SCOTUS 4-4 on Obama's immigration executive action - killing it.

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fskimospy

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Courts disagreed with your argument. You lost.

I thought you were ignoring me?

Regardless, SCOTUS did not issue a ruling as they were deadlocked. Assuming Clinton wins this will be back before SCOTUS in short order with a fifth vote in favor of Obama's order.

Then I'll win.
 

werepossum

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So not only did you get called out for providing bullshit links, but work authorization isn't a taxpayer subsidy.

More importantly though, you said that this sort of discretionary enforcement was akin to a dictatorship. You have now shifted to an argument that it's about money. Justify your original statement in light of the fact that every law enforcement agency in history has done this without exception.

Either that or take the more rational stance of "of course Obama has the power to prioritize enforcement however I think it should be more limited than this". Whatever works for you!
I'm sorry, I am not fluent in idiot so I'm not phrasing it in a way you are capable of understanding. From my link:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rant-children/
A new State Department and Department of Homeland Security Program will fly immigrant children from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador to their parents in the U.S. for free.
Parents can apply to have their children picked up and flown over the border to them on the taxpayer’s dime, as long as they have some kind of legal immigration status, The Daily Caller reported Wednesday.
The program was created in response to a surge of unaccompanied Central American children making the perilous trek to illegally cross the U.S. border that began last summer.
Any permanent resident, parolee or illegal immigrant granted or in the process of being granted a work permit under President Barack Obama’s executive order or his deferred action policy, who have children under age 21 living in Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador can apply for the program, The Daily Caller reported.
If the application is approved, the child will be granted special refugee status and flown to the U.S. to receive “resettlement assistance” and will be eligible for taxpayer benefits. If the child has children of their own under 21 they can come into the U.S. too, along with parents of the child who is married to the applicant.
When it says “resettlement assistance”, that means taxpayer money for housing and living expenses. When it says "taxpayer benefits", that means benefits paid by the taxpayer. I have every faith that you can under- um, find someone to explain it so that you- um . . . I have every faith that you can find someone who understands this and can pat you on the head?

I never shifted my argument. The law says these people are not legally admittable and are to be deported if they sneak in. Obama has gone far beyond ignoring them; he is recognizing them, aiding them, even sending planes to bring them here. Effectively, he's helping the smugglers bring them in. There is absolutely no way you can equate that to Obama "prioritizing enforcement" - he is doing the exact opposite of the law. When you have a leader who openly does the exact opposite of the law and gets away with it, you are no longer a nation of laws. You are a nation under a dictator, where the man at the top rules by whim. Obama has been smacked down, but President Hillary, with one more SCOTUS appointment, could literally do anything she wishes and have our highest court sign off on it. Congratulations, you guys have almost succeeded in turning the greatest country on Earth into the richest banana republic.
 

werepossum

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I'd like for just one leftist to show an example where an America law enforcement agency "prioritized enforcement" on, say, rape by sending passenger planes to foreign nations to bring back planeloads of rapists.

Given that "every law enforcement agency in history has done this without exception", it surely can't be difficult.
 

buckshot24

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I thought you were ignoring me?

Regardless, SCOTUS did not issue a ruling as they were deadlocked. Assuming Clinton wins this will be back before SCOTUS in short order with a fifth vote in favor of Obama's order.

Then I'll win.
I said the courts, not the SCOTUS but you aren't very honest.
 

fskimospy

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I said the courts, not the SCOTUS but you aren't very honest.

So then I haven't actually lost, as it will certainly be revisited by the Supreme Court. Assuming Clinton wins, then I win. If you're ignoring this then you're either an idiot or you're deliberately omitting inconvenient information in an attempt to deceive. That is not moral and you should reconsider why you so consistently act in an immoral fashion.

By the way it is frankly pathetic how many times you have declared you are ignoring me only to then start replying to quoted text by me and then fall back into fully replying to me. If you're going to ignore someone then just do it. Don't flail in a pathetic attempt to get attention.
 

fskimospy

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I'd like for just one leftist to show an example where an America law enforcement agency "prioritized enforcement" on, say, rape by sending passenger planes to foreign nations to bring back planeloads of rapists.

Given that "every law enforcement agency in history has done this without exception", it surely can't be difficult.

Holy shit that has to be the stupidest and most disingenuous attempt at an 'example' I've ever seen in my life. You really are a fundamentally dishonest person.

Law enforcement agencies 'prioritize enforcement' by going after the most serious crimes with their resources. Similarly, prioritized enforcement for immigration focuses on immigrants who have committed serious crimes.

