SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

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pcgeek11

Lifer
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Why is consensual sex illegal in public?

Why is nudity illegal?

Why is kissing or making out illegal in public?

Does it hurt anyone? How did these bans come about?

Because nobody wants to see that crap in public. Those things should be private between the two parties involved. Kissing isn't illegal as far as I know and should be acceptable. When it goes beyond just a kiss it should be taken elsewhere. People have children in public places, they should be shielded from this until they are mature enough.

Get a damn room.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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That depends on what you mean by what they deserve. You are free to try to offend them as you are offended but since the whole purpose of your point was to criticize their offensiveness it hardly seems rational to turn around and do exactly what you criticize them for doing. You can't, however, take the law in your own hands based on some personal opinion as to who deserves what like a vigilante.

I believe that if you demonize people of some stereotype long enough and hard enough, as I believe gay people have experienced at the hands of 'loving Christians' that you might just want to be offensive back. The only way to end this childish tit for tat, in my opinion, is to take on the suffering and suffer it without reacting. Don't react to what you see as offensive behavior because it is caused by and a reaction to being offended and your reaction just makes it worse. It is very hard to overcome self hate projected on the other because we self justify every kind of evil in the world.



Blah Blah Blah ... Wall of stupid text....
 

nageov3t

Lifer
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Because nobody wants to see that crap in public. Those things should be private between the two parties involved. Kissing isn't illegal as far as I know and should be acceptable. When it goes beyond just a kiss it should be taken elsewhere. People have children in public places, they should be shielded from this until they are mature enough.

Get a damn room.

it's not like this is exclusive to gay people, though.

here's a giant flag of Kim Kardashian giving a guy a blowjob at a music festival -- https://i.imgur.com/KQffSiX.jpg
 

K1052

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Because nobody wants to see that crap in public. Those things should be private between the two parties involved. Kissing isn't illegal as far as I know and should be acceptable. When it goes beyond just a kiss it should be taken elsewhere. People have children in public places, they should be shielded from this until they are mature enough.

Get a damn room.

Pride parades are actually pretty tame and people do bring their kids. It's not like everyone is just fucking on the streets. You really don't know what you're talking about. I mean I was actually in the parade here last year and didn't see anything that justifies you getting in such a wad.

Now if you want to truly get offended come to Folsom Street Fair or the Dore Alley Festival.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Why do the gay people feel a need to display this type of crap? I really would like to know. That and all the other shit that goes on at these parades is what hurts their cause.

Here's the hetero version of that dildo flag:



You can pretty much call Big Johnson the flag of Myrtle Beach. "sexually offensive" in public is not something exclusive to gays, you know.

lol, look at this one:
 

waggy

No Lifer
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Here's the hetero version of that dildo flag:



You can pretty much call Big Johnson the flag of Myrtle Beach. "sexually offensive" in public is not something exclusive to gays, you know.

lol, look at this one:

LOL i had a few of those Big Johnson Tshirts. i got in trouble with a college Proff (female) for wearing one lol
 

Moonbeam

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Blah Blah Blah ... Wall of stupid text....

See how easily you can reject what offends you. You need to learn to relax and not take offense at anything. Your bigotry is completely safe, shielded by a wall of impregnable egotistical self certainty. You are completely immune to rainbow colors in your black and white-striped prison world.
 

OverVolt

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See how easily you can reject what offends you. You need to learn to relax and not take offense at anything. Your bigotry is completely safe, shielded by a wall of impregnable egotistical self certainty. You are completely immune to rainbow colors in your black and white-striped prison world.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe he just doesn't want to read 3 paragraphs of psychobabble.
 

PlanetJosh

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I haven't been a fan of marriage, straight or gay, since I was around 20. It seems ironic that gays who are mostly left leaning would support such an old fashioned conservative institution such as marriage. Or rather it's more amusing to me. And I'm a leftie. I think it would be more fun for a couple to live together without marriage.

As an example I use to support this look at Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell. Still together after decades without ever getting married. Yes they were both married to others before they got together but still they've done well without marriage to each other. Of course as Goldie Hawn said it helps that each of the two in a relationship "have their own money."

So they have the advantage of each being rich which can lessen the chance of breaking up over money. But I would hope that relationship success is not just for the rich. Would make a good survey or sociological study though, to find out if it makes a difference.
 
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Ns1

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It seems ironic that gays who are mostly left leaning would support such an old fashioned conservative institution such as marriage.
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There are legal implications to marriage which you seemingly are not accounting for.
 

Darwin333

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The court also whacked the ACCA in an 8-1 which governed some mandatory sentencing. Prosecutors were using the threat of 15 year minimum sentences to get people to plead guilty.

Unfortunately this ruling won't do much to stop prosecutors from continuing to bully people into pleading guilty. That's why they pile so many charges on people, a lot of time they will pile on bogus charges that will never stick but it gives them more leverage to scare people into plea deals, innocent and guilty alike.

An innocent man charged with whatever crime has a prosecutor telling him that if he doesn't take the plea deal for 2 years he is going to nail him to the wall and seek the maximum 20-30 year sentence. Let's assume that you can't afford a great attorney and instead are relying on a public defender. A good portion of those people have and will take the plea deal, despite being innocent of the crime, versus rolling the dice that their public defender or low rent lawyer will win their case.
 

K1052

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Unfortunately this ruling won't do much to stop prosecutors from continuing to bully people into pleading guilty. That's why they pile so many charges on people, a lot of time they will pile on bogus charges that will never stick but it gives them more leverage to scare people into plea deals, innocent and guilty alike.

