SCIENCE: NASA Researchers Claim Evidence of Present Life on Mars...oops...NASA refutes

conjur

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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_life_050216.html
WASHINGTON -- A pair of NASA scientists told a group of space officials at a private meeting here Sunday that they have found strong evidence that life may exist today on Mars, hidden away in caves and sustained by pockets of water.

The scientists, Carol Stoker and Larry Lemke of NASA?s Ames Research Center in Silicon Valley, told the group that they have submitted their findings to the journal Nature for publication in May, and their paper currently is being peer reviewed.

What Stoker and Lemke have found, according to several attendees of the private meeting, is not direct proof of life on Mars, but methane signatures and other signs of possible biological activity remarkably similar to those recently discovered in caves here on Earth.

Stoker and other researchers have long theorized that the Martian subsurface could harbor biological organisms that have developed unusual strategies for existing in extreme environments. That suspicion led Stoker and a team of U.S. and Spanish researchers in 2003 to southwestern Spain to search for subsurface life near the Rio Tinto river?so-called because of its reddish tint?the product of iron being dissolved in its highly acidic water.


Stoker did not respond to messages left Tuesday on her voice mail at Ames.

Stoker told SPACE.com in 2003, weeks before leading the expedition to southwestern Spain, that by studying the very acidic Rio Tinto, she and other scientists hoped to characterize the potential for a ?chemical bioreactor? in the subsurface ? an underground microbial ecosystem of sorts that might well control the chemistry of the surface environment.

Making such a discovery at Rio Tinto, Stoker said in 2003, would mean uncovering a new, previously uncharacterized metabolic strategy for living in the subsurface. ?For that reason, the search for life in the Rio Tinto is a good analog for searching for life on Mars,? she said.

Stoker told her private audience Sunday evening that by comparing discoveries made at Rio Tinto with data collected by ground-based telescopes and orbiting spacecraft, including the European Space Agency?s Mars Express, she and Lemke have made a very a strong case that life exists below Mars? surface.

The two scientists, according to sources at the Sunday meeting, based their case in part on Mars? fluctuating methane signatures that could be a sign of an active underground biosphere and nearby surface concentrations of the sulfate jarosite, a mineral salt found on Earth in hot springs and other acidic bodies of water like Rio Tinto that have been found to harbor life despite their inhospitable environments.

One of NASA?s Mars Exploration Rovers, Opportunity, bolstered the case for water on Mars when it discovered jarosite and other mineral salts on a rocky outcropping in Merdiani Planum, the intrepid rover?s landing site chosen because scientists believe the area was once covered by salty sea.

Stoker and Lemke?s research could lead the search for Martian biology underground, where standing water would help account for the curious methane signatures the two have been analyzing.

?They are desperate to find out what could be producing the methane,? one attendee told Space News. ?Their answer is drill, drill, drill.?

NASA has no firm plans for sending a drill-equipped lander to Mars, but the agency is planning to launch a powerful new rover in 2009 that could help shed additional light on Stoker and Lemke?s intriguing findings. Dubbed the Mars Science Laboratory, the nuclear-powered rover will range farther than any of its predecessors and will be carrying an advanced mass spectrometer to sniff out methane with greater sensitivity than any instrument flown to date.



In 1996 a team of NASA and Stanford University researchers created a stir when they published findings that meteorites recovered from the Allen Hills region of Antarctica contained evidence of possible past life on Mars. Those findings remain controversial, with many researchers unconvinced that those meteorites held even possible evidence that very primitive microbial life had once existed on Mars.
I'd volunteer for a manned mission to Mars!

One dept I hope doesn't fall too far under the cutting knife is NASA. Although, moving to a worldwide consortium for funding future missions would be an interesting idea.


OOPS:

Space agency denies report about Red Planet life
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961/
 

znaps

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By 2009 private enterprise will be doing this stuff better than NASA I think. Also I don't see why they just plan on sending one single rover...send a small army of them!
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: conjur
I'd volunteer for a manned mission to Mars!

