SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

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shira

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Here's the thing about bigots...they never think they're bigots as they have rationalized their bigotry in a way that makes perfect sense to them. And the really sad part...they seem to be quite content living in this bubble, completely oblivious to their ignorance and mental depravity.
Even more that that, they are either unwilling or too stupid to recognize that if the "principle" with which they rationalize their bigoted actions were adopted by others, there would be all sorts of consequences that the bigots would decry. In effect, they're claiming "My freedom trumps your freedom, even if you use exactly the same justification as I do."
 
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Even more that that, they are either unwilling or too stupid to recognize that if the "principle" with which they rationalize their bigoted actions were adopted by others, there would be all sorts of consequences that the bigots would decry. In effect, they're claiming "My freedom trumps your freedom, even if you use exactly the same justification as I do."
Yep...I couldn't agree more.
 

SMOGZINN

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Honestly, I don't see why she doesn't simply find another job that doesn't compel her to violate her religious beliefs.

She was quoted the other day saying that she believes that God choose her to fight this fight. She won't quit because she believes that God will find a way for her to win and defeat same sex marriage. Now she either has to stick to her guns or accept that her belief is wrong.
 
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Haha the Judge did bring everyone else in to confirm undderstanding:

The judge said she left him with no alternative but to jail her, since fines alone would not serve to change her mind. She was escorted out of his courtroom by a deputy, although not in handcuffs, to be turned over to the custody of federal marshals.

The judge also told all five of her deputy clerks that they are free to issue licenses to all applicants, and also face fines or jail if they refuse to comply. He gave them a chance to meet with lawyers before returning to his courtroom to reveal their decisions.

The lawyer for Davis, whose defense is funded by the Liberty Counsel, a religious freedom group, argued that the deputy clerks can only issue licenses under Davis' authority, but the judge overrulled this objection.
 

Retro Rob

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On second thought, I'm persuaded and agree. This particular situation does go beyond what should be reasonably accommodated.

The danger in her position is that this could possibly set a precedent for others to find ways to wiggle out of doing their jobs WHILE keeping them.

There's nothing reasonable about make special concessions for one person -- it would indeed create a hostile work environment, especially since others would get FIRED for refusing to perform the same job.
 

shira

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She was quoted the other day saying that she believes that God choose her to fight this fight. She won't quit because she believes that God will find a way for her to win and defeat same sex marriage. Now she either has to stick to her guns or accept that her belief is wrong.
She is perfectly free to fight this fight, but not while acting in the official capacity as the Clerk of Rowan County. In fact, she can keep her job AND fight this fight, but she has to issue same-sex marriage licenses while "on duty" and reserve fighting the fight for when she's off the clock as Country Clerk.

As has been stated before, her oath of office included promising to uphold the Constitution of the United States. How can she in good faith violate her promise, yet insist that she should be able to keep her job?
 
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Sonikku

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Methinks she is enjoying her 15 minutes of fame too much to do that. She could up a rich woman after this, either from donations for the Christian right, a book deal or lawsuit. We tend to glorify and enrich the worst amongst ourselves.

Next think you know she'll set up a kickstarter. "I didn't do my job because "Jesus", give me money!"
 

Retro Rob

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She was quoted the other day saying that she believes that God choose her to fight this fight. She won't quit because she believes that God will find a way for her to win and defeat same sex marriage. Now she either has to stick to her guns or accept that her belief is wrong.

All they have to do is find someone else to issue marriage licenses, and the problem is solved. How is that defeating gay marriage, when its already become law anyway? My guess is that if God truly wanted gay marriage defeated, it would not have become law of the land.

But you're right, she has to stick with her guns for the reason you mentioned...to save face.

But really...this is a way to claim that she's being "persecuted for righteousness sake", when this is really a penalty for refusing to do a job she's obligated to do.
 

alien42

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I imagine that this is true for some. However, I was listening to a local conservative talk show on the radio this morning and they supported the SCOTUS decision. Imagine that! What's this world coming to?

no different than all the other equal rights issues that conservatives fight so hard against and then have to accept once the law is updated and/or made clear.

be it for voting, race, sex, religion, sexual preference, etc.
 

Retro Rob

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I thought this was telling:

Her critics mock this moral stand, noting that Davis is on her fourth marriage.

...and if she remarried WHILE a born-again, this needs to be pointed out and she needs to address this.

I personally cannot stand how Christians can take such a hard line stance against gay marriage, while divorcing and living unmarried, etc.
 
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I thought this was telling:



...and if she remarried WHILE a born-again, this needs to be pointed out and she needs to address this.

I personally cannot stand how Christians can take such a hard line stance against gay marriage, while divorcing and living unmarried, etc.

This isn't the first and won't be the last example of Christians selectively adhering the bible to further their own agenda or limit the rights of others.
 

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I got a feeling she's going to lose her 'faith' before long. I say she stays in jail for 5 days. What say you?
 
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I got a feeling she's going to lose her 'faith' before long. I say she stays in jail for 5 days. What say you?

Oh this is an interesting idea. I'm on the fence its either going to be real quick like one day or a whole bunch.
I'll go big I say she'll resign right before Thanksgiving. Not sure how many days that is.
 

Retro Rob

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This isn't the first and won't be the last example of Christians selectively adhering the bible to further their own agenda or limit the rights of others.

I'm really sorry to say this as a Christian myself, but doing that would almost ensure "persecution" -- that's why many of us cherry pick like that.

