I sincerely doubt that anyone who is still opposed to same sex marriage will ever change their mind, luckily, there are fewer and fewer of those around, and less every day.
It seems this President and his attorney general disagree with you about enforcing the law. (They are not unique in this regard. And she hasn't had the job long but I doubt Ms Lynch is different from Holder in this.)Yep. Like it or hate it, a SCOTUS decision has the effect of Constitutional law. Any government official refusing to honor it should be fired, immediately. And any government officials refusing to take this step should be fired. I absolutely hate Kelo v. New London, consider it one of the worst decisions ever, and unlike gay marriage it potentially has disastrous effects on other people, but I would honor it because it's the law. If I am not willing to honor it, then I have no right to a job with that power.
Nothing catastrophic happened. Gun laws are often changed, in both directions, and most often "nothing bad" happens.. in the short term anyway.That's already happened. Most of our nation had already legalized same sex marriage. Nothing bad happened.
There are deep disagreements about what the word "fair" means.This is shit we should have learned by kindergarten: be nice, be fair.
Meh. I know "true Christians" who love more than most people.Some true Christians are looking at the SSM decision in the proper light by reasoning that this is what has to happen for the end times to happen, thus making them happy the end of the world will be here real soon. Zombie Jesus isn't going to come if Christians keep trying to turn the US into a Christian theocracy. Why should he come if everything is perfect? They need things to fall to shit for Happy Times to arrive.
They need to sit back, let things fall to shit and hope for the worst. :biggrin:
Meh. I know "true Christians" who love more than most people.
There are Christians, and then there are assholes who wear a Christian mask to make it more palatable to their family, friends and neighbors.
I'm an agnostic. I have absolutely zero faith in man-made fairy tales. Some people would call me an atheist.Ahh... then in the case of this guy, he must be an asshole Christian preacher because he's a regular guest on Fox. Still, if the end times are going to come, Christians need to stop trying to prevent it by creating a theocracy.
Just let us all go crazy and they can sit there all smug and satisfied that they are going to heaven and the four horsemen are going to turn us into New Jersey, I mean hell on earth.
Everyone is happy! :biggrin:
Ahh... then in the case of this guy, he must be an asshole Christian preacher because he's a regular guest on Fox. Still, if the end times are going to come, Christians need to stop trying to prevent it by creating a theocracy.
Just let us all go crazy and they can sit there all smug and satisfied that they are going to heaven and the four horsemen are going to turn us into New Jersey, I mean hell on earth.
Everyone is happy! :biggrin:
I sincerely doubt that anyone who is still opposed to same sex marriage will ever change their mind, luckily, there are fewer and fewer of those around, and less every day.
Man, I would never have suspected that 90s Portland could be less politically correct than 60s/70s Rhea County, Tennessee. You're spot on about conformity though - teens want to be different, but only different just like everybody else.Portland, Oregon, a liberal enclave and home of roughly 72% of all the world's lesbians prior to 1987. This was in the early 90s, so it wasn't like "queer" was some new word that had come around; I think kids had just gotten used to the notion of a game called "Smear the Queer" without paying any thought as to why that might be considered bad. One of my all time embarrassing moments was seeing my mother rip into a group of kids at my afterschool care when she heard one of them say that. Conformity is so much more important than standing up for what's right when you're a kid, you know? Niceness be damned. Some people just never grow out of that. And it makes sense; going against the status quo is inherently uncomfortable.
Goods points, especially the bolded. Although surely the President deserves more leeway than county clerks. Full disclosure, I applauded Obama for ignoring DOMA and condemned him for ignoring immigration law, so my morals are as flexible as anyone's. LolIt seems this President and his attorney general disagree with you about enforcing the law. (They are not unique in this regard. And she hasn't had the job long but I doubt Ms Lynch is different from Holder in this.)
Nothing catastrophic happened. Gun laws are often changed, in both directions, and most often "nothing bad" happens.. in the short term anyway.
It would've been interesting from a scientific standpoint to measure differences in various metrics between states with legalized SSM & those without. The States being the laboratories of democracy in a very real sense. We had a few years with scattered differences... not long enough for useful data I would think.
There are deep disagreements about what the word "fair" means.
Not to mention a lot of people make their living ignoring it.
Lol I'll have to ask my wife, but probably.Were, now that gay marriage is legal, is it too soon for me to make an indecent proposal to you?
Now wait a second. If those still opposed to same-sex marriage will never change their minds, then how is it possible (other than by dying) that there are fewer and fewer "opposeds" around every day?
Since the approval/disapproval rates are expressed as percentages of population, perhaps the increasing numbers of young persons is at least partly contributing to the increasing percentage of approval?
this still an argument? lol
why are people bringing religion into this? it has nothing to do with religion. this is all about law.
Because pretty much the only argument against it is "My pet sky fairy disapproves of you doing it so stop."
I am an atheist, and have no religious reasons for denying gays the right to be married; but, I have very secular reasons.
1. The primary evolutionary purpose of a man and a woman is to propagate the species and raising children.
2. Homosexual men are more than twice as likely to spread HIV and other STDs than straight men, which applies to lesbian woman too.
3. Homosexual men and lesbians are much more likely to have serious substance abuse problems. Gay Men and Substance Abuse: A Basic Guide for Addicts and Those Who Care for Them - available at Amazon. "Can I blame gay culture for my drug addiction, please?" http://marksking.com/my-fabulous-disease/can-i-blame-gay-culture-for-my-drug-addiction-please/ Lesbians and Substance Abuse http://www.curvemag.com/Curve-Magazine/Web-Articles-2010/Lesbians-and-Substance-Abuse/
4. Gay are not the proper role models to raise children. Children need a real female mom and a real male dad, one of each. All recent studies prove that children are best raised by a man and a woman.
New Research on Children of Same-Sex Parents Suggests Differences Matter
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/11...same-sex-parents-suggests-differences-matter/
Since the approval/disapproval rates are expressed as percentages of population, perhaps the increasing numbers of young persons is at least partly contributing to the increasing percentage of approval?
Actually no, there are atheists against it too. Might be some good fodder for debate....
http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-there-any-secular-arguments-against-gay-marriage
None of those quoted reasons have anything to do with marriage.
"The biggest danger homosexual civil marriage presents is the enshrining into law the notion that sexual love, regardless of its fecundity, is the sole criterion for marriage. If the state must recognize a marriage of two men simply because they love one another, upon what basis can it deny marital recognition to a group of two men and three women, for example, or a sterile brother and sister who claim to love each other? Homosexual activists protest that they only want all couples treated equally. But why is sexual love between two people more worthy of state sanction than love between three, or five? When the purpose of marriage is procreation, the answer is obvious. If sexual love becomes the primary purpose, the restriction of marriage to couples loses its logical basis, leading to marital chaos."
Yea they were pretty lame reasons I agree. But.... those were the posted views of an atheist who opposes gay marriage. Just trying to make the point that a belief in God is not necessary to oppose gay marriage, all that is required is a dislike for gays..
Because pretty much the only argument against it is "My pet sky fairy disapproves of you doing it so stop."