SCOTUS Nomination Thread

[TheVrolok]

I am an anti-establishment man. I am fucking tired of the UniParty. I am fucking tired of "free trade" pacts that end up fucking us over. I am also tired of illegals. And I am tired of politicians that sell us out repeatedly.

I was at a work conference (finance) last week. I would say at least 2/3-3/4 of the people I talked to were Trump people. These are highly educated, highly successful, very motivated, people. If you ask them sober in a mixed crowd, they won't admit it. When you figure out the truth, you know.

People are getting very tired of the UniParty.

I think part of the problem is that Americans have been pacified by this BS for the last 70 years. Wedge issues and "free trade" bullshit and the effects are telling.

More recent angry personality? I always have had an angry personality. lol.

I guess what I wonder about the most, is that do you earnestly believe Trump will be different or actually act on anything he is currently saying? He is obviously not building a wall (and it is very likely he's already said that off the record), he's already been caught completely lying and completely without fact. He's obviously full of shit with what he's saying. What makes that any better? You just prefer his bullshit to the "establishment" BS because it's different BS?

Honestly, I'm not even convinced Trump would be a terrible president (and I'm a moderate Democrat) because I think he's significantly more socially moderate (or even progressive) than he is currently pretending to be. I also think he's a smart guy as evidenced by how he's completely fooled much of the country. I just don't think he's presidential material. I also don't think he'll win, but it certainly would be an interesting experiment.

 

[LegendKiller]

I guess what I wonder about the most, is that do you earnestly believe Trump will be different or actually act on anything he is currently saying? He is obviously not building a wall (and it is very likely he's already said that off the record), he's already been caught completely lying and completely without fact. He's obviously full of shit with what he's saying. What makes that any better? You just prefer his bullshit to the "establishment" BS because it's different BS?

Honestly, I'm not even convinced Trump would be a terrible president (and I'm a moderate Democrat) because I think he's significantly more socially moderate (or even progressive) than he is currently pretending to be. I also think he's a smart guy as evidenced by how he's completely fooled much of the country. I just don't think he's presidential material. I also don't think he'll win, but it certainly would be an interesting experiment.

And there is the problem. He hasn't fooled the country. They have reprioritized their needs. Maslow's hierarchy of political needs no longer means what it used to.


Even if he does 5% of what he says it is a lot more than most.

Also, I don't believe he will do nothing. Think of this, the establishment rs are to the point they are willing to accept a cruz nomination and loss than a trump nomination and win.

I think both factions of the Uniparty are scared shit less he will actually do even 5% of what he says. If he gave them private assurances he'd do nothing they wouldn't be trying to hard to take him down with everything they have.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump will NOT be your next president, period. His unfavorables are far too large.

 

[nickqt]

I am an anti-establishment man. I am fucking tired of the UniParty. I am fucking tired of "free trade" pacts that end up fucking us over. I am also tired of illegals. And I am tired of politicians that sell us out repeatedly.

I was at a work conference (finance) last week. I would say at least 2/3-3/4 of the people I talked to were Trump people. These are highly educated, highly successful, very motivated, people. If you ask them sober in a mixed crowd, they won't admit it. When you figure out the truth, you know.

People are getting very tired of the UniParty.

I think part of the problem is that Americans have been pacified by this BS for the last 70 years. Wedge issues and "free trade" bullshit and the effects are telling.

More recent angry personality? I always have had an angry personality. lol.

The last thing this country needs is highly successful financiers in charge of government policy. The financial sector needs to get neutered and put into a straight jacket, not in any specific order.

Sticking a marketing conman at the head of government will accomplish that about as much as letting Mitt Rmoney and John Ellis Bush continue cutting taxes for the richest people in the solar system, so that eventually that rising tide will do more than just lift all yachts while sinking everyone else's lifeboat.

 

[LegendKiller]

The last thing this country needs is highly successful financiers in charge of government policy. The financial sector needs to get neutered and put into a straight jacket, not in any specific order.

Sticking a marketing conman at the head of government will accomplish that about as much as letting Mitt Rmoney and John Ellis Bush continue cutting taxes for the richest people in the solar system, so that eventually that rising tide will do more than just lift all yachts while sinking everyone else's lifeboat.

There is nothing wrong with the financial sector that breaking up the banks can't fix.

 

[dawheat]

And there is the problem. He hasn't fooled the country. They have reprioritized their needs. Maslow's hierarchy of political needs no longer means what it used to.


Even if he does 5% of what he says it is a lot more than most.