Jesus christ you're terrible.
 

FrankRamiro

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This should also be followed by punishing employers who hire undocumented workers with meaningful fines and after a few violations prison time...

If no one is hiring immigrants who arrive illegally then there will be much less motivation for them to come over.


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Men,you deserve 5 stars for your good advice ,but most Politicians don't have the guts to enforce the existing laws on Illegals that would put an end to illegals for good and would not need to deport anybody unless illegals would not go back by themselves.
if no jobs and free welfare support were available to them,they would leave and apply then for legal emigrant as it should be.
believe it or not the Emigrant office has tones of requests for a visa to come in USA legally they taking 13 years or more to allow these people to enter USA,
If is the fact that USA needs the work force just make it easy for these people that return to their Country to apply for a Visa in maybe 6 months or so, instead of the 13 years, this way USA would make money and people that are here illegal would return legal.
 

werepossum

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Holy shit that has to be the stupidest and most disingenuous attempt at an 'example' I've ever seen in my life. You really are a fundamentally dishonest person.

Law enforcement agencies 'prioritize enforcement' by going after the most serious crimes with their resources. Similarly, prioritized enforcement for immigration focuses on immigrants who have committed serious crimes.

Jesus christ you're terrible.
So you pick the crime and show us where any American law enforcement agency has "prioritized enforcement" for that crime by sending planes to foreign nations to bring in more people committing that same crime.

Given that "every law enforcement agency in history has done this without exception", it surely can't be difficult.
 

ivwshane

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So you pick the crime and show us where any American law enforcement agency has "prioritized enforcement" for that crime by sending planes to foreign nations to bring in more people committing that same crime.

Given that "every law enforcement agency in history has done this without exception", it surely can't be difficult.

Once again you are being dishonest.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/coming-to-america/
 

werepossum

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Even you and "fskimospy" can't honestly be stupid enough to believe that.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ing-illegal-immigrant-children-across-us.html
The Obama administration has spent at least $18.5 million to fly “unaccompanied children” caught crossing into the country illegally to locations inside the United States, according to newly obtained figures.

The numbers, shared with FoxNews.com by the Senate subcommittee on immigration, were provided by Immigration and Customs Enforcement in response to questions from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

The numbers shed light on the extent of a program that has drawn scrutiny not just from lawmakers but the federal courts, amid concerns the U.S. government is effectively aiding smugglers.

“This shows how fundamentally flawed our approach to immigration enforcement has been in the Obama administration,” a Senate aide who has seen the questions to and answers from ICE Director Sarah Saldana told FoxNews.com.

The administration, which continues to grapple with waves of Central American migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border and has gone to great lengths to ensure the safety of minors, has defended the practice as appropriate.

But it comes with a cost.

The ICE figures show that from June 8, 2014 to Sept. 30, 2015, ICE spent $4.8 million on charter flights for the children (ICE could not provide figures before that period). From March 2009 to Sept. 30, 2015, ICE spent $13.7 million on commercial flights for unaccompanied minors utilizing funds appropriated to ICE.

In total, the cost reaches at least $18.5 million.
To believe Factcheck, one must accept that Obama spent $32,743 PER CHILD flying them in. Even the federal government can't waste that kind of money.

In any case, the courts just shut down Obama for overstepping his Presidential authority. Again, even the very dimmest bulb can understand that continuing a program in place for 36 years is not what he has been doing.

EDIT: Since I'm working with dense material here:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/4/state-dept-program-would-fly-in-immigrant-children/
A new State Department and Department of Homeland Security Program will fly immigrant children from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador to their parents in the U.S. for free.
Parents can apply to have their children picked up and flown over the border to them on the taxpayer’s dime, as long as they have some kind of legal immigration status, The Daily Caller reported Wednesday.
The program was created in response to a surge of unaccompanied Central American children making the perilous trek to illegally cross the U.S. border that began last summer.
Any permanent resident, parolee or illegal immigrant granted or in the process of being granted a work permit under President Barack Obama’s executive order or his deferred action policy, who have children under age 21 living in Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador can apply for the program, The Daily Caller reported.
If the application is approved, the child will be granted special refugee status and flown to the U.S. to receive “resettlement assistance” and will be eligible for taxpayer benefits. If the child has children of their own under 21 they can come into the U.S. too, along with parents of the child who is married to the applicant.
 
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ivwshane

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You've become a dumb mother-fer.

The plane costs are not paid by the government according to the article I posted.

