Scientific evidence now points to global cooling, contrary to U.N. alarmism

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Among other friends, I spend quite a bit of time with researchers at or associated with NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.) A couple of nights ago I was having dinner with three of them and I decided to conduct an informal poll as to whether they thought climate change is anthropogenic (man-made) and to my surprise all three said that they highly doubted it. The discussion that followed was technical in the extreme but none of the arguments was for human caused climate change.

Now, a dinner discussion is not a sign of scientific consensus, but doesn't it seem as though we are seeing almost daily reports of scientists, not politicians, debunking the entire concept of anthropogenic climate change and even more astonishingly, arguing that the Earth is entering a period of global cooling?

Up until now, critics of the Waxman-Markey bill inside and outside of Congress have focused mostly on the severe economic costs of emission caps. During the August recess, it might be helpful to ask members why they continue to pursue regulatory schemes unattached to what new scientific data now shows.

I believe this is a very, very good idea!

Scientific evidence now points to global cooling, contrary to U.N. alarmism
By: Kevin Mooney
Commentary Staff Writer
The Washington Examiner
08/04/09 3:51 PM EDT

Scientific evidence now points to global cooling

Opponents of the Waxman-Markey ?cap and trade? bill would do well to invoke recent scientific studies that show global surface temperatures have not increased since 1998, contrary to what climate models have predicted.

U.S. policymakers who cite ?consensus? on man-made global warming as justification for anti-emission regulations are relying upon outdated and misleading material from the United Nations that deliberately omits the influence of natural forces, according to climate skeptics. In fact, a growing body of evidence now points to the emergence of another cooling cycle that could persist for decades.

Dr. Don Easterbrook, a geologist and professor emeritus at Western Washington University, has presented data that shows a cooler and wetter climate is in order for the next 25 to 30 years. The Pacific Ocean has a warm temperature mode and a cool temperature mode known as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation or PDO, he said in a recent study.

The shift away from a cooling cycle in 1945 triggered several decades of warming that ended in 1998, according to the study. However, the PDO has now reverted back over to a cool mode, Easterbrook has concluded. This data raises questions about the reliability of models used by the United Nations International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Easterbrook has said. This U.N. prediction of global temperatures 1° F warmer by 2011 and 2° F by 2038 appear to be very much off track.

Meanwhile, some scientists are convinced earth could experience more than just cooling over the next few decades. Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics with the National Autonomous University of Mexico sees evidence that points to the onset of a ?little ice age? in about 10 years that could last for much of the 21st Century. The IPPC models are not correct because they do not take into account natural factors like solar activity, he said in a lecture.

This view is also advanced in a paper published by the Astronomical Society of Australia. The authors anticipate that sun?s activity will diminish significantly over the next few decades.

Up until now, critics of the Waxman-Markey bill inside and outside of Congress have focused mostly on the severe economic costs of emission caps. During the August recess, it might be helpful to ask members why they continue to pursue regulatory schemes unattached to what new scientific data now shows.
 

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It is not just in the U.S. that there is a growing scientific skepticism about the role that politics is playing in the debate about climate change and the costs of regulatory programs like Waxman-Markey that, in effect, are costly in the extreme for absolutely no benefit.

More than 60 prominent German scientists have just publicly declared their dissent from man-made global warming fears in an Open Letter to German Chancellor Angela Merkel. The more than 60 signers of the letter include several United Nations IPCC scientists.

The scientists declared that global warming has become a ?pseudo religion? and they noted that rising CO2 has ?had no measurable effect? on temperatures. The German scientists, also wrote that the ?UN IPCC has lost its scientific credibility.?

Full Text Of Translated Letter By 60 Plus German Scientists

German version available here, includes the full list of signatories:

German Version

English translated version available here, abbreviated signatories list:

English Version

Open Letter ? Climate Change

Bundeskanzleramt
Frau Bundeskanzerlin Dr. Angela Merkel
Willy-Brandt-Strabe 1
10557 Berlin

Vizerprasident
Dipl. Ing. Michael Limburg
14476 Grob Glienicke
Richard-Wagner-Str. 5a

E-mail: limburg@grafik-system.de

Grob Glienicke 26.07.09

To the attention of the Honorable Madam Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany

When one studies history, one learns that the development of societies is often determined by a zeitgeist, which at times had detrimental or even horrific results for humanity. History tells us time and again that political leaders often have made poor decisions because they followed the advice of advisors who were incompetent or ideologues and failed to recognize it in time. Moreover evolution also shows that natural development took a wide variety of paths with most of them leading to dead ends. No era is immune from repeating the mistakes of the past.

