SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

[Fanatical Meat]

Well, are they effectively defending Sharia law or not?

Its a big leap.

To Bobber: If the Muslim bakery offers bacon bits as a menu item then they should serve bacon bits to anyone who asks. If they don't offer bacon bits then the couple would need to find a Baker that offers bacon bits.

 

[BoberFett]

Well, are they effectively defending Sharia law or not?

Of course not. That's a pretty goddamn stupid thing for you to say. You should really think twice before opening your stupid mouth. Maybe three times just to be sure.

Or are you going to say that Democrats defend Nazism because both believed in publicly funded health care? Or look at the Nazi stance on smoking. Damn! The Democrats are defending Nazism!

In other words, you're a dumbfuck.

 

[BoberFett]

Its a big leap.

To Bobber: If the Muslim bakery offers bacon bits as a menu item then they should serve bacon bits to anyone who asks. If they don't offer bacon bits then the couple would need to find a Baker that offers bacon bits.

Oh, so as long as the baker doesn't offer cake toppers with two men or two women, then they have to find one that does?

But don't worry, the happy couple will supply their own bacon frosting.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oh, so as long as the baker doesn't offer cake toppers with two men or two women, then they have to find one that does?

But don't worry, the happy couple will supply their own bacon frosting.

So much wrong here but go ahead keep patting yourself on the back honorable internet warrior.
Seems like you're the one who is worried about the frosting.
This is my last post about cakes lets get back on topic after you post your rebuttal to stroke your ego.

 

[Steeplerot]

In other words, you're a dumbfuck.

After all these years, what a insufferable douchenozzle you still are! Damn, that's commitment son!

 

[MongGrel]

Paging Dr. Savage Fan, paging Dr. Savaging Fan. Your raging moronism is needed on the forums. Paging Dr. Savage Fan.

He actually flip flopped on this one.

I about went into shock.

Here's the thing about bigots...they never think they're bigots as they have rationalized their bigotry in a way that makes perfect sense to them. And the really sad part...they seem to be quite content living in this bubble, completely oblivious to their ignorance and mental depravity.

On second thought, I'm persuaded and agree. This particular situation does go beyond what should be reasonably accommodated.

 

[BoberFett]

After all these years, what a insufferable douchenozzle you still are! Damn, that's commitment son!

You're still alive?

 

[werepossum]

After all these years, what a insufferable douchenozzle you still are! Damn, that's commitment son!

Shit, they let you out already?

Missed your commie ass around our little cesspool. Welcome back.

 

[MongGrel]

After all these years, what a insufferable douchenozzle you still are! Damn, that's commitment son!

Someone has to continue carrying that mantle it seems

 

[Vic]

Following this whole thing on social media, I've decided that it's a litmus test to determine between those who understand the Constitution and those who don't.

 

[Vic]

It's scary how openly they, with the exception of Christie, endorse the idea of the government being run based on the religious beliefs of the employees. Where are the Constitutional Defenders who are usually so vocal?

Believe it or not, they have somehow managed to convince themselves that it is the 1st amendment rights of this elected government official that are being infringed as she abuses her position of government authority to establish her religion on the people in her county.
Really, the weirdest thing ever.

 

[RY62]

I think there comes a point where if your religious beliefs do not allow you to perform the duties of your job, then you should not in good faith persist in said job.

I can agree with this. If her faith is that strong, she should know that God will provide.

I haven't been following this story so I have questions. When did she become the clerk? Was same sex marriage legal when she took the job? If she knew what she was getting into, when she took the job, I hope she enjoys her stay in jail.

On the other hand, if she has been doing the job but now the job requirements have changed, in a way that she is no longer able to perform the required tasks, I have a problem with this.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I can agree with this. If her faith is that strong, she should know that God will provide.

I haven't been following this story so I have questions. When did she become the clerk? Was same sex marriage legal when she took the job? If she knew what she was getting into, when she took the job, I hope she enjoys her stay in jail.

On the other hand, if she has been doing the job but now the job requirements have changed, in a way that she is no longer able to perform the required tasks, I have a problem with this.

1. Not sure when but it was fairly recent. Her mother did the job before her its an elected position
2. No same sex marriage was not legal when she was elected
No need to feel bad for her she is an elected official she needs to do what is legal and currently same sex marriage is legal. There are places where she is wrong, signing of a paper as county clerk doesn't mean she agrees with gay marriage. Her major fault was she refused to marry anyone until the matter was solved in court. The matter was solved in court and her suit was dismissed, she appealed to the Supreme Court and they refused to hear the case thus letting the two lower court rulings stand. In her elected position she is expected to issue marriage licenses and she simply refuses to.

ps she makes 88k per year for this job and she employs her son

 

[Sabrewings]

On the other hand, if she has been doing the job but now the job requirements have changed, in a way that she is no longer able to perform the required tasks, I have a problem with this.

No one is forcing her to do the job. She can resign at any point. If she can't separate her personal objections from her professional duties, she shouldn't be in the position anyway.

 

[DrPizza]

I can agree with this. If her faith is that strong, she should know that God will provide.

I haven't been following this story so I have questions. When did she become the clerk? Was same sex marriage legal when she took the job? If she knew what she was getting into, when she took the job, I hope she enjoys her stay in jail.

On the other hand, if she has been doing the job but now the job requirements have changed, in a way that she is no longer able to perform the required tasks, I have a problem with this.

She is eligible to resign, and had plenty of time between the SC decision and now to do so.

 

[RY62]

No one is forcing her to do the job. She can resign at any point. If she can't separate her personal objections from her professional duties, she shouldn't be in the position anyway.