The courts didn't rule on Obama overstepping his authority. You simply don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Go take your damn meds!

Even you and "fskimospy" can't honestly be stupid enough to believe that.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ing-illegal-immigrant-children-across-us.html

To believe Factcheck, one must accept that Obama spent $32,743 PER CHILD flying them in. Even the federal government can't waste that kind of money.

In any case, the courts just shut down Obama for overstepping his Presidential authority. Again, even the very dimmest bulb can understand that continuing a program in place for 36 years is not what he has been doing.

EDIT: Since I'm working with dense material here:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/4/state-dept-program-would-fly-in-immigrant-children/
 

werepossum

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You've become a dumb mother-fer.

The plane costs are not paid by the government according to the article I posted.

The courts didn't rule on Obama overstepping his authority. You simply don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Go take your damn meds!
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/u...r-challenge-to-obama-immigration-actions.html
Fourteen months ago, Mr. Obama ordered the creation of a program intended to allow as many as five million illegal immigrants who are the parents of citizens or of lawful permanent residents to apply for a program sparing them from deportation and providing them work permits. The program was called Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, or DAPA.

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The president has said he took the step after years of frustration with Republicans in Congress who had repeatedly refused to support bipartisan Senate legislation to update immigration laws. In an Oval Office address just before Thanksgiving in 2014, Mr. Obama excoriated Republicans for refusing to cooperate and told millions of illegal immigrants, “You can come out of the shadows.”

But the president’s promise has gone unfulfilled. A coalition of 26 states, led by Mr. Paxton, a Republican, quickly filed a lawsuit accusing the president of ignoring federal procedures for changing rules and of abusing the power of his office by sidestepping Congress.

White House officials said they were pleased by the court’s decision to hear their case, and they expressed optimism that the justices would eventually clear the way for the president’s actions to be carried out.

“The policies will make our communities safer. They will make our economy stronger,” said Brandi Hoffine, an assistant White House press secretary. “They are consistent with the actions taken by presidents of both parties, the laws passed by Congress, and the decisions of the Supreme Court. We are confident that the policies will be upheld as lawful.”

Last February, Judge Andrew S. Hanen of Federal District Court in Brownsville, Tex., entered a preliminary injunction shutting down the program while the legal case proceeded. The government appealed, and on Nov. 9 a divided three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, in New Orleans, affirmed the injunction.

The Supreme Court decision:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/us/supreme-court-immigration-obama-dapa.html
The decision was just nine words long: “The judgment is affirmed by an equally divided court.”

President Obama overturned extant immigration law by executive order. A federal judge stopped the program. A three-judge panel of the Fifth Circuit appeals court affirmed that injunction. The Supreme Court did not overturn the injunction.
 
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Jeez, as a conservative I find that my own party's backwardsass is wrong al ot of times, but I'm totally surprised how this is a 4-4 ruling. Too bad this isn't an actual ruling/decision that sets precedent. I'd love to see how the 4 judges who supported Obama's actions could write their opinion... this is absolute bullshit.

As a minority whose parents came here legally, our immigration situation is a disaster. I can't believe we allow people to come into this country so easily and yet do nothing when someone breaks the law. It's sad when enforcing the law gets you labeled a racist.
 

Balt

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When things don't go his way, Cameron resigns. Obama, not so much.

208 days left.

I hope you're aware of what a silly comparison that is. We have an independently elected president, not a prime minister chosen by a parliament who is subject to a vote of no confidence.
 

ivwshane

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I hope you're aware of what a silly comparison that is. We have an independently elected president, not a prime minister chosen by a parliament who is subject to a vote of no confidence.

You must not be familiar with boomerang. He's one of those posters who likes to drop a duce and run. Facts don't matter to him, he's all about conspiracies to maintain his little bubble.
 
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Jeez, as a conservative I find that my own party's backwardsass is wrong al ot of times, but I'm totally surprised how this is a 4-4 ruling. Too bad this isn't an actual ruling/decision that sets precedent. I'd love to see how the 4 judges who supported Obama's actions could write their opinion... this is absolute bullshit.

As a minority whose parents came here legally, our immigration situation is a disaster. I can't believe we allow people to come into this country so easily and yet do nothing when someone breaks the law. It's sad when enforcing the law gets you labeled a racist.

We have a history of rewarding people who don't work, people who don't try, people that do illegal actions - and we prop all of the issues on the shoulders of the middle class. Enjoy your stay, by the way - keep working hard in the middle class, don't try to ride the gravy train like the rest of us.
 
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