An innocent man charged with whatever crime has a prosecutor telling him that if he doesn't take the plea deal for 2 years he is going to nail him to the wall and seek the maximum 20-30 year sentence. Let's assume that you can't afford a great attorney and instead are relying on a public defender. A good portion of those people have and will take the plea deal, despite being innocent of the crime, versus rolling the dice that their public defender or low rent lawyer will win their case.

It's one less lever for them to pull at least. Mandatory minimums (outside of murder or manslaughter) are probably one of the dumber ideas after elected judges that our system indulges in.

The justice system, unfortunately, needs a lot of work. It's basically a black hole for poor people right now.
 

Darwin333

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When we disagreed with Bush v. Gore and got f'ed up our collective 6's with that decision, did we once say just get rid of the court?

What a nutter.. I'm amazed such stupidity exists in America, much less manifests itself in a Governor.. but I guess we shouldn't be surprised.. we got a President who misunderestimated everything.

I've met Jindal and he is a very intelligent man. Not that it makes it any better but I'd bet a weeks pay he is simply pandering to the national conservative base for his recently launched bid for president.

Regardless, I am truly saddened that he would make such a dumb statement like "get rid of the courts" while at the same time talks about upholding the constitution.
 

Darwin333

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It's one less lever for them to pull at least. Mandatory minimums (outside of murder or manslaughter) are probably one of the dumber ideas after elected judges that our system indulges in.

The justice system, unfortunately, needs a lot of work. It's basically a black hole for poor people right now.

I couldn't agree more. Hell even the lower middle class have it rough as hell going through the legal system.
 
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It's one less lever for them to pull at least. Mandatory minimums (outside of murder or manslaughter) are probably one of the dumber ideas after elected judges that our system indulges in.

The justice system, unfortunately, needs a lot of work. It's basically a black hole for poor people right now.

Its hard to have that discussion, when in the public sphere we see this type of conversation:

1) Education in prisons is "rewarding" people who wronged society
2) People don't care about prison violence; make casual jokes about the fates of people being sent to prison
3) Monetary bail: people getting locked away without even a trial because they can't afford release - some end up pleading guilty just to get out
4) Prison should not be "nice" (which translates to: it should be as harsh as possible)
5) The perception and twisting of sentences to make elected judges look bad and "soft on crime" or put pressure on other elected officials to mete out harsher sentences
 
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It seems ironic that gays who are mostly left leaning would support such an old fashioned conservative institution such as marriage.
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There are legal implications to marriage which you seemingly are not accounting for.

Legal implications?

If by paying the "marriage tax penalty", then yes. WELCOME TO THE CLUB GAYS! Enjoy your stay with the awesome privilege of paying more tax. CONGRATULATIONS!
 

werepossum

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so you a expert at looking at young pussy? :awe:
Ye- Wait! No!

So I take it this means concealed carry permits granted in one state are nation wide, and Obama is going to stop raiding MJ dispensaries?

I saw some mention about "marrying the one you love," unfortunately we still don't have that and probably never will.
Kinda different things. Concealed carry permits are inherently limited, permission to carry under very specific circumstances in a limited geographical area under the jurisdiction of those setting the constraints. Marriage is inherently a binary issue: one either is or is not married. A better analogy for CCW would be specific privileges and limitations based on marriage status. If say Tennessee has a requirement that only married couples are eligible for a particular adoption process, that is not now binding on California. What changed is that Tennessee is no longer free to declare that a gay couple married in California is not a married couple.

This is really a huge strawman...I can't see why many so-called "educated" people keep regurgitating this.

Christians do not oppose gay marriage because it affects them one way or the other -- they oppose it because the Bible doesn't support homosexual relationships.

Don't come with the interpretation of Biblical passages red herring nonsense.

Their opposition lies squarely on the belief that God created marriage to between one man and one woman. If you want to use the polygamy angle, still, those unions didn't include persons of the same-sex marrying.
Well said.

However, there is a huge difference between opposing something morally and trying to use force of law to enforce that preference on others.
 

werepossum

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You dont need to define marriage. All they did was uphold the constitution, specifically the bill of rights.

ALL Americans get treated equally by the government, at any level. Thats the law.

If the state decides to give you tax credits and property rights because you are "married" then it needs to apply to everyone. Not just whites. Not just christians. Not just heterosexuals.
Every human being gets equal treatment.

(from the law. Theres no guarantee of equality from private citizens or private businesses.)
Well said.

And Texas is following: http://nyti.ms/1JoLD12

What an asshole. If you don't want to be issuing marriage licenses for the secular government: find another job. You don't get to use whatever power you have in the government as a tool to force your personal beliefs on another.
I can't wait until the first prominent social conservative gets denied a marriage license because of protected personal beliefs.

"I'm sorry, sir, but I cannot issue you a license because I think you are an asshole and my deeply held personal belief is that assholes should not procreate. Now the law requires that I step aside so that another clerk can issue you a license, but we all think you're an asshole. So just as soon as I have some time, I'm going to compose a letter to send to the capital asking for guidance on how we might accommodate your particular, um, affinities.

In the mean time, we can proceed with the other requirements. Now that the Supreme Court has issued an injunction against discrimination we have to apply the same requirements we designed for same-sex applicants to all applicants, so you'll have to watch a real-time ultrasound of your rectum as well as watch this three hour movie on anuses and why you have one. So if you'll kindly step over to the Lubrication Station we can get started."

Yes officer, I saw the speed limit sign. But the sign didn't say I had to follow it.

Checkmate.
In all fairness, this isn't just a right wing situation. Who here remembers the Democrat-dominated Supreme Court of New Jersey going through gyrations when the party wanted to replace the Torch to hold onto that Senate seat? Well, it says you can't replace a candidate after the deadline, but it's totally silent on procedure when you do replace a candidate after the deadline, so it's up to us to create that procedure.
 
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