I think this old gal let herself be used by her lawyers. they were the ones making the decision and they used her and never actually gave a damn what happened to her, she was a rube. they gave her advice to prevent others signing the licenses knowing the likely outcome
This was just a stunt and she and her lawyers knew it would be.
Her lawyers are from a right wing faith based organization.
She had many outs, but chose and her lawyers chose to push this to the boiling point.
She is a scum bag pushing her religious beliefs down the throats of everyone else.
This is a perfect example why so many are turning away from religion, especially turning against organized religion. All it takes is one bad apple, this bad apple, to spoil it for many.
If she really was that religious or knew what it was to be truly religious, she simply would have quit. But instead, she chose to pervert and twists the concept of religion to make some political point.
This is how religion can be used to cause great harm and great damage.
While thousands probably will not die this time because of her actions, throughout history thousands and millions have died as result from the same type of individuals that purposely pervert twist religion for evil purposes.
Look at this lady. Look closely.
She is exactly what the bible warns against.
And it's no wonder Mike Huckabee runs to her defense. Huckabee does the same thing with religion. Like this lady, Mike uses religion to spread hate and bigotry.
There is a special place in hell for people like this.
And it's HOT HOT HOT...
Shit, they let you out already?
Missed your commie ass around our little cesspool. Welcome back.
Just stopping in, and yes, it is still a cesspool of bourgeoisie. It's ok tho, as you were comrades, don't mind me.
It's probably a smart outcome for her. She will go to jail for a bit and then probably resign her position. After that she'll probably get huge donations from the crazies who think she is a martyr, she can then appear and speak at various events for big $$$, etc.
I don't accept Davis' statement that she fears she'll go to hell if she issues same-sex marriage licenses. Remember, born-agains are very big on the concept of Jesus being the one and only way to reach heaven. You can be the worst sinner day in and day out for your entire life, but if you accept Jesus in the instant before death, you're saved. In fact, as she lays down to sleep each night, Davis can wail to Jesus about what a terrible sinner she is. She can confess that she's so weak, motivated by the need to keep her worldly paycheck. Yeah, that's the ticket, she can blame her same-sex-marriage-certificate-certifying sinning on her worldly neediness and weakness. God ALWAYS forgives the weak (and weak-minded).If the gays are going to hell for diminishing the "sanctity" of marriage, then by that logic she is too because she did the same thing to the "institution of marriage" with her divorces.
I don't know about that. I'm betting that doing so would be a violation of the rules of ethics for an elected offical, which can be a felony. Most of those rules apply even after you resign. A court might be convinced that she is in essence taking money from private parties for not doing her public duty.
EDIT: In fact, after reading the Commonwealth of Kentucky's Ethics rules, specifically executive order 2008-454 section 5 (which seeks to clarify what is allowed for accepting donations for a legal defense fund.) Im pretty sure that her getting represented for free from Liberty Counsel is illegal.
While I'm certainly not up on my Kentucky Ethics Rules, I'd be surprised if she wasn't able to accept speaking fees and things like that afterwards. Is there a specific passage you're looking at?
Of course not. That's a pretty goddamn stupid thing for you to say. You should really think twice before opening your stupid mouth. Maybe three times just to be sure.
Or are you going to say that Democrats defend Nazism because both believed in publicly funded health care? Or look at the Nazi stance on smoking. Damn! The Democrats are defending Nazism!
In other words, you're a dumbfuck.
Davis (and her supporters') position on her legal rights and obligations is such an utter crock of bullshit however you look at it that it's difficult to even respond to it with a straight face at all, but yeah, I was wondering if/when someone was going to get around to mentioning that."Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars"
That was a directive from Jesus.
Why is Davis failing to follow the bible?
If the gays are going to hell for diminishing the "sanctity" of marriage, then by that logic she is too because she did the same thing to the "institution of marriage" with her divorces.
Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Friday that he wished a Kentucky county clerk, Kim Davis, was not jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, but he added that the Supreme Court has ruled and it is "the law of the land."
"You have to go with it. The decision's been made, and that is the law of the land," the real estate mogul said Friday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
Trump declined to weigh in on the issue Thursday -- stating during a press conference he wasn't very familiar with the issue -- but said Friday that Davis should have let her deputies in the office certify the marriages.
"I would say the simple answer is let her clerks do it," he said. "Now from what I understand she's not letting the clerks do it either. The other simple answer is rather than going through this -- because it's really a very, very sticky situation and terrible situation -- 30 miles away they have other places, they have many other places where you get licensed. And you have them actually quite nearby, that's another alternative."
Trump's position puts him at odds with many of his primary opponents who have trumpeted Davis' fight as one for religious liberty.