Politicians often launch their careers using a topic that allows them to stand out. Earlier as Minister of the Environment you legitimately did this as well by assigning a high priority to climate change. But in doing so you committed an error that has since led to much damage, something that should have never happened, especially given the fact you are a physicist. You confirmed that climate change is caused by human activity and have made it a primary objective to implement expensive strategies to reduce the so-called greenhouse gas CO2. You have done so without first having a real discussion to check whether early temperature measurements and a host of other climate related facts even justify it.

A real comprehensive study, whose value would have been absolutely essential, would have shown, even before the IPCC was founded, that humans have had no measurable effect on global warming through CO2 emissions. Instead the temperature fluctuations have been within normal ranges and are due to natural cycles. Indeed the atmosphere has not warmed since 1998 ? more than 10 years, and the global temperature has even dropped significantly since 2003.

Not one of the many extremely expensive climate models predicted this. According to the IPCC, it was supposed to have gotten steadily warmer, but just the opposite has occurred.

More importantly, there's a growing body of evidence showing anthropogenic CO2 plays no measurable role. Indeed CO2's capability to absorb radiation is almost exhausted by today's atmospheric concentrations. If CO2 did indeed have an effect and all fossil fuels were burned, then additional warming over the long term would in fact remain limited to only a few tenths of a degree.

The IPCC had to have been aware of this fact, but completely ignored it during its studies of 160 years of temperature measurements and 150 years of determined CO2 levels. As a result the IPCC has lost its scientific credibility. The main points on this subject are included in the accompanying addendum.

In the meantime, the belief of climate change, and that it is manmade, has become a pseudo-religion. Its proponents, without thought, pillory independent and fact-based analysts and experts, many of whom are the best and brightest of the international scientific community. Fortunately in the internet it is possible to find numerous scientific works that show in detail there is no anthropogenic CO2 caused climate change. If it was not for the internet, climate realists would hardly be able to make their voices heard. Rarely do their critical views get published.

The German media has sadly taken a leading position in refusing to publicize views that are critical of anthropogenic global warming. For example, at the second International Climate Realist Conference on Climate in New York last March, approximately 800 leading scientists attended, some of whom are among the world's best climatologists or specialists in related fields. While the US media and only the Wiener Zeitung (Vienna daily) covered the event, here in Germany the press, public television and radio shut it out. It is indeed unfortunate how our media have developed - under earlier dictatorships the media were told what was not worth reporting. But today they know it without getting instructions.

Do you not believe, Madam Chancellor, that science entails more than just confirming a hypothesis, but also involves testing to see if the opposite better explains reality? We strongly urge you to reconsider your position on this subject and to convene an impartial panel for the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, one that is free of ideology, and where controversial arguments can be openly debated. We the undersigned would very much like to offer support in this regard.

Respectfully yours,

Prof. Dr.rer.nat. Friedrich-Karl Ewert EIKE
Diplom-Geologe
Universität. - GH - Paderborn, Abt. Höxter (ret.)

#

Dr. Holger Thuß
EIKE President
European Institute for Climate and Energy

http://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/
 

BarrySotero

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The German group is interesting for the sense of danger they convey:

"When one studies history, one learns that the development of societies is often determined by a zeitgeist, which at times had detrimental or even horrific results for humanity. History tells us time and again that political leaders often have made poor decisions because they followed the advice of advisors who were incompetent or ideologues and failed to recognize it in time. Moreover evolution also shows that natural development took a wide variety of paths with most of them leading to dead ends. No era is immune from repeating the mistakes of the past."

