SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

[K1052]

I think most of those with opposing views ( attacking me actually ) are just show boats, PC correct riders.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

No, liberals are just so hypocritical...begging the government and conservatives to "stay out of their bedrooms" while at the same breath asking SCOTUS to legislate what can legally happen in their bedroom.

Very few people get married in their bedroom. Most opt for a public setting, like a church, or ballroom, or park. None of which changes the fact that the US government already recognized marriage, it was merely being denied to a specific class of people for no valid reason. But yes, the gays were just biding their time and not doing anything whatsoever in their bedrooms until they had the blessing of the Supreme Court.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

They are on a public street. I agree that they have the right to do what they will as willing adults. However their rights end when it collides with my rights to walk down a public street and be exposed to these illegal acts. Public fornication, Blowjobs, indecent exposure, and God only knows what else.

I've been going to the wrong parades.

 

[waggy]

Doesn't matter. It is a public street. If found on a public street having sex or any other illegal acts you should be arrested. I don't care if you are gay or not. I was also talking specifically about events such as Folsom Street in San Francisco.

I agree.

shrug i don't see what the big deal is.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm not reading back through many pages of bickering but what does Folsom Street Fair have to do with marriage?
It's kinda the opposite sort of thing isn't it?

 

[sandorski]

I'm not reading back through many pages of bickering but what does Folsom Street Fair have to do with marriage?
It's kinda the opposite sort of thing isn't it?

Gays are icky and hang around the Folsom Street Fare. Therefor, Gay Marriage should be Illegal.

 

[K1052]

I'm not reading back through many pages of bickering but what does Folsom Street Fair have to do with marriage?
It's kinda the opposite sort of thing isn't it?

Someone was getting all bunched up that they might see a man with his shirt off or in a speedo at a pride event.

I decided to give him something to get more offended at.

 

[K1052]

I agree.

shrug i don't see what the big deal is.

The event is closed, takes place in a non-residential part of the city, and has been going on for three decades. At this point it has the blessing of the city which actually has a mechanism for legally permitting nudity at events.

I don't roll into other people's towns and tell them how/where/what events they I think they should hold that are entirely legal under their municipal code.

 

[Blackjack200]

I'm gay and I get offended by the parade and I guess embarrassed for 'my people.' I understand that there are folks into leather jockstraps, leashes, and whips while being led around by a man in full leathers (except of course his ass is uncovered) but why must their 'pride' include taking that out of the bedroom where it belongs and showing it off in a parade?

I'm straight, but I think it's supposed to be an answer to the long history of homosexuality being pushed underground. It's hard to express your pride in your sexuality without expressing your sexuality, no?

As far as not wanting to be exposed (lol) to that, it's not hard to avoid the pride parades, and if you want to march in support of gay rights without dealing with that, my understanding is that there are usually tamer options that are part of pride celebrations (though I don't know for certain on that, and it probably varies from place to place.)

 

[xBiffx]

Stop looking to be offended.

Stop defending people who are looking to offend. Even better, don't get all defensive when someone gets offended by those who are out to offend. And don't even try to claim that they aren't trying to offend. Why on Earth would anyone want to have sex in the street except to have others watch. Plenty of other places to conduct your encounter, even when having people watch is what you are into. Places where onlookers who are willing participants instead of unwilling.

 

[WelshBloke]

Someone was getting all bunched up that they might see a man with his shirt off or in a speedo at a pride event.

I don't get what it has to do with marriage though.

Its like going to Big Market in Newcastle on a Friday night and being offended by the antics going on and linking it to marriage.

Young single people being debauched is as far away from marriage as you can get really.

 

[K1052]

I don't get what it has to do with marriage though.

Its like going to Big Market in Newcastle on a Friday night and being offended by the antics going on and linking it to marriage.

Young single people being debauched is as far away from marriage as you can get really.

He suggested that the faux-ISIS sex toy flag (and other things he considers indecent) at Pride events is harmful to the gay rights cause, presumably including marriage. Which of course is disingenuous horse shit.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

He suggested that the faux-ISIS sex toy flag (and other things he considers indecent) at Pride events is harmful to the gay rights cause, presumably including marriage. Which of course is disingenuous horse shit.

It's like being opposed to straight marriage because you stumbled into some drunk frat boys on Spring Break. Or Mardi Gras. Or St. Patrick's Day. Or Cinco de Mayo. Really any time; drunk frat boys are surprisingly inappropriate. But they're also not representative of the views of all straight people, which is why we don't let their drunken antics dictate our views on straight marriage.

 

[K1052]

It's like being opposed to straight marriage because you stumbled into some drunk frat boys on Spring Break. Or Mardi Gras. Or St. Patrick's Day. Or Cinco de Mayo. Really any time; drunk frat boys are surprisingly inappropriate. But they're also not representative of the views of all straight people, which is why we don't let their drunken antics dictate our views on straight marriage.

In all honesty most Pride events are better behaved than all of the above. St. Patrick's Day in Chicago is the mother of all shit shows.

His opposition isn't based on logic or reason. He just doesn't like seeing the icky gays express anything about sexuality.

 

[xBiffx]

It's like being opposed to straight marriage because you stumbled into some drunk frat boys on Spring Break. Or Mardi Gras. Or St. Patrick's Day. Or Cinco de Mayo. Really any time; drunk frat boys are surprisingly inappropriate. But they're also not representative of the views of all straight people, which is why we don't let their drunken antics dictate our views on straight marriage.

And what place would they serve at a straight marriage parade in regards to advancing the cause of that parade? Pretty silly to bring something that undermines the seriousness, importance, and value of your cause to the gathering meant to promote it.