Wow, Donald Trump is one GOP candidate who isn't trying to ingratiate himself with the religious right on the matter...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/donald-trump-gay-marriage-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis/index.html
There are areas where I disagree with Mr. Trump vehemently but he's clearly so far the most clear-headed voice on this issue out of all the candidates running for the Republican nomination.
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New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie: In a Wednesday radio interview with Laura Ingraham, Christie acknowledged that “someone who works in the government has a bit of a different obligation than someone who’s in the private sector or obviously working for educational institutions that’s religiously based or others,” but opined that “we have to protect religious liberty and people’s ability to be able to practice their religion freely and openly, and of course we have to enforce the law too.”
Former California Senate candidate Carly Fiorina: On Hugh Hewitt’s radio show, Fiorina urged Davis to follow the law or resign: “While I disagree with this court’s decision, their actions are clear. And so I think in this particular case, this woman now needs to make a decision that’s [about] conscience: Is she prepared to continue to work for the government, be paid for by the government, in which case she needs to execute the government’s will, or does she feel so strongly about this that she wants to sever her employment with the government and go seek employment elsewhere where her religious liberties would be paramount over her duties as a government employee?”
I don't accept Davis' statement that she fears she'll go to hell if she issues same-sex marriage licenses. Remember, born-agains are very big on the concept of Jesus being the one and only way to reach heaven. You can be the worst sinner day in and day out for your entire life, but if you accept Jesus in the instant before death, you're saved. In fact, as she lays down to sleep each night, Davis can wail to Jesus about what a terrible sinner she is. She can confess that she's so weak, motivated by the need to keep her worldly paycheck. Yeah, that's the ticket, she can blame her same-sex-marriage-certificate-certifying sinning on her worldly neediness and weakness. God ALWAYS forgives the weak (and weak-minded).
So Davis can commit "sin" and still be saved. So her argument justifying not issuing same-sex marriage licenses is BS.
This is why if all this religion stuff is real then Christianity would actual be a trick of the devil to get people to sin. Pretty cool trick when you think about it - Sin all you want and you will be forgive in the end. Very convenient.
You only have to mean it the LAST time. All the other times, when you were a knowing sinner, don't count.Only problem is you have to actually mean it when you confess your sins to God, if you're not sincere you lied again thus sinned.
Overall Christianity is pretty forgiving.
What a fucking bitch.
Imagine if she was working at a steakhouse, and claimed to be unable to serve meat because she's a vegan. They'd fire her ass in a second.
It's probably a smart outcome for her. She will go to jail for a bit and then probably resign her position. After that she'll probably get huge donations from the crazies who think she is a martyr, she can then appear and speak at various events for big $$$, etc.
An attorney for jailed Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis said Friday that the marriage licenses issued by her deputies to several same-sex couples are invalid.
They are not worth the paper theyre written on, Mat Staver said outside the Carter County Detention Center, where Davis is being held on a contempt charge.
Our position and the position of the clerk of Rowan County is that those licenses are void, Staver said at an afternoon news conference in Grayson, about 35 miles from the Rowan County Courthouse.
Staver said the licenses issued Friday arent valid because they were issued under the county clerks authority but Davis hasnt granted that authority. Even though the marriage licenses no longer bear Daviss name, Staver said they shouldnt carry her title, either.
As the Lexington Herald-Leader noted Friday, Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins has previously said deputy clerks can issue valid marriage licenses without the approval of their boss.
Now Davis is claiming that the same-sex marriage licenses issued today are invalid. And her attorney says he's going to submit a habeas corpus petition to get Davis released.
Her position is absurd. If Davis were in a coma after an accident, would the Country Clerk's office be unable to issue valid marriage licenses? Well, Davis is just as unavailable to perform her duties right now as if where were in a coma.
You only have to mean it the LAST time. All the other times, when you were a knowing sinner, don't count.
Speaking as a non-believer, but putting myself in the shoes of believers, I don't think it matters if God knows you're planning on sinning, or even planning on last-instant repentance. I think all that matters is that at the very, very end the repentance is sincere. And if one did truly believe, then I have no doubt that the repentance would be sincere.And if you had a premeditated plan to sin your entire life only to "repent" at the very end, your repentance at the very end is not sincere. The bible also contains numerous references of the fact that the Lord's judgment will come like a thief in the night, i.e., at an unpredictable point in time. So, it could come at a time when you do not have the opportunity for a last second (not to mention, insincere) repentance. If you accept as true that God is omnipotent and omniscient, you can probably bet that He *knows* that you are planning on sinning your whole life and repenting at the end, so He will bring judgment in a manner that will screw over that poorly thought out plan.
Anywho, that's neither here nor there. I just came in here to say, I'm a Christian and I apologize to everyone else for this lady's misguided actions. She is being a jerk. She is making all Christians look like jerks. Please don't stereotype and assume all of us are jerks like her.