Scots-Irish influence on the Deep South and American racism?

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dawp

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Er...well, it's an alternative interpretation of the facts. More serious than the Bowling Green massacre.

Watch a Presidential inaugeration and you find yourself expecting a giant animated foot to come down and squish the President.
we can only hope, with a raspberry when he get squished.
 

IronWing

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I haven't even followed the Wikipedia link, but - and I could be wrong - I thought the Ulster Scots in the US were those guys in the Appalachians? (are they called 'hill billies' or is that derogatory?). I didn't think they had the power to make the whole US racist...they seem to be among the least powerful white people in the whole country.

It's absurd to blame US racism on one small ethnic group. It took a nation of millions to make racism what it was/is. I doubt 'anti-government' or 'pro-gun' sentiment is down to them either. Seems to me those things owe much more to the violent disspossesion of the original inhabitants, the long-lasting racial consequences of slavery, plus the sheer size of the country.

What I have heard, though, is that Ulster Scots played a significant and specific role in the British Empire - mainly they provided a disproportionate share of the colonial police and intelligence-gathering forces that helped keep down the natives in India and Africa.
When the Scots Irish moved to Texas and the west, they did their best to bring slavery and their racism with them. Certainly there was plenty of racism to go around but the Scots Irish did play a significant role in expanding white/anglo supremacy.
 

Engineer

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Is this why Paul Ryan proposed legislation to let more Irish (his roots) immigrants into the US legally? Hmmmmm......

Now we know why Ryan acted the way he did????
 

pmv

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pmv

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When the Scots Irish moved to Texas and the west, they did their best to bring slavery and their racism with them. Certainly there was plenty of racism to go around but the Scots Irish did play a significant role in expanding white/anglo supremacy.

I don't have the knowledge to dispute that, so I have to concede there may well be truth in it. In general though I don't see racism as something spread by individuals with bad attitudes, it seems to me to have more structural social/economic causes.

Scots in general were significant participants in the slave system. I believe when slavery was outlawed and the British government paid compensation - not to the former slaves but to the former slave-owners - the majority of it went to Scots. This relates to a pet peeve of mine about how some Scots nationalists sometimes try to evade all blame for the crimes of the British Empire. They participated in it like the rest of us. Don't know about Ulster Scots.
 

Jhhnn

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Er...well, it's an alternative interpretation of the facts. More serious than the Bowling Green massacre.

Watch a Presidential inaugeration and you find yourself expecting a giant animated foot to come down and squish the President.

Like Bambi meets Godzilla.
 

hal2kilo

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Was listening to Dixie (unofficial Confederate anthem) today. IMMEDIATELY noticed the similarity to a lot of Irish/Scottish music. Then I thought about how much influence the culture might have had and still has today in the US.

Looked at the Wikipedia page for Scotch-Irish Americans, which talked about how some of the cattle herding culture back in Ireland/Scotland bred a distrust for 'big gubberment' and created a strong 'right to arms' culture.

Heeeeeyyyy... wait a minute... ain't this pretty similar to the ideology of today's Republicans?
They were famously native American killers first.
 

John McCormack

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Is this why Paul Ryan proposed legislation to let more Irish (his roots) immigrants into the US legally? Hmmmmm......

Now we know why Ryan acted the way he did????
Again, like I stated in post #18, the Scots-Irish were Scottish, not Irish. They were originally known as Ulster Scots before they came to the U.S. (American Colonies).

Paul Ryan was Irish, not Scots-Irish (Ulster Scot) or Scottish. That's the mistake a lot of people of Scottish American ancestry make, a lot of them mistakenly think that they are Irish because of the misleading "Scots-Irish" label.
 
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