression. The Bush government went into action, followed by Obama, and disaster didn't happen, yet. How can anybody actually know for certain more than that?
 

DucatiMonster696

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Wow it worked? So California is not going to face anymore budget deficit short falls in the next 20+ years with its continual increase in spending? Let us all know when unemployment rates drops below 10% in California Arnie.
 

classy

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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/02/fl-gov-charlie-crist-stimulus-did-create-jobs.html


FL Gov Charlie Crist: Stimulus Did Create Jobs

Florida Governor Charlie Crist says Republicans who say the stimulus has not created jobs are simply wrong.

"That’s not the case in Florida," he said speaking after the National Governors Association meeting at the White House, "It created or maintained at least 87,000 jobs, 27,000 of those jobs are educators and teachers throughout our state. I dare say what impact the would have on the students if those teachers were out of work, unable to put bread on the table for their families."
 

cubby1223

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Inaction was predicted to lead to financial depression. The Bush government went into action, followed by Obama, and disaster didn't happen, yet. How can anybody actually know for certain more than that?

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/obama-unemployment3.JPG

Obama, Pelosi, & Reid declared that without immediate passing of the stimulus plan there would be catastrophic consequences... you know, causing a second great depression where unemployment would top out at ~9%...

Where exactly are we now? *With* the stimulus plan, we are well beyond *their* benchmark of a "great depression"... And what kind of long-term effects does Asian countries owning much much more of our debt have on us?
 

senseamp

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Arnold is dealing with real problems while GOP in Congress and Romney is demagoging things to death.
 

cubby1223

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"That’s not the case in Florida," he said speaking after the National Governors Association meeting at the White House, "It created or maintained at least 87,000 jobs, 27,000 of those jobs are educators and teachers throughout our state. I dare say what impact the would have on the students if those teachers were out of work, unable to put bread on the table for their families."

Right! Because when there are government budget shortfalls, the only cuts that can ever be made to the budget are in the form of teacher jobs. And of course *all* of them will be fired, if for nothing else than to just stick it to those evil hate-filled Republicans.

And when they all lose their jobs, no one anywhere will ever help any of those poor teachers with a loaf of bread... Oh the humanity!

We must sell our debt to China, for no one will give a teacher a loaf of bread!!!
 

Fern

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You take a bunch of money and start a new business, it will make profits and grow and hire more people. You don't need to give it a bunch of again.

You take a bunch of money and give it to states to prop up their budgets so they can keep teachers on the payrol without issue more debt/bonds etc, yeah you've saved some jobs. But unlike the business example above, when the gov money runs out, you'll need to either get more more gov money or lay off the teachers. It's a temporary (and expensive) solution to a longer term problem.

By and large is all it accomplished was shifting debt off the states' books and onto the federal government's.

It probably helped CA more then others since they can't really go further into debt, unlike most other states they're having no luck selling more bonds etc.

it would have been far far better had they implemented a plan to stimulate businesses directly and effectively. That's money that keeps on going and pays you back (via taxes).

Fern
 

Moonbeam

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http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/obama-unemployment3.JPG

Obama, Pelosi, & Reid declared that without immediate passing of the stimulus plan there would be catastrophic consequences... you know, causing a second great depression where unemployment would top out at ~9%...

Where exactly are we now? *With* the stimulus plan, we are well beyond *their* benchmark of a "great depression"... And what kind of long-term effects does Asian countries owning much much more of our debt have on us?

If you think that what we have right now is a depression you are way way way too stupid to talk to.
 

classy

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You take a bunch of money and start a new business, it will make profits and grow and hire more people. You don't need to give it a bunch of again.

You take a bunch of money and give it to states to prop up their budgets so they can keep teachers on the payrol without issue more debt/bonds etc, yeah you've saved some jobs. But unlike the business example above, when the gov money runs out, you'll need to either get more more gov money or lay off the teachers. It's a temporary (and expensive) solution to a longer term problem.

By and large is all it accomplished was shifting debt off the states' books and onto the federal government's.

It probably helped CA more then others since they can't really go further into debt, unlike most other states they're having no luck selling more bonds etc.

it would have been far far better had they implemented a plan to stimulate businesses directly and effectively. That's money that keeps on going and pays you back (via taxes).

Fern


He did that and he stayed with the bailout. He took care of automakers and banks. Where do you think all the bailout money went? They stimulated those businesses directly. Banks made billions, so they should have created jobs, right? He did his part.
 

EagleKeeper

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The stimulus has helped Ca and other states avoiding to make the hard choices.

Will there be another stimulus to help them out next year?
 

Jiggz

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So why does Obama want to spend another 100 billion on a "jobs bill" if he still has walking around coin?

Now that my friend is what they call "kicker" which double pwned the opponent!

As for Arnie, well as a recipient of multi-billion dollar stimulus money from the Feds he can't say the stimulus didn't work. I mean, considering CA is still $21B in debt I'm quite sure Arnie is still eyeballing for some more stimulus $$$.
 

OrByte

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Wow it worked? So California is not going to face anymore budget deficit short falls in the next 20+ years with its continual increase in spending? Let us all know when unemployment rates drops below 10% in California Arnie.

The Stim $$ was not intended to solve all of California's budget problems.
 
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