Also, I don't believe he will do nothing. Think of this, the establishment rs are to the point they are willing to accept a cruz nomination and loss than a trump nomination and win.

I think both factions of the Uniparty are scared shit less he will actually do even 5% of what he says. If he gave them private assurances he'd do nothing they wouldn't be trying to hard to take him down with everything they have.

Honestly not a single person knows what he'll actually do if elected President b/c he says whatever he needs to appeal to his current audience. It's amazing how many "smart people" you know have taken it hook, line, and sinker - if someone approached them with the same lack of credibility in a purely business context, they'd probably be laughed out the room. Yet you turn off your brain because someone is telling you what you want to hear right now.

 

[JEDI]

Trump will NOT be your next president, period. His unfavorables are far too large.

don't know... if Hilary gets indicted and it's Trump vs Bernie...

 

[LegendKiller]

Honestly not a single person knows what he'll actually do if elected President b/c he says whatever he needs to appeal to his current audience. It's amazing how many "smart people" you know have taken it hook, line, and sinker - if someone approached them with the same lack of credibility in a purely business context, they'd probably be laughed out the room. Yet you turn off your brain because someone is telling you what you want to hear right now.

I which candidate tells the truth? Which Is equivalent to Honest Abe?

What amazes me is that we believe any of these clowns. Any of them.

Hope and change? Unemployment among blacks is terrible. Obama hasn't given a fuck for them since forever. Sure, decry police violence and let in more direct competitors for the same low skill jobs, illegally. Don't change crime laws. Don't offer a works program.

What about billary? He was a fucking mess. His crime laws started the incarceration of half the black population. His trade pacts, financial laws, and other laws have fucked the middle class and led to the financial crisis.

Bush senior? Started the nafta bullshit..

Raygun? Debt and spend supply side bullshit.

So, who, exactly s less believable when it comes to trusting somebody to tell the truth and do what is good for this country. Because how I see it we haven't been told the truth, nor have had any ledges do what it is right for 30+ years.

How is trump any worse?

 

[fskimospy]

I which candidate tells the truth? Which Is equivalent to Honest Abe?

What amazes me is that we believe any of these clowns. Any of them.

Hope and change? Unemployment among blacks is terrible. Obama hasn't given a fuck for them since forever. Sure, decry police violence and let in more direct competitors for the same low skill jobs, illegally. Don't change crime laws. Don't offer a works program.

What about billary? He was a fucking mess. His crime laws started the incarceration of half the black population. His trade pacts, financial laws, and other laws have fucked the middle class and led to the financial crisis.

Bush senior? Started the nafta bullshit..

Raygun? Debt and spend supply side bullshit.

So, who, exactly s less believable when it comes to trusting somebody to tell the truth and do what is good for this country. Because how I see it we haven't been told the truth, nor have had any ledges do what it is right for 30+ years.

How is trump any worse?

But almost nothing you just wrote there was quantifiable, and the things you wrote that could be quantified were mostly wrong. Obama offered one of the largest works programs the country has ever seen. Congress wouldn't pass another, despite his repeated attempts to do so. The Clinton crime bill wasn't the cause of mass incarceration of black people, etc. (state policy caused that)

How is Trump worse? Every politician says things that they don't end up doing. Trump is worse in that what he has said so far is SO unrealistic that either he would be either the most shameless liar ever to occupy the office or, more frighteningly, he might be just as clueless as he appears. I mean he's still talking about a trade war with China over imagined undervalued currency. Is he this dumb or is he this dishonest? Either way, who would support that?

 

[Paratus]

So this was a thing that happened at a Trump Rally:

Trump asks his supporters to raise right hand and pledge their support

On Saturday, Donald Trump led a rally of supporters to raise their right hands and take a pledge that they would vote for him. “Let’s do a pledge. Who likes me in this room?” Trump asked the crowd at a rally in Orlando, Florida, which was frequently interrupted by protesters. “I’ve never done this before. Can I have a pledge? A swearing? Raise your right hand.”

The Republican presidential front-runner then proceeded to get the audience to repeat after him. “I do solemnly swear that I, no matter how I feel, no matter what the conditions, if there are hurricanes or whatever, will vote on or before the 12th for Donald J. Trump for president.”....

Seems to go along with what Louis C.K.was saying. :hmm:

(the above is my personal opinion)

 

[TeeJay1952]

If you need to remodel your bathroom, you do not burn down the house.
Trump is a house afire IMHO!
Don't forget the benefits of working together.