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=3815

I have said all along the political abuse of environmental pseudo-science has a lot in common with abuse of genetics circa 1930's
 

dphantom

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You do realize the reasons that will given is that this is the very result of man-made global warming and points out the urgency of eliminating carbon output into the atmosphere.

 

Patranus

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Why do you think the "environmentalists" now call it "climate change"?

"Climate Change" - brought to you by the same people that brought you such successes as MTBE.
 

Drako

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Originally posted by: dphantom
You do realize the reasons that will given is that this is the very result of man-made global warming and points out the urgency of eliminating carbon output into the atmosphere.


Indeed, and we will start seeing stories about the extintion of African Elephants from the cold.

 

themusgrat

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NASA came out with a study like 6 months ago that predicted a massive global cooldown in the next 200 years or something like that. Anyone who knows their stuff about the environment knows that man is almost irrelivant to it, and the climate naturally shifts. Most reasonable scientists said this all along. The ones who wanted to get their name into the news however, said shit like "watch out, the world will keep heating up with all the stuff we're putting in until it overheats and we all die!!!" Or something to that effect. If you ever looked at the actual statistics, things like the climate and ozone vary every year with very little correlation with what man is doing to harm/help the environment.

But this doesn't mean that we get a free card. We do still have a natural responsibility to our world to always be looking to improve our effect on the earth to be as unnoticeable as possible. All this means is that we're not at the point that some claimed, that we would be the end of the world with all our manmade chemicals and whatnot.
 

Genx87

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Anybody living in the upper plains, more specifically MN knows we have had bitter winters and mild summers the last 3 years. I really enjoyed the 65 and 30 MPH winds last weekend at the lake. Wearing a late fall jacket in the first weekend of August is not what I call a good time. Our winters have been brutal and longer than usual. This year was a little better but in 2008 we had 40s and 50 into early May and some places up north were still iced in for fishing opener.
 

Lemon law

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We must understand that the global temperature in any given year is linked to solar output, which in turn is linked to the amount of sunspot activity which mainly follows a 11 year cycle. And this year has been notable for a lack of sunspot activity. Which means things are cooling down, at least this year.

But I dismiss any scientists who try to correlate global warming to only CO2 content in the atmosphere, because the problem of global warming is far more complex than that, and anyone who thinks the problem is understood only fools themselves.

What we have now is unprecedented in the last 150,000 years, with both polar icecaps melting, meanwhile methane is bumbling out of peramafrosts with methane being 17 times as effective as CO2 as a greenhouse gas, and huge ocean deposits of methane hydrates are in danger of bubbling out.

Anyone who looks at a few years of low sun spot activity as a reprieve is being wildly overoptimistic.
 

daniel49

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Man made Global warming is garbage. which as someone else said is the reason you now hear only the term climate change that way whichever way the climate swings in its natural state, it is still a crisis in need of trillions of your tax dollars. And allows Govt to control your lives more with new legislation to meet the crisis.
 

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Originally posted by: daniel49
Man made Global warming is garbage. which as someone else said is the reason you now hear only the term climate change that way whichever way the climate swings in its natural state, it is still a crisis in need of trillions of your tax dollars. And allows Govt to control your lives more with new legislation to meet the crisis.

yep. Al Gore stands to make millions with his interest in carbon credit exchanges. Though I'm sure he plans to give the profits to charity.....
 

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What I find interesting is that you guys want policymakers to use single studies to base their decisions on instead of hundreds if not thousands of them. Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with you cherry-picking science that agrees with your already held viewpoint?

I haven't read the study yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it does not refute the basic premise of global warming.
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
What I find interesting is that you guys want policymakers to use single studies to base their decisions on instead of hundreds if not thousands of them. Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with you cherry-picking science that agrees with your already held viewpoint?

I haven't read the study yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it does not refute the basic premise of global warming.

If you haven't read it yet , then you should sign it.
This would qualify you for congress, and give you secure employment for 4 years.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: eskimospy
What I find interesting is that you guys want policymakers to use single studies to base their decisions on instead of hundreds if not thousands of them. Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with you cherry-picking science that agrees with your already held viewpoint?

I haven't read the study yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it does not refute the basic premise of global warming.

