SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

[Lonyo]

It was the correct ruling. There is really no logical or rational reason to deny gays the right to marry, and this is coming from someone that used to be against gay marriage for years.

Once I realized that the institution of marriage no longer centered around the creation or continuance of bloodlines as it had for thousands of years, but rather the idea of two people in love who wish to spend the rest of their lives together and share their property, my stance became untenable..

Times change I suppose.

Back in the olden dayes marriage was for bloodlines of royals, and in some cultures you would marry lots of women to make lots of offspring to continue your bloodline.
In some you would try and make offspring, then bring in divorce laws or kill people to get a new wife to try and continue your bloodline.
In nearly all circumstances it was all about the man.

So yes, times change. Holding on to a modern historic notion of marriage as being awesome and a specific thing is an entirely social/cultural construct which changes over time and there has never really been a specific underlying concept of marriage or associated rights.
The rights of women who were married were hilariously unequal in the past, but fixing that was something that was deemed necessary as time passed.

https://www.connerprairie.org/Educa...-1860/Women-and-the-Law-in-Early-19th-Century

Married women generally were not allowed to make contracts, devise wills, take part in other legal transactions, or control any wages they might earn.

So lets get rid of the current definition of marriage as being between a man and woman who get rights, and make it between a man and his subservient woman who loses her rights as soon as they get married, because that was when marriage was the best, and it should never change even as social and cultural factors change. And no same sex. Because that's how marriage should be. No women's rights and all power to the man.

 

[Victorian Gray]

By the way, I'm now scouring eBay and BigLots for a shiny new toaster, something with great value and mileage.

Just patiently waiting my turn...

:wub:

...:hmm: say, will I have to wait for a decision regarding polyamory if I choose this model?

mmmmmm toaster love mmmmmmm

 

[Man I Suck]

5-4?

Why the fuck wasnt it 9-0?

Nobody ever proved gays were not human or not Americans. So what the hell?

because hateful bigots still exist and some of them even hold high authority seats in government

 

[Ns1]

So lets get rid of the current definition of marriage as being between a man and woman who get rights, and make it between a man and his subservient woman who loses her rights as soon as they get married, because that was when marriage was the best, and it should never change even as social and cultural factors change. And no same sex. Because that's how marriage should be. No women's rights and all power to the man.

Where do I vote for this?

 

[MovingTarget]

I've been waiting on the heavy-hitter troglodytes in my state to chime in, and as usual, they don't disappoint!

From "Judge" Roy Moore"
(Source: CNN)

The chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court and a leading opponent of same-sex marriage on Friday called the Supreme Court's ruling to legalize gay and lesbian nuptials nationwide "even worse" than the Court's 19th century decision to uphold racial segregation.

"I believe it's worse because it affects our entire system of morality and family values," Roy Moore told CNN in a phone interview Friday.

 

[Knowing]

So I take it this means concealed carry permits granted in one state are nation wide, and Obama is going to stop raiding MJ dispensaries?

I saw some mention about "marrying the one you love," unfortunately we still don't have that and probably never will.

 

[lotus503]

They have taken the 14th Amendment and used it to pick and choose State laws to apply nationally.

like corporations except gay folks are actually human.

 

[Jhhnn]

Two things...

One, I guess the high court "is" pretty liberal after all.

Second, what the freaking out right wing fail to realize here is now the issue of SS marriage will finally go away for them.
The thing with SS marriage is not SS marriage itself but the heated debates around SS marriage.
Now that THAT has been settled, what we will have is people quietly, privately, and simply getting married and living a happy life ever after.
And the righties will have nothing to do with it.
They won't even know who these people are getting married.
Thats the weird thing with personal private matters.
Exactly like when buying a car. The color of car one chooses is entirely a personal private matter.
Same with marriage.

I don't think you understand the conservative fringe very well. Their issues never go away. As Obama pointed out, they cling in bitterness & frustration. They're more sinned against than sinners, heavily exploited by their leadership, led away from truly pertinent issues by strong appeals to religious belief & emotion. Hell, there are parts of this country where entrenched belief hasn't changed much since the Civil War.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This fucking awesome!!
There's gonna be some heads 'splodin around here and on fox.

And you did not disappoint.

Thanks!

 

[JD50]

This is interesting since there is no federal law which defines marriage. There was one but SCOTUS declared that unconstitutional (DOMA). My guess is now Marriage means nothing.

Say that to your wife. Wait let me guess, you're not married?

 

[fskimospy]

So I take it this means concealed carry permits granted in one state are nation wide, and Obama is going to stop raiding MJ dispensaries?

I saw some mention about "marrying the one you love," unfortunately we still don't have that and probably never will.

You realize you could spend your trolling time by reading the actual opinion, right?

Silly people.

 

[Indus]

Jindal: 'Let's just get rid of the court'

Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.) condemned the Supreme Court on Friday following its ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.

“The Supreme Court is completely out of control, making laws on their own, and has become a public opinion poll instead of a judicial body,” the 2016 contender said in a statement.

