SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

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Mursilis

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Well if she has a shred of moral integrity she will resign. If she goes ahead and signs certs, it just means that her supposed ethics can be sold at the price of her salary.

Or maybe that she's discovered the folly of her ways?
 

Newell Steamer

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Let the martyrdom begin,...

http://www.aclu-ky.org/articles/breaking-contempt-motion-filed-against-rowan-county-clerk/

The American Civil Liberties Union and the American Civil Liberties Union of Kentucky today filed two motions with a Kentucky district court to hold Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis accountable for her continuing refusal to issue marriage licenses to couples in the case Miller v. Davis.

The motions ask the court to hold Davis in contempt of court for failing to comply with its previous ruling and to clarify that Davis must issue marriage licenses to everybody, not just the four named couples in the case. The court set a contempt hearing for this Thursday, at which Davis will be required to answer to the judge for her violation of the order and could face steep fines.

Last night, the U.S. Supreme Court denied Davis’ request for an emergency stay of the district court’s order pending an appeal. Davis, thus, has no legal basis to avoid performing her duties as government clerk, which include issuing marriage licenses to same-sex and opposite sex couples following the historic and sweeping marriage equality ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges this June.

The following comment may be attributed to Steven R. Shapiro, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union:

“It is unfortunate that we’ve been compelled to take further action today to ensure that the people of Rowan County can obtain the marriage licenses they’re entitled to receive from their County Clerk’s office. The law is clear and the courts have spoken. The duty of public officials is to enforce the law, not place themselves above it.”
 
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I have to assume that if an elected official is incarcerated and "unable to serve" the county executive is empowered to appoint a temporary replacement.

She appears to have a back up for when she is out of the office. Originally people were being sent to the back up guy who I guess got sick of that shit and started to say he can only issue them when she is out of the office.
 

shira

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She appears to have a back up for when she is out of the office. Originally people were being sent to the back up guy who I guess got sick of that shit and started to say he can only issue them when she is out of the office.

So I think you're saying what I was saying: Once Davis is in the slammer on contempt charges, the backup (or the appointed temporary replacement) can issue same-sex marriage licenses. At that point, presumably Ms. Davis will realize that her resistance is irrelevant, and she can agree to abide by the law (and get out of jail, after paying a hefty fine [which I'm sure her far-right supporters will foot the bill for]) OR she can remain in jail "on principle."
 

werepossum

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More news from msn. Her and her entire staff have been ordered to show up for Thursdays time before the Judge. The Judged ordered this. I wonder if this is going to be a confirm understanding meeting or if more smack downs will be handed out?
Probably a direct question session. Nothing judges hate more than being ignored, and with them all present he can get the answer he wants or send them directly to jail on contempt charges.
 

DrDoug

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From her statement today, it sounds like she 'got religion' recently:

In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.
Shit, if the SCOTUS had only ruled on gay marriage five years ago she probably would have followed the law..lol! But now that she's been forgiven she has no choice but to break it because Jeebus. IME it's usually the converts who are some of the biggest zealots.

She acts like she only gets forgiven once but she's new to Christianity so she probably doesn't understand that God hands out forgiveness like Halloween candy. She should just sin all week (by handing out licenses) and go to church to seek forgiveness for her sins every Sunday, like all those other good Christians out there. ()
 
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So I think you're saying what I was saying: Once Davis is in the slammer on contempt charges, the backup (or the appointed temporary replacement) can issue same-sex marriage licenses. At that point, presumably Ms. Davis will realize that her resistance is irrelevant, and she can agree to abide by the law (and get out of jail, after paying a hefty fine [which I'm sure her far-right supporters will foot the bill for]) OR she can remain in jail "on principle."

Yeah that's similar to what I was thinking.
 
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Probably a direct question session. Nothing judges hate more than being ignored, and with them all present he can get the answer he wants or send them directly to jail on contempt charges.

That's the confirm understanding event, line them all up and ask them one at a time "tomorrow when the office opens will you issue, sign and process applications as expected yes or no" no means you will be violating the courts order.
 

werepossum

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From her statement today, it sounds like she 'got religion' recently:

Shit, if the SCOTUS had only ruled on gay marriage five years ago she probably would have followed the law..lol! But now that she's been forgiven she has no choice but to break it because Jeebus. IME it's usually the converts who are some of the biggest zealots.

She acts like she only gets forgiven once but she's new to Christianity so she probably doesn't understand that God hands out forgiveness like Halloween candy. She should just sin all week (by handing out licenses) and go to church to seek forgiveness for her sins every Sunday, like all those other good Christians out there. ()
Maybe had she been a Christian a bit longer she would realize that Jesus never spoke on homosexuality and her piety might be better served keeping marriage licenses out of the hands of the wealthy and non-believers.

That's the confirm understanding event, line them all up and ask them one at a time "tomorrow when the office opens will you issue, sign and process applications as expected yes or no" no means you will be violating the courts order.
Gotcha. Thought you meant a deal already had been struck.
 

waggy

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I have found people like her are the ones that take a belief and drive it into the ground. She is "born again" christian. married multiple times and cheated on her husbands.

Who is she to say who can and can't be married?

she needs to resign or be fired. this needs to happen today.
 

Ns1

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dude y'all, why are you bringing up her past divorces? She found jesus and is forgiven.
 

SMOGZINN

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dude y'all, why are you bringing up her past divorces? She found jesus and is forgiven.

It took her four marriages and two illigitimate children to find Jesus, so why is she standing in the way of other people path to finding Jesus in the same way?
 

Ns1

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It took her four marriages and two illigitimate children to find Jesus, so why is she standing in the way of other people path to finding Jesus in the same way?

They haven't found Jesus yet, so they cannot be married.
 
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It took her four marriages and two illigitimate children to find Jesus, so why is she standing in the way of other people path to finding Jesus in the same way?

I know lets see a Catholic take this job next and turn away all Divorcees who have not had an annulment, anyone who has not been baptized or plan on being married by anyone but a Catholic Priest.
I have a feeling that wouldn't go over so well.
 
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I'd like to see a Quaker take a govt job that distributes handgun licenses and refuse to disperse them due to his/her beliefs on pacifism. I wonder how that would go over.
 

shira

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This woman made an oath to uphold the Constitution of United States of America when she assumed the office of Clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of .... according to law;"

But she now finds her personal religious beliefs at odds with the Constitution of the United States, so she is violating her oath. That being the case, she is honor-bound to resign. That is the only honorable thing to do.
 

cabri

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It took her four marriages and two illigitimate children to find Jesus, so why is she standing in the way of other people path to finding Jesus in the same way?

What is your definition of illegitimate?
 

Blackjack200

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il·le·git·i·mate
/ˌiləˈjidəmət/
adjective

That which is not legitimate. Also, bastard.
 

BoberFett

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no big shocker here, turns out Mrs Davis isn't just a slight hypocrite...

"She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried."

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...lerk-fighting-gay-marriage-has-wed-four-times

Dafuq?

How does that even work? I'm trying to imagine the timeline between having kids with a third husband before you've divorced your first one?
 
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