...but when you dig into these people's lives, they are heavy drinkers, serial porn watchers, women beaters, etc...but they want us to think they're innocent victims of a godless system of governance.

How does she know this isn't God's way of telling her to step down and find another job?
 
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Oh this is an interesting idea. I'm on the fence its either going to be real quick like one day or a whole bunch.
I'll go big I say she'll resign right before Thanksgiving. Not sure how many days that is.

I think she will resign in days. If that long. It's her only "principled" option.
 

Newell Steamer

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And, here are the GOPers who are supporting their fellow sack of garbage:

Candidates Defending Davis
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie: In a Wednesday radio interview with Laura Ingraham, Christie acknowledged that “someone who works in the government has a bit of a different obligation than someone who’s in the private sector or obviously working for educational institutions that’s religiously based or others,” but opined that “we have to protect religious liberty and people’s ability to be able to practice their religion freely and openly, and of course we have to enforce the law too.”

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz: In a Facebook post on Tuesday, Cruz denounced a “war on faith” and wrote: “We should make it possible for believers, such as Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis in Kentucky, to hold government jobs without having to violate their religious beliefs. We can work together to come up with alternative ways to ensure that government functions are accomplished without infringing on religious liberty.”

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee: In a statement on Tuesday, Huckabee said, “I spoke with Kim Davis this morning to offer my prayers and support. I let her know how proud I am of her for not abandoning her religious convictions and standing strong for religious liberty. She is showing more courage and humility than just about any federal office holder in Washington.” Huckabee further argued that since the Supreme Court does not have the authority to make law, it would be unconstitutional for Davis to issue same-sex marriage licenses. “I stand with Kim Davis and every American of faith under attack by Washington elites who have nothing but disdain for us, our faith and the Constitution,” he concluded.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal: Jindal told the Huffington Post that Davis should not have to resign or to issue licenses to same-sex couples: “I don’t think anyone should have to choose between following their conscience and religious beliefs and giving up their job and facing financial sanctions. I think it’s wrong to force Christian individuals or business owners. We are seeing government today discriminate against whether it’s clerks, florists, musicians or others. I think that’s wrong. I think you should be able to keep your job and follow your conscience. I absolutely do believe people have a First Amendment right, a constitutional right. I don’t think the court can take that away.”
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul: On Boston Herald Radio, Paul said Monday that government should not have any role in marriage licensing and that specifically he objects “to the state putting its imprimatur to the specialness of marriage on something that’s different from what most people have defined as marriage for most of history.” He defended Davis, arguing, “I think people who do stand up and are making a stand to say that they believe in something is an important part of the American way.”

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio: In a statement to the New York Times, Rubio called for “a balance between government’s responsibility to abide by the laws of our republic and allowing people to stand by their religious convictions.” Noting that the clerk’s office has a “governmental duty to carry out the law,” he urged that, “there should be a way to protect the religious freedom and conscience rights of individuals working in the office.” He added that the nation “was founded on the human right of religious freedom, and our elected leaders have a duty to protect that right by ensuring that no one is forced by the government to violate their conscience and deeply held religious beliefs about traditional marriage.”

Links to their comments within the link; http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/09/03/3698273/republican-candidates-anti-gay-kentucky-clerk/
 

JSt0rm

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Oh she is hooked up after this. Prosperity gospel will insure she has a comfortable life.
 

TechBoyJK

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I got a feeling she's going to lose her 'faith' before long. I say she stays in jail for 5 days. What say you?

Well, I don't think she can bail out because it's a contempt charge. Did they say how long she has to be jailed for? Hopefully it's like 3 fuckin months.

Orange is the new black, yo.
 

alien42

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Well, I don't think she can bail out because it's a contempt charge. Did they say how long she has to be jailed for? Hopefully it's like 3 fuckin months.

Orange is the new black, yo.

"Judge Bunning told Ms. Davis, who is an elected official, that she would be released once she agreed to comply with his order and issue the marriage licenses."

let her rot in there.
 

Newell Steamer

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Oh she is hooked up after this. Prosperity gospel will insure she has a comfortable life.

Gofundme, millionaire Christians who want to show off their generosity and tele-preachers will flock to her to ask her; "How has Jesus helped you through this time of being persecuted by the minions of satan?" as they dole out cash to help her in her battle against not being allowed to break the law and deny a citizen of the country she lives (edit: and decided to serve in the public sector) in their rights.
 
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TechBoyJK

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I'm really sorry to say this as a Christian myself, but doing that would almost ensure "persecution" -- that's why many of us cherry pick like that.

...but when you dig into these people's lives, they are heavy drinkers, serial porn watchers, women beaters, etc...but they want us to think they're innocent victims of a godless system of governance.

How does she know this isn't God's way of telling her to step down and find another job?

She's not a very reasonable person.
 

Newell Steamer

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I'm really sorry to say this as a Christian myself, but doing that would almost ensure "persecution" -- that's why many of us cherry pick like that.

...but when you dig into these people's lives, they are heavy drinkers, serial porn watchers, women beaters, etc...but they want us to think they're innocent victims of a godless system of governance.

How does she know this isn't God's way of telling her to step down and find another job?

It just oozes hatred.

Paging Dr. Savage Fan, paging Dr. Savaging Fan. Your raging moronism is needed on the forums. Paging Dr. Savage Fan.
 
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