If you haven't read it yet , then you should sign it.
This would qualify you for congress, and give you secure employment for 4 years.

Good job on saying something dumb.
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
We must understand that the global temperature in any given year is linked to solar output, which in turn is linked to the amount of sunspot activity which mainly follows a 11 year cycle. And this year has been notable for a lack of sunspot activity. Which means things are cooling down, at least this year.

But I dismiss any scientists who try to correlate global warming to only CO2 content in the atmosphere, because the problem of global warming is far more complex than that, and anyone who thinks the problem is understood only fools themselves.

What we have now is unprecedented in the last 150,000 years, with both polar icecaps melting, meanwhile methane is bumbling out of peramafrosts with methane being 17 times as effective as CO2 as a greenhouse gas, and huge ocean deposits of methane hydrates are in danger of bubbling out.

Anyone who looks at a few years of low sun spot activity as a reprieve is being wildly overoptimistic.

So, then you didn't read the link I guess? It was mostly referring to the PDO.
 

themusgrat

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Pray tell me what you think the basic premise of global warming is? I think it will be very revealing in one way or another.

Anyways, nobody is arguing against climate change, we're just arguing with the notion that man is the evil maker of climate change. The fact that the world is getting warmer right now is often used to scare people into one thing or another. There's loads of evidence that proves that the world regularly goes through climate change (ice age II anyone?), and there's very little if any evidence that links man made products with climate change. In every way, we lack the necessary perspective to be able to have objective thoughts on how much impact we've had on the climate. We've been monitoring the temperature and ozone levels for a very, very short period of time in the grand scheme of things, so we really don't know at all what all of this means. The only thing we can do is guess. That's all anyone ever does. Sure you can predict that the world will heat or cool and you might be right, but nobody really has any idea as to exactly why. All we know is some of the variables, not how they work together.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
What I find interesting is that you guys want policymakers to use single studies to base their decisions on instead of hundreds if not thousands of them. Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with you cherry-picking science that agrees with your already held viewpoint?

I haven't read the study yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it does not refute the basic premise of global warming.

Well, I think saying "the globe isn't warming, it's cooling," is a basic refutation of the theory that the globe is warming.
 

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It doesn't matter what Bob or Pete or Alf think about global warming. The consensus of the scientific community is that it is real. It doesn't matter what the nut case right wants to think. It doesn't matter what fossile energy companies want weak minds to believe. It doesn't matter if Gore makes billions. The fact of the matter is that the scientific concensus is that Global warming is real. It doesn't mattter that a bunch of scientists disagree. The scientific consensus is that global warming is real. As long as the consensus among scientists that global warming is real the science says it's real.

All the idiots who wish to say the earth is flat can say it's flat for all eternity and they can shout it out of their ass but it will not alter the scientific consensus that it isn't.

I have reason to believe that gravity is wrong and I invite all you minority theorists to jump out of a building because it's what you assholes are asking me to do. Fuck your stupid shit ass opinions. I don't want the human race to die because of shit head contrarians like you.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: eskimospy
What I find interesting is that you guys want policymakers to use single studies to base their decisions on instead of hundreds if not thousands of them. Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with you cherry-picking science that agrees with your already held viewpoint?

I haven't read the study yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it does not refute the basic premise of global warming.

If you haven't read it yet , then you should sign it.
This would qualify you for congress, and give you secure employment for 4 years.

Back to civics class ...
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: eskimospy
What I find interesting is that you guys want policymakers to use single studies to base their decisions on instead of hundreds if not thousands of them. Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with you cherry-picking science that agrees with your already held viewpoint?

I haven't read the study yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it does not refute the basic premise of global warming.

Well, I think saying "the globe isn't warming, it's cooling," is a basic refutation of the theory that the globe is warming.

It's not a refutation at all, it's a god damned minority opinion, a minority opinion over a politicized issue an issue so politicized that you can bet politics will trump reason for many people. In fact, let me give you blithering idiots a sample of your own thinking: Scientists who think global warming is false almost all Republicans, Christian fundamentalists, and on the pay of the fossil fuel companies. They are all a bunch of lying hypocrites.
 
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