SCOTUS rules: ACA subsidies apply to ALL states

[emperus]

Roberts has made a compelling case.

I retract my prior objections. Anyone who dissents needs to contest his points, but I suspect we'll never see that. Republican opposition is both vague and uninspiring. Apologies to P&N for standing by it. I retract my prior statements as that position is not logically sound.

You won my respect.... well for today and for this topic.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You won my respect.... well for today and for this topic.

Don't you just love when people agree with you? lol

 

[fskimospy]

Actually, the mandate has been a success...the uninsured rate under ACA significantly climbed until the mandate kicked in last year.

No, the mandate, the Medicaid expansion, and the federal subsidies for health insurance have been a success. You know, the primary purpose of the ACA. So if your argument is "the uninsured rate climbed until the parts of the ACA designed to lower the number uninsured people took effect" then I agree!

Otherwise, I have no idea what your point would be. Is it really so bad for conservatives to admit their predictions about the ACA were wrong? Shouldn't you be happy that it's working so well?

 

[trenchfoot]

He's part of that butthurt everyone is talking about, just enjoy his tears.

So I wonder now that it's become quite clear how the Repubs had nothing of substance to back that game of chicken they were playing with their efforts to repeal the ACA, and how they have been exposed to anyone who cares to notice how much of a fix they put themselves in by playing that game, just what it is that the Repubs will now do to keep up the facade of "patriotic resistance" that's falling apart before their eyes and the eyes of their supporters?

If they actively continue to pursue the repeal, how do they expect to deal with the ever growing number of folks being added to the millions already relying on the ACA that gives them access to health care that they couldn't otherwise benefit from? I'm confidently assuming there are thousands upon thousands of devout Repubs that are now in that same growing group of beneficiaries.

Is it now tool late for the Repubs to "kill the baby in the crib"?

Game over? Already too big to fail?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No, the mandate, the Medicaid expansion, and the federal subsidies for health insurance have been a success.

So the Medicaid expansion and federal subsidies kicked in 1st Q 2014 as well?

 

[fskimospy]

So the Medicaid expansion and federal subsidies kicked in 1st Q 2014 as well?

Yes.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, the mandate, the Medicaid expansion, and the federal subsidies for health insurance have been a success. You know, the primary purpose of the ACA. So if your argument is "the uninsured rate climbed until the parts of the ACA designed to lower the number uninsured people took effect" then I agree!

Otherwise, I have no idea what your point would be. Is it really so bad for conservatives to admit their predictions about the ACA were wrong? Shouldn't you be happy that it's working so well?

The uninsured rate would be much less than that if right-retard states took up medicaid expansion.

That will require an admission of failed ideology, of course, something they just can't seem to muster wrt any subject.

 

[JEDI]

I hate saying anything good about GWB, but he certainly could have done worse with the Roberts appointment.

added that to my sig

 

[cabri]

You mean with control of the legislature, they can't pass anything? Even small tweaks? Give me a break.

Anything that may get passed (using the existing rules of both chambers) still has to go through the Democratic controlled White House.
So any thing that weakens the ACA which gets that far will get vetoed. And there are enough Democrats in the Senate to prevent an override.

Clear enough

 

[cabri]

This is a win win for everyone including repubs. The republicans now don't have to face an electorate who would have lost their subsidies and now they can continue with their, "repeal and replace" line that works so well on tools like cabri. All while having any actual plan to actually replace this so called horrible law.

Donald trumps campaign promises really encapsulates the current Republican Party and their ideas (nothing but empty rhetoric in an expensive suit), appealing to the pure bread morons of this country (he's polling at. #2 btw).

You just can not help yourself by being an asshole to anyone that might not toe your line. :hmm:

Eski and Mooney are saints compared to your tirades. They at least have some logical though and discussion potential

 

[soundforbjt]

Anything that may get passed (using the existing rules of both chambers) still has to go through the Democratic controlled White House.
So any thing that weakens the ACA which gets that far will get vetoed. And there are enough Democrats in the Senate to prevent an override.

Clear enough

I believe the discussion was why are republicans NOT passing tweaks to improve the ACA, they claim to have ideas to fix healthcare yet they offer nothing. I'm sure most people would like a better plan than the ACA, where is the republican's plan and what is it?

 

[Brainonska511]

Anything that may get passed (using the existing rules of both chambers) still has to go through the Democratic controlled White House.
So any thing that weakens the ACA which gets that far will get vetoed. And there are enough Democrats in the Senate to prevent an override.

Clear enough

They could still offer tweaks with their own ideas - they may still get vetoed by the WH, but at least they'd be putting their money where their mouth is. Instead, they've offered nothing but non-stop bitching and meaningless repeal votes.

 

[Jhhnn]

Anything that may get passed (using the existing rules of both chambers) still has to go through the Democratic controlled White House.
So any thing that weakens the ACA which gets that far will get vetoed. And there are enough Democrats in the Senate to prevent an override.

Clear enough

True enough, but that hasn't stopped them from grandstanding or, you know, crafting actual legislation. Whatever they might come up with now would obviously be useful down the road should things change. It'd do great things for their credibility, as well.

What we get instead is hot air.

Molly Ivins said it well- "All hat. No cattle."

 

[brycejones]

They could still offer tweaks with their own ideas - they may still get vetoed by the WH, but at least they'd be putting their money where their mouth is. Instead, they've offered nothing but non-stop bitching and meaningless repeal votes.

Tweaking or "fixing" anything would be admitting its here to stay, also they would get primaried by someone from the right ranting about how they "voted for Obamacare, socialism, etc, etc".

They really have painted themselves into a very small corner with no room to maneuver. They've sold the base hard on repeal or nothing.