One dept I hope doesn't fall too far under the cutting knife is NASA. Although, moving to a worldwide consortium for funding future missions would be an interesting idea.

I agree with that, there are plenty of funds available to fix the Hubble, but that will take leadership. O'Keefe can't get out of NASA fast enough to become the chancellor at Louisiana State University.

I hope the new NASA head will have the motivation to save Hubble. As I said, funds were already put aside for repair etc, what they're saying, Conress, White House and NASA is a bunch of baloney. Hubble can be fixed with little or no extra cost.

There was a new type of rock just found bythe great rover, Spirit. It's pretty safe to assume there was water on mars. And there is definately evidence of life on Mars
 

lozina

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Mars would make a great place for a Guantanamo Bay II

Would you really volunteer to undergo such a mission? I can see going to the moon- that's a quick ride and at least you can still see the Earth But Mars! that's crazy- kudos to whoever is brave enough to do that
 

Gen Stonewall

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Raise your hand if you think that if life is found on Mars, it will be composed of the same DNA found on earth.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Raise your hand if you think that if life is found on Mars, it will be composed of the same DNA found on earth.

how sweet would that be - would make you wonder how life started on earth. perhaps primitive backteria on an asteroid or something? interesting indeed...
 
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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Raise your hand if you think that if life is found on Mars, it will be composed of the same DNA found on earth.

How about something *similar* to, but probably not *identical* to, DNA structures found on earth? Is that close enough?

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Raise your hand if you think that if life is found on Mars, it will be composed of the same DNA found on earth.

How about something *similar* to, but probably not *identical* to, DNA structures found on earth? Is that close enough?

Jason
Finding a similar DNA would be more exciting and revolutionary than finding something identical. Finding either would be astounding as it is.

 

AnitaPeterson

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Does anyone here believe that the discovery of life on Mars will deliver a mortal blow to Christian fundamentalists, as well as other fundamentalist forms of religion? Ideally, all religion should go the way of the dodo, but that would be too good to be true.
 

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Does anyone here believe that the discovery of life on Mars will deliver a mortal blow to Christian fundamentalists, as well as other fundamentalist forms of religion? Ideally, all religion should go the way of the dodo, but that would be too good to be true.

No. They will just say God put it there to test our faith. Same old same old.
 

Kalmah

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That is awesome. I hope something is found. Thanks for the story Conjur.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Does anyone here believe that the discovery of life on Mars will deliver a mortal blow to Christian fundamentalists, as well as other fundamentalist forms of religion? Ideally, all religion should go the way of the dodo, but that would be too good to be true.

Well if there were a statement in the bible that life exists only on earth, then yes, however people who I know who are Christians are as interested in seeing something like this as much as anyone else.

Now, suppose there is life on Mars. What would happen if humans came in direct contact with it? Would it be virulent? I'd certainly want to know a LOT more about it before launching a manned mission.
 

spidey07

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ya know I'm not fully convinced there isn't life on mars. Far fetched for sure, but its still possible.

heck, we're still finding life on our own dang planet where we thought it couldn't exist.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Finding a similar DNA would be more exciting and revolutionary than finding something identical. Finding either would be astounding as it is.

Wow. just imagine finding dna similar to that found here on earth. Which would suggest a link between the two... So much for the God theory! Just WOW!
 

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I'm always wondering, suppose we did find intelligent life somewhere in space....do you think the government would tell us about it? (And this is not a partisan question to be interpreted as "do you think this administration would tell us") I just wonder what people think.
 
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Originally posted by: gutharius
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Finding a similar DNA would be more exciting and revolutionary than finding something identical. Finding either would be astounding as it is.

Wow. just imagine finding dna similar to that found here on earth. Which would suggest a link between the two... So much for the God theory! Just WOW!
Huh?