 

[Blackjack200]

So this was a thing that happened at a Trump Rally:

Trump asks his supporters to raise right hand and pledge their support



Seems to go along with what Louis C.K.was saying. :hmm:

(the above is my personal opinion)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So this was a thing that happened at a Trump Rally:

Trump asks his supporters to raise right hand and pledge their support



Seems to go along with what Louis C.K.was saying. :hmm:

(the above is my personal opinion)

I'm not a Trump supporter but I'll cut Trump some slack on this. I could easily see myself making the same mistake asking people to raise their right hand and not doing it yourself so they can mimic. If he does it after today and it happens again I'll say he is wrong.

Still a humorous picture thanks for posting it.

 

[dank69]

yeah, Obama's chilling in the White House with a large shit-eating grin these days, just biding his time.

I would not be surprised if that little opposition summit they had in the WH yesterday went over these exact contingencies.

Turtle came out after with the same stance: We will not vote on a nomination during this presidency. This leads me to think that they let Obama know, in no uncertain terms, that Trump will not be their nominee, whatever happens. Don't know how they can pull that off right now, though, without destroying the party. ....face it, the GOp is wrecked anyway. They pigeonhole their golden boy Rubio into the spot, Trump will absolutely run 3rd party, assuring democrat victory.

....but what would be hilarious is if Bernie jumps in 3rd party as well. So 2 independents and 2 party-supported puppets. That would be fascinating.

I can't imagine Bernie doing that. He can do more good as a Senator with Hillary in the WH than he can as a Senator with a Republican in the WH.

 

[trenchfoot]

So this was a thing that happened at a Trump Rally:

Trump asks his supporters to raise right hand and pledge their support



Seems to go along with what Louis C.K.was saying. :hmm:

(the above is my personal opinion)

Actually, I'm rather surprised that they knew which hand to raise.

Would've been funny as hell if Trump asked them to raise their left hands instead.

 

[zinfamous]

So this was a thing that happened at a Trump Rally:

Trump asks his supporters to raise right hand and pledge their support

:hmm:

Is this the moment where we started to realize that Drumpf really is just doing it for the lulz?

Makes you wonder if he goes back to his green room after every rally, snickers with his aids, and makes the same proclamations night after night:

Drumpf: "And so I rambled on about polls this and polls that, openly talking to myself about groups of people that I like, ones that I don't don't--completely ignored any suggestion whatsoever about policy, and just droned on about polls..."

Aids: "yep, we saw that. Like, every night"

Drump: " yeha yeah, of course...and so like, they all just clapped and cheered! It was terrific!"

Aids; "Yeah, that was great! Like every night!"

Drumpf: "So did you guys see the part tonight--and this was totally off the cuff, I know, departing from the script is bad--but did you see it?"

Aids; "What do you mean? when we were playing Angry Birds or looking at polls?"

Drumpf: "Oh, so I think you missed it...so like, I asked everyone to make a pledge!" [snickers]

Aids: "Really? no you didn't..."

Drumpf: "Yeah! So like, I requested everyone to raise their right hands, and repeat a pledge to stand by me, and trust me, and do exactly what I say!"

Aids: "No...way!"

Drumpf: "Yeah! It was terrific! And the press got some photos. They all look like fucking Nazis! This is going to be everywhere tomorrow! If the American public doesn't get it by now, then I don't know what to do. Do I take this all the way to the general, or what?"

Aids: "So, should we start looking for new jobs, or...?"

Drumpf: "What, no? Fucking no way! We are taking this shit to the convention. Next, I'm going to get my delegates to pledge to wear the same uniform at the convention, so that the party knows how strong we are. It is going to be terrific!"

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Actually, I'm rather surprised that they knew which hand to raise.

And I'm rather surprised that you can spell relatively well.

 

[Fern]

The last thing this country needs is highly successful financiers in charge of government policy. The financial sector needs to get neutered and put into a straight jacket, not in any specific order.

Trump is not a financier. And we've had " highly successful financiers" in charge of a lot of our policy for a long while now. Look up Goldman Sachs people working in govt.

Sticking a marketing conman at the head of government will accomplish that about as much as letting Mitt Rmoney and John Ellis Bush continue cutting taxes for the richest people in the solar system, so that eventually that rising tide will do more than just lift all yachts while sinking everyone else's lifeboat.

I find these type of arguments/insults at Trump kind of funny. Most people feel "conman" is several levels above "politician". It's particularly funny when it's a politician throwing around that insult.

And bringing up "marketing" as though it's a negative or irrelevant to govt is also ridiculous. "Selling" your proposed legislation to other Congresspersons is what makes a one a successful Congressperson. Selling yourself as a presidential candidate is what makes one a President.