So, what I'm hearing is that the job has changed so that she can no longer do it and we say "if you don't like it, quit". You see, I have a problem with that. Elected or otherwise, I wouldn't like it if my boss came in tomorrow and said from now on, you'll need to do some task that he knows I can't do. If you don't like it, quit.

I see this more as a handicap. Let her keep doing the job she was elected to do. Hire somebody else to do the new task.

 

[nickqt]

So, what I'm hearing is that the job has changed so that she can no longer do it and we say "if you don't like it, quit". You see, I have a problem with that. Elected or otherwise, I wouldn't like it if my boss came in tomorrow and said from now on, you'll need to do some task that he knows I can't do. If you don't like it, quit.

I see this more as a handicap. Let her keep doing the job she was elected to do. Hire somebody else to do the new task.

Her job, genius, is to hand out marriage certificates.

The only thing that changed is that any two people can go in and get a marriage certificate now.

If she doesn't want to perform her job, which consists of handing out marriage certificates, she should quit, join the Republican party, get elected to office, and then refuse to perform her job.

 

[sportage]

This was just a stunt and she and her lawyers knew it would be.
Her lawyers are from a right wing faith based organization.
She had many outs, but chose and her lawyers chose to push this to the boiling point.
She is a scum bag pushing her religious beliefs down the throats of everyone else.
This is a perfect example why so many are turning away from religion, especially turning against organized religion. All it takes is one bad apple, this bad apple, to spoil it for many.

If she really was that religious or knew what it was to be truly religious, she simply would have quit. But instead, she chose to pervert and twists the concept of religion to make some political point.
This is how religion can be used to cause great harm and great damage.
While thousands probably will not die this time because of her actions, throughout history thousands and millions have died as result from the same type of individuals that purposely pervert twist religion for evil purposes.
Look at this lady. Look closely.
She is exactly what the bible warns against.
And it's no wonder Mike Huckabee runs to her defense. Huckabee does the same thing with religion. Like this lady, Mike uses religion to spread hate and bigotry.
There is a special place in hell for people like this.
And it's HOT HOT HOT...

 

[RY62]

Her job, genius, is to hand out marriage certificates.

The only thing that changed is that any two people can go in and get a marriage certificate now.

If she doesn't want to perform her job, which consists of handing out marriage certificates, she should quit, join the Republican party, get elected to office, and then refuse to perform her job.

Part of her job, genius, was to hand out marriage certificates.

From rowancountyclerk.com - These duties include general categories of clerical duties of the fiscal court: issuing and registering, recording and keeping various legal records, registering and purging voter rolls, and conducting election duties and tax duties.

Seems, she could still do the majority of her job. Somebody else could perform the new task that she is unable to do. There should be a compromise. Unless we just want to be bigots against Christians.

 

[nickqt]

Part of her job, genius, was to hand out marriage certificates.

From rowancountyclerk.com - These duties include general categories of clerical duties of the fiscal court: issuing and registering, recording and keeping various legal records, registering and purging voter rolls, and conducting election duties and tax duties.

Seems, she could still do the majority of her job. Somebody else could perform the new task that she is unable to do. There should be a compromise. Unless we just want to be bigots against Christians.

So, genius, you admit that her job description includes handing out marriage certificates.

If she refuses to do her job, genius, she should be fired.

Get a clue. Buy it, if you have to. Genius.

Thanks for playing!

 

[RY62]

If she really was that religious or knew what it was to be truly religious, she simply would have quit.

Would you just quit a good paying job with, I assume, good benefits, in an area where good jobs are hard to come by, just because your employer tried to force you to do something you couldn't do?

 

[Brainonska511]

Seems, she could still do the majority of her job. Somebody else could perform the new task that she is unable to do. There should be a compromise. Unless we just want to be bigots against Christians.

This is a ridiculous argument. As a clerk, she is acting as a representative of the government and in such a capacity, she has no first amendment rights. Outside of that, she's free to be as bigoted as she wants, but when she acts as the clerk, she needs to be obeying the law, which means issuing marriage certificates to both same-sex and opposite sex couples that seek them.

Would you just quit a good paying job with, I assume, good benefits, in an area where good jobs are hard to come by, just because your employer tried to force you to do something you couldn't do?

She could do it. She is choosing not to do it.

 

[RY62]

So, genius, you admit that her job description includes handing out marriage certificates.

If she refuses to do her job, genius, she should be fired.

Get a clue. Buy it, if you have to. Genius.

Thanks for playing!

Is that the best you've got? No thoughts at all just lame attacks?

 

[nickqt]

Is that the best you've got? No thoughts at all just lame attacks?

Her job description is handing out marriage certificates.

If she refuses to do that because she doesn't like to hand out marriage certificates on Tuesdays and Thursdays, she'd be fired, because she isn't doing her job.

Again. Get a clue. Buy it. Rent-to-own. Whatever it takes to stop being obtuse to defend someone who is abdicating their job for whatever reason they say, in order to not do their job.

 

[RY62]

This is a ridiculous argument. As a clerk, she is acting as a representative of the government and in such a capacity, she has no first amendment rights. Outside of that, she's free to be as bigoted as she wants, but when she acts as the clerk, she needs to be obeying the law, which means issuing marriage certificates to both same-sex and opposite sex couples that seek them.


She could do it. She is choosing not to do it.

Well I'm willing to change my position if what you say is true. I wasn't aware that government employees had to give up their first amendment rights. I'll have to look into that.

The bigot part may or may not be true. I'm willing to give her the benefit of doubt that this is her true religious belief. I'm not ready to be a bigot against her just because she has faith.