I'm agnostic, since you don't appear to know that. I'm also a huge believer in scientific theories of all ranges so I'm not sure what you're getting at with your comment.

In fact, I'm kind of partial to the theory of comets/asteroids providing the seeds of life, not only to our planet, but to others. If we had the capability to explore further, I wouldn't doubt finding life, at least of the microbial variety, on Titan. Finding life with an equivalent DNA structure would help to validate the theory I believe in. Finding life with a similar DNA structure would open up even further possibilities, which would be rather astounding.

Erm. Maybe you knew that already?
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: gutharius
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Finding a similar DNA would be more exciting and revolutionary than finding something identical. Finding either would be astounding as it is.

Wow. just imagine finding dna similar to that found here on earth. Which would suggest a link between the two... So much for the God theory! Just WOW!
Huh?

I'm agnostic, since you don't appear to know that. I'm also a huge believer in scientific theories of all ranges so I'm not sure what you're getting at with your comment.

In fact, I'm kind of partial to the theory of comets/asteroids providing the seeds of life, not only to our planet, but to others. If we had the capability to explore further, I wouldn't doubt finding life, at least of the microbial variety, on Titan. Finding life with an equivalent DNA structure would help to validate the theory I believe in. Finding life with a similar DNA structure would open up even further possibilities, which would be rather astounding.

Erm. Maybe you knew that already?


I was a bit confused too. One could make an argument for creationism here. Why are things so similar? Because God made them of course!

That DNA would be common makes sense from a biochemical POV. There isn't another molecule we have ever seen that does what it does. If there is metabolism producing methane, then there must be similar biochemical pathways. What I would be interested in seeing is the structure of this organism. Is it prokaryotic? Eukaryotic? Something unimagined? What about cellular apparatus? Mitochondria?

That's what I want to know about.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: znaps
By 2009 private enterprise will be doing this stuff better than NASA I think. Also I don't see why they just plan on sending one single rover...send a small army of them!

Go private enterprise! Let's fvck up new, untouched biological systems on Mars, just like we have done on Earth! (Yay, 15000 species on the "rare and endangered" "soon to be extinct" list!)
 

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Well, as a former head of NASA said :

Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe.
Dan Quayle
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: gutharius
Wow. just imagine finding dna similar to that found here on earth. Which would suggest a link between the two... So much for the God theory! Just WOW!
Not sure how that follows... Care to enlighten me?
Originally posted by: Velk
Well, as a former head of NASA said :
Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe.
Dan Quayle
Haha... That seriously sounds like something the Simpsons would have a guest star say on the show. Good old Indiana boy, that Quayle!
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Does anyone here believe that the discovery of life on Mars will deliver a mortal blow to Christian fundamentalists, as well as other fundamentalist forms of religion? Ideally, all religion should go the way of the dodo, but that would be too good to be true.

No. They will just say God put it there to test our faith. Same old same old.

Not reall.y I would love to see life on Mars, and I would still beleive in God. Finding life elsewhere is not a sign that god doesn't exist. Since when did it say we were the only creatures every made?


That DNA would be common makes sense from a biochemical POV. There isn't another molecule we have ever seen that does what it does. If there is metabolism producing methane, then there must be similar biochemical pathways. What I would be interested in seeing is the structure of this organism. Is it prokaryotic? Eukaryotic? Something unimagined? What about cellular apparatus? Mitochondria?

It would be insanely interesting to find something aside from DNA that works in a similar fashion. Imagine something other than ATP being used for energy...or proteins being assembeld from R forms of amino acids(in nature ONLY L forms assemble into Proteins...well that I know of since there are always exceptions )...even something like that would be absolutely amazing because maybe it'll provide insight into WHY some things on earth are the way they are vs other reasons.

I would guess though that if life exists on mars...chances are it is there because of us Although to be trapped under bed of rock might be a different story. But for those arguing against private ventures~~~just by going there we have contaminated it in ways we probably cannot even fathom right now
 

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the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one....but still they come!
 
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