How many times have we heard the liberals say about one of Obama's policies declared unpopular was that it was all the fault of not selling it well enough?

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump is not a financier. And we've had " highly successful financiers" in charge of a lot of our policy for a long while now. Look up Goldman Sachs people working in govt.



I find these type of arguments/insults at Trump kind of funny. Most people feel "conman" is several levels above "politician". It's particularly funny when it's a politician throwing around that insult.

And bringing up "marketing" as though it's a negative or irrelevant to govt is also ridiculous. "Selling" your proposed legislation to other Congresspersons is what makes a one a successful Congressperson. Selling yourself as a presidential candidate is what makes one a President.

How many times have we heard the liberals say about one of Obama's policies declared unpopular was that it was all the fault of not selling it well enough?

Fern

True enough, I suppose. What if you're just selling fear & anger?

 

[Fern]

True enough, I suppose. What if you're just selling fear & anger?

Shrug. Sounds like politics as usual, whether it's BLM, outrage at Wall Street, Make America Great Again!, Repubs suppressing the vote etc. The list is endless.

Actually, "Fear and Anger" might the most accurate name one could come up with for this election cycle.

Fern

 

[LegendKiller]

The last thing this country needs is highly successful financiers in charge of government policy. The financial sector needs to get neutered and put into a straight jacket, not in any specific order.

Sticking a marketing conman at the head of government will accomplish that about as much as letting Mitt Rmoney and John Ellis Bush continue cutting taxes for the richest people in the solar system, so that eventually that rising tide will do more than just lift all yachts while sinking everyone else's lifeboat.

Guess that rules out Billary.

 

[werepossum]

Shrug. Sounds like politics as usual, whether it's BLM, outrage at Wall Street, Make America Great Again!, Repubs suppressing the vote etc. The list is endless.

Actually, "Fear and Anger" might the most accurate name one could come up with for this election cycle.

Fern

For every election cycle I can remember. Don't tell the people what you've done, warn them about what the other guy's going to do.

 

[ivwshane]

Shrug. Sounds like politics as usual, whether it's BLM, outrage at Wall Street, Make America Great Again!, Repubs suppressing the vote etc. The list is endless.

Actually, "Fear and Anger" might the most accurate name one could come up with for this election cycle.

Fern

That is true. The way I see it, there are only two candidates who aren't running on fear, hate, or anger. Can you guess who they are?

 

[ivwshane]

For every election cycle I can remember. Don't tell the people what you've done, warn them about what the other guy's going to do.

True. There are however two candidates that are running purely on their record. You support one of them, do you know who the other is?

 

[nickqt]

There is nothing wrong with the financial sector that breaking up the banks can't fix.

Agreed.

Trump is not a financier. And we've had " highly successful financiers" in charge of a lot of our policy for a long while now. Look up Goldman Sachs people working in govt.

Yes, they've been running things since the mid 1970s. See how that has worked out for everyone else but financiers and the people who give them money to gamble with.

I find these type of arguments/insults at Trump kind of funny. Most people feel "conman" is several levels above "politician". It's particularly funny when it's a politician throwing around that insult.

Conmen sell you things that you don't need and that don't work. Politicians sell you on an idea that they may or may not be able to accomplish. Trump is saying political things, while selling you on things you don't need, and that don't work.

I find the defense of Trump by saying he's just a conman and not a politician hilarious, and very tragic.

Vote Trump: he's just a conman, not a politician.

Brilliant reasoning.

And bringing up "marketing" as though it's a negative or irrelevant to govt is also ridiculous. "Selling" your proposed legislation to other Congresspersons is what makes a one a successful Congressperson. Selling yourself as a presidential candidate is what makes one a President.

So, in one breath, politicians, who sell ideas, are shit-tier, but in the next breath conmen, who sell you shit you don't need and that doesn't work, are somehow better.

How many times have we heard the liberals say about one of Obama's policies declared unpopular was that it was all the fault of not selling it well enough?

Fern

Nope.

BothSidesDoIt™ media stooges who profit from stenography rather than journalism make the claim that Obama hasn't "led" enough.

Individual components of the ACA poll positively in the 60 and 70 percentiles, but the ACA as a whole polls around 40% positive. Is this a failure of Obama or Democrats to lead, or market the ACA, or the fault of the BothSidesDoIt™ media, who make much more profit and secure much more status as long as they just tell you what someone has said, without addressing what something is? WeReportYouDecide™ journalism, at its best.

Guess that rules out Billary.

It rules out everyone but Sanders, but unfortunately, Sanders isn't likely to win the nomination. Bummer, I know.