“If we want to save some money, let’s just get rid of the court, Marriage between a man and a woman was established by God, and no earthly court can alter that,” he added.

When we disagreed with Bush v. Gore and got f'ed up our collective 6's with that decision, did we once say just get rid of the court?

What a nutter.. I'm amazed such stupidity exists in America, much less manifests itself in a Governor.. but I guess we shouldn't be surprised.. we got a President who misunderestimated everything.

 

[Retro Rob]

Cracked.com has a handy guide to help folks figure out if the ruling affects them.
30second guide to how today's ruling affects you

This is really a huge strawman...I can't see why many so-called "educated" people keep regurgitating this.

Christians do not oppose gay marriage because it affects them one way or the other -- they oppose it because the Bible doesn't support homosexual relationships.

Don't come with the interpretation of Biblical passages red herring nonsense.

Their opposition lies squarely on the belief that God created marriage to between one man and one woman. If you want to use the polygamy angle, still, those unions didn't include persons of the same-sex marrying.

 

[waggy]

This is really a huge strawman...I can't see why many so-called "educated" people keep regurgitating this.

Christians do not oppose gay marriage because it affects them one way or the other -- they oppose it because the Bible doesn't support homosexual relationships.

Don't come with the interpretation of Biblical passages red herring nonsense.

Their opposition lies squarely on the belief that God created marriage to between one man and one woman. If you want to use the polygamy angle, still, those unions didn't include persons of the same-sex marrying.

good thing this has nothing to do with the bible. it has to do with laws in the US. Where you can't discriminate against people.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Jindal: 'Let's just get rid of the court'

Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.) condemned the Supreme Court on Friday following its ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.

“The Supreme Court is completely out of control, making laws on their own, and has become a public opinion poll instead of a judicial body,” the 2016 contender said in a statement.

“If we want to save some money, let’s just get rid of the court, Marriage between a man and a woman was established by God, and no earthly court can alter that,” he added.

So his problem is that the Supreme Court is enacting laws because... they have a majority of public opinion in their favor? "We can't do what the majority wants if it means giving up religious control of the government!" Maybe Bobby Jindal should stop taking his ideas on governance from ISIS.

 

[DrDoug]

Q: What do the conservative idiots who are against the SSM and health care decisions do when they are pissed off at the SCOTUS? A: They fire off tweets to @SCOTUSblog thinking they are tweeting their anger directly to the SCOTUS.

Hilarity ensues as SCOTUSblog responds to them.

 

[zinfamous]

This is really a huge strawman...I can't see why many so-called "educated" people keep regurgitating this.

Christians do not oppose gay marriage because it affects them one way or the other -- they oppose it because the Bible doesn't support homosexual relationships.

Don't come with the interpretation of Biblical passages red herring nonsense.

Their opposition lies squarely on the belief that God created marriage to between one man and one woman. If you want to use the polygamy angle, still, those unions didn't include persons of the same-sex marrying.

and yet, in what way are Christians that do not want to be gay married, affected by the decision?

please remind me, again, how that is possible. ....pretty sure it isn't

here's a simple truth, one larger and a good bit clearer than your book: "One who does not want a gay marriage, should not get one."

 

[Jaskalas]

Well at least people are outing themselves.

Roy Moore, I am disappointed. You want the 10 commandants but you don't want people to be happy in a fulfilling commitment to one another. Your notion of rights and morals is self serving and definitely not based on a guiding principle that I recognize.

May your current term be your last, I will not be voting for you.

 

[Brainonska511]

May your current term be your last, I will not be voting for you.

Based on his previous record, why would you have voted for him in the first place?

 

[Retro Rob]

good thing this has nothing to do with the bible. it has to do with laws in the US. Where you can't discriminate against people.

That's not the point.

 

[Retro Rob]

and yet, in what way are Christians that do not want to be gay married, affected by the decision?

They're not, but that has nothing to do with it.

 

[waggy]

That's not the point.

well that's the point of the ruling. everything you posted means jack shit to it. his just allows gay's/les to get the same rights we do.

 

[Retro Rob]

well that's the point of the ruling. everything you posted means jack shit to it. his just allows gay's/les to get the same rights we do.

Well...don't worry about it then.

 

[zinfamous]

That's not the point.

it wouldn't be the point if Christians didn't lobby the government to have laws enacted based on their religious book...laws that are designed to affect everyone.

But they do this, so it is always the point. They aren't such fans of the constitution, so it really isn't surprising that they attract such negative attention when they work to enforce personal, unfounded belief on real, evidence-based law.

...I wouldn't worry too much, though. "Tyranny of the majority" is a concept well-protected here. Bronze age morality and concepts of society have been long-dying out in this country. Soon, the bible thumpers will be a true minority, and you might well see more of these wacko ideas being defended by actual law.

some day.

 

[zinfamous]

They're not, but that has nothing to do with it.

it has everything to do with it. absolutely everything

please explain the opposition to gay marriage without using any type of religious-based argument.

...you should probably give this response more thought than you usually do.