In all honesty most Pride events are better behaved than all of the above. St. Patrick's Day in Chicago is the mother of all shit shows.

Let me know when St. Patrick's Day is about advancing some cause instead of just another reason to be merry and drink until you pass out.

 

[Bowfinger]

Stop defending people who are looking to offend. Even better, don't get all defensive when someone gets offended by those who are out to offend. And don't even try to claim that they aren't trying to offend. Why on Earth would anyone want to have sex in the street except to have others watch. Plenty of other places to conduct your encounter, even when having people watch is what you are into. Places where onlookers who are willing participants instead of unwilling.

The issue is NOT that he is offended. The issue is that he wants to control the behavior of those who offend him. I'm not a fan of many of the more flamboyant antics either, but I accept that I don't get to impose my values on them. I don't need a nanny state to protect me from being offended.

 

[bradly1101]

I'm straight, but I think it's supposed to be an answer to the long history of homosexuality being pushed underground. It's hard to express your pride in your sexuality without expressing your sexuality, no?

I see your point, but I believe sexual preference can be expressed by hand-holding, kissing, and hugging; the actual act of sex doesn't need to be mimicked (IMO).

As far as not wanting to be exposed (lol) to that, it's not hard to avoid the pride parades, and if you want to march in support of gay rights without dealing with that, my understanding is that there are usually tamer options that are part of pride celebrations (though I don't know for certain on that, and it probably varies from place to place.)

The only other Pride event here is The Festival. Trust me, there's actual sex going on there, and the alcohol flows like water.

I still don't get the word 'pride' in this context. Sure there's years of people looking down on us to react to, but pride? I'm no more proud of being gay than I am for having fingernails.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I still don't get the word 'pride' in this context. Sure there's years of people looking down on us to react to, but pride? I'm no more proud of being gay than I am for having fingernails.

Gay Pride literally started as an event to counter the overwhelming stigma that homosexuality should be a cause for shame. That's why they called it "Pride;" it's the opposite of "shame." They've been using the term for 45 years. Complaining about the name of Gay Pride is like complaining about the NAACP or the United Negro College Fund; the name reflects the language of the time it was founded.

 

[xBiffx]

I still don't get the word 'pride' in this context. Sure there's years of people looking down on us to react to, but pride? I'm no more proud of being gay than I am for having fingernails.

From the sounds of it, you aren't one who is looking for attention or to an even lesser extent looking to be noticed. I understand that when someone wants to send a message it helps when they have your attention. But there are much better ways of getting that attention than gross misconduct. Especially when the reason you are looking for attention is to increase their levels respect, dignity, and recognition towards you.

I know that doesn't explain it well, but it perhaps gives a reason for some of this behavior.

 

[bradly1101]

I'm not reading back through many pages of bickering but what does Folsom Street Fair have to do with marriage?
It's kinda the opposite sort of thing isn't it?

I've never been and unlike a parade where kids and families are often (and at Gay Pride parades witness some pretty raunchy stuff), Folsom is for adults only and is indeed the antithesis of marriage. From descriptions it sounds like an open air bath house scene, where every perversion is on display.

From my posts I'm sure I sound like a prude among gays and I guess I am. Romance gets to me, not overt sexuality, but we're all different. There's nothing wrong with a little mystery.

 

[K1052]

Let me know when St. Patrick's Day is about advancing some cause instead of just another reason to be merry and drink until you pass out.

What I'm not buying is the argument that it's detrimental. Attendance at gay pride parades in cities has climbed steadily over the decade and gay marriage is now legal in the entire country. Not exactly fulfilling the "concern" of some people that they have an adverse effect on the cause.

 

[xBiffx]

What I'm not buying is the argument that it's detrimental.

How could it not be? It undermines the overall message. The purpose of the parade is to gain respect, dignity, and recognition. It's probably best for the parade participants to practice it as well. People are very good at reciprocating behavior.

Saying that its not detrimental because number have increased are meaningless. It was never a numbers game, it was a recognition and message game. Sure its easier with numbers but more numbers doesn't guarantee your message gets through.

 

[WHAMPOM]

What don't you guys get. It is a Public Area. These acts are illegal in public areas. This crap does in fact go on in other Pride Events, in public areas. I didn't say ALL Events.

Acts like that happen everywhere whatever the gender mix, get used to it. You get a woody from looking and are ashamed of it? Or is it something that happens just in your imagination? Pick a topic some one gives a shit about.

 

[bradly1101]

Gay Pride literally started as an event to counter the overwhelming stigma that homosexuality should be a cause for shame. That's why they called it "Pride;" it's the opposite of "shame." They've been using the term for 45 years. Complaining about the name of Gay Pride is like complaining about the NAACP or the United Negro College Fund; the name reflects the language of the time it was founded.

As I said, I know it was a reaction, and after all what are humans if not reaction machines? I just said that it made no sense for me.

I get that we all have to react to and argue every point though; it is the Internet.

 

[zinfamous]

Let me know when St. Patrick's Day is about advancing some cause instead of just another reason to be merry and drink until you pass out.

"when" started 300 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Day_in_the_United_States

Now that our society seems to be far more tolerant of those "filthy Irish," it has, as you said, become nothing more than a reason to get drunk and be merry and, as you well know, public fornication as witnessed in various parking locks around the country on those days (don't even pretend that you care less about it simply because it's hetero-fornication). but again--you are confusing the events of what happens at a small, highly contained event with what actually happens at Pride parades.

anyway, once your kind is long dead and gone, and society in general becomes far more accepting of this norm, Pride parades will probably develop more along the lines of what we now see with St patty's Day; if they continue at all. who knows.