 

[hal2kilo]

They could still offer tweaks with their own ideas - they may still get vetoed by the WH, but at least they'd be putting their money where their mouth is. Instead, they've offered nothing but non-stop bitching and meaningless repeal votes.

The Repubs should be kiising the SCOTUS ass right now for saving them from themselves.

A win would have tossed out a whole bunch of people who finally have medical insurance. How do you think that would have gone down during the 2016 campaign. It would have given the Dems so much ammo.

In reality this is the best they can hope for. They still get to whine and complain about how bad the ACA is and as usual offer nothing in it's place

 

[Mxylplyx]

It will be interesting to see how the Republican party moves forward once there's not a black face in the white house anymore to enrage the Republican base. We have entire crops of Republican congressman that have no idea how to formulate a campaign strategy that doesn't involve Barrack Obama, and no idea how to craft a piece of forward looking legislation that isn't about rolling something back that Obama has done.

 

[ivwshane]

You just can not help yourself by being an asshole to anyone that might not toe your line. :hmm:

Eski and Mooney are saints compared to your tirades. They at least have some logical though and discussion potential

Toe the line? I've only pointed out the republican game plan of which you seem to be oblivious to. It's not my fault you are too stupid to see that. Or did you have something to counter what I said?
Your original post was already full of shit and I responded in kind

 

[Jhhnn]

Tweaking or "fixing" anything would be admitting its here to stay, also they would get primaried by someone from the right ranting about how they "voted for Obamacare, socialism, etc, etc".

They really have painted themselves into a very small corner with no room to maneuver. They've sold the base hard on repeal or nothing.

The Repub Party, per se, lost control of the base some while ago. Previously the greatest conduit for radical right money & message, they've been sidestepped as funders have created whole new ways of winning & inspiring the base.

For the Koch Bros & friends, it really is true- "All your base are belong to us!"

Few people appreciate just how radical that agenda really is, just how much they intend to usurp the role of govt & the will of the people.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Has Clarence Thomas EVER voted in a manner inconsistent with the wishes of the far right?

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-18/thomas-s-vote-speaks-volumes-in-license-plate-case

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8833279/confederate-flag-license-plates-supreme-court

both are about the same case

 

[boomerang]

This is going to make drafting legislation a whole lot easier. The words no longer mean anything, the intent is what matters. :thumbsup:

This is a very interesting country to live in right now and I expect it's going to get much more interesting.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The ACA has dramatically reduced the uninsured rate in the US and has done so for dramatically less than was originally estimated, all while the rate of health care inflation has stayed low. It's been a success by any measure I can think of.

Unless the Republicans win the presidency, the house, and a filibuster proof majority in the senate the ACA is here for good. Maybe someday soon Republicans will come to accept reality and start submitting proposals to improve the ACA instead of simply frothing and railing against it.

No shit sherlock? Boy I would have never guessed. Point a gun at a citizen's head and saying "Pay up for health insurance or pay up in taxes" boy oh boy, I CANT BELIEVE THE UNINSURED RATE IS LESS!!! :awe:

Christ, this is the Special Olympics of not understanding logic.

 

[hal2kilo]

The Repub Party, per se, lost control of the base some while ago. Previously the greatest conduit for radical right money & message, they've been sidestepped as funders have created whole new ways of winning & inspiring the base.

For the Koch Bros & friends, it really is true- "All your base are belong to us!"

Few people appreciate just how radical that agenda really is, just how much they intend to usurp the role of govt & the will of the people.

That crowd is trying to kill the Import/Export bank. I wonder what the Tea Party will tell their constituants when they lost their jobs that are depedant on exports.

Hell, I hate corporate welfare, but that legislation is ridiculus.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No shit sherlock? Boy I would have never guessed. Point a gun at a citizen's head and saying "Pay up for health insurance or pay up in taxes" boy oh boy, I CANT BELIEVE THE UNINSURED RATE IS LESS!!! :awe:

Christ, this is the Special Olympics of not understanding logic.

Taxing someone a couple of hundred over the course of a year is not exactly a gun to the head. Are those fines/taxes even being issued at this time?

 

[werepossum]

Yeh, the intent of thousands of pages of law contradicts narrow partisan interpretation of a single phrase. The suit was merely an attention getting device, a segue into the usual mindless rants.

Not really. The architect of the plan is on tape expounding on just that specific issue - the intention was to put pressure on red states to set up exchanges. My point was that this clearly wasn't the intention of the Congresscritters who sponsored it and voted for it - some are in states that would not be expected to set up exchanges or expand Medicaid.

I hate saying anything good about GWB, but he certainly could have done worse with the Roberts appointment.

let's all just breathe a collective sigh of relief that Harriett Myers isn't on the bench.

Agreed. Roberts has been excellent. Myers would have been a disaster, the right's version of Darth Bade Ginsberg. Except probably not nearly as smart. (Sotomayor?)

http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/symposium-the-court-will-hear-king-thats-bad-news-for-the-aca/

That was my recollection as well.

The hearing and verdict represent the best possible output in my opinion. The IRS or other agencies should not be free to simply do the opposite of what the law says, yet it makes zero sense to penalize Americans against a federal benefit for the actions of their state legislature. Also, for states like Wyoming or Delaware it probably doesn't make sense to set up an exchange anyway, just not enough potential customers. Other states like Oregon try and largely fail. This way a state can opt out of the exchange or take years to make a functional exchange without its citizens getting penalized.

 

[JSt0rm]

This is going to make drafting legislation a whole lot easier. The words no longer mean anything, the intent is what matters. :thumbsup:

This is a very interesting country to live in right now and I expect it's going to get much more interesting.

Does intent only matter when looking at the 2nd amendment? Because if we went off the words as written you would need to be in a "well regulated militia"