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Zorkorist

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You ignore the failures of Government, and proclaim more Government as the way to solve problems.

We have instituted more and more Government, yet our problems continue to rise.

Global Warming, National Debt, Terrorism, which of these is Government fixing?

Or are they not, the problem?

-John
 

Vic

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County clerks do a lot more than issue marriage certificates.

This whole first-world, civilization thing is actually administrated by the bureaucrats. I know bureaucrat hate is almost as popular as lawyer hate, but it's the truth.

The bureaucrats don't write the shitty laws and they don't choose how much money is allocated to their particular bureaucracy. The politicians who receive b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ campaign contributions do. They're also the ones who mandate the marriage licenses and the bureaucracy in the first place.

Bureaucracy is a funny thing. I worked the first half of my career in small and medium sized businesses. All were privately-owned by the founders, who had usually built the company up on hard work and good luck (and sometimes my help). And I hated bureaucracy. The first refuge of the incompetent is what I used to call it. Then the housing crisis happened, and I found myself working for these crazy huge mega-corps. And I popped off that quip one time in front of a big wig. He turned to me and said, Half a million people depend on this company for their livelihoods and to feed their families, and no single one of you is ever going to be allowed to fuck that up.
Needless to say, my opinion has changed.

Edit: oh yeah, none of those earlier companies are in business today.
 
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Mike64

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You ignore the failures of Government, and proclaim more Government as the way to solve problems.

We have instituted more and more Government, yet our problems continue to rise.

Global Warming, National Debt, Terrorism, which of these is Government fixing?

Or are they not, the problem?

-John
Sorry to interrupt, but I just have to ask: when did stream of consciousness forum posting become a Thing?
 

nickqt

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You ignore the failures of Government, and proclaim more Government as the way to solve problems.

We have instituted more and more Government, yet our problems continue to rise.

Global Warming, National Debt, Terrorism, which of these is Government fixing?

Or are they not, the problem?

-John
The problem you zealots have is that you assume that just because you say something, it's true.

Many libruuls like myself don't proclaim that we need more and more gub'mint and that it will solve all of our problems.

Not being scared of an imaginary number that has no effect on any of our lives doesn't mean I want USSR-style Communism proclaimed yesterday, comrade.

But, if you would like to continue talking in absolutes, using hilariously anachronistic phrases like "Communism" to hand-waive away people who you disagree with politically, do so. You'll continue being a punch line.

Bureaucracy is a funny thing. I worked the first of my career in small and medium sized businesses. Most were privately-owned by the founders, who had usually built the company up on hard work and good luck (and sometimes my help). And I hated bureaucracy. The first refuge of the incompetent is what I used to call it. Then the housing crisis happened, and I found myself working for these crazy huge mega-corps. And I popped off that earlier quip one time in front a big wig. He turned me and said, Half a million people depend on this company for their livelihoods and to feed their families, no single one of you is ever going to be allowed to fuck that up.
Needless to say, my opinion has changed.
Bureaucrats exist in public and private enterprise.

I like to call them workers, or labor.

The rich who own and operate the public and private sectors like to call them moochers and looters. It's why I don't identify with the rich who own and operate the public and private sectors. Generally speaking, the owners don't contribute anywhere near the amount of value to the organization than a common employee making dogshit an hour, or working 50+ hours a week on salary that doesn't include overtime.

Not to say that all business and all owners are awful. Just the greedy ones who think they're why their businesses are successful, ignoring the people doing the, you know, actual work.
 

Zorkorist

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The problem you zealots have is that you assume that just because you say something, it's true.

Many libruuls like myself don't proclaim that we need more and more gub'mint and that it will solve all of our problems.

Not being scared of an imaginary number that has no effect on any of our lives doesn't mean I want USSR-style Communism proclaimed yesterday, comrade.

But, if you would like to continue talking in absolutes, using hilariously anachronistic phrases like "Communism" to hand-waive away people who you disagree with politically, do so. You'll continue being a punch line.


Bureaucrats exist in public and private enterprise.

I like to call them workers, or labor.

The rich who own and operate the public and private sectors like to call them moochers and looters. It's why I don't identify with the rich who own and operate the public and private sectors. Generally speaking, the owners don't contribute anywhere near the amount of value to the organization than a common employee making dogshit an hour, or working 50+ hours a week on salary that doesn't include overtime.

Not to say that all business and all owners are awful. Just the greedy ones who think they're why their businesses are successful, ignoring the people doing the, you know, actual work.
You're the one with the rosy view, while I inject a little realism in your Government is great fantasy.

-John
 

Mike64

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Can you not understand me? Would you like me to use baby words?

-John
Oh, I can understand you. More or less, anyway. My head is just spinning a little from the constant stream of only semi-related sound bites you're posting...:biggrin:
 
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Zorkorist

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Oh, I can understand you. More or less. My head is just spinning a little from the constant stream of only semi-related sound bites you're posting...:biggrin:
OK, glad I got your heart rate up- maybe it will catch your spinning head.

-John
 

Mike64

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Definitely sterno.
Reminds me of Michael Crichton's Andromeda Strain (especially since crying babies came up in the same general discussion)...

What about methyl alcohol rubbing alcohol? I always thought it was invariably and immediately toxic or made you go blind, but that has been vehemently denied by a couple of Russian immigrants I've known...
 
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Vic

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Oh, I can understand you. More or less, anyway. My head is just spinning a little from the constant stream of only semi-related sound bites you're posting...:biggrin:
Not much to understand. John is the kind of pseudo-libertarian populist who says government shouldn't build roads and then complains when government doesn't build roads. To me, it's just annoying.
 

Mike64

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Not much to understand. John is the kind of pseudo-libertarian populist who says government shouldn't build roads and then complains when government doesn't build roads. To me, it's just annoying.
Yeah, I got that. At this point I'm just kinda having a little late-night, long-weekend fun getting into this whole stream of consciousness groove...:biggrin:
 

Vic

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Yeah, I got that. At this point I'm just kinda having a little late-night, long-weekend fun getting into this whole stream of consciousness groove...:biggrin:
Umm... puff, puff, pass?
 

DrDoug

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Sorry to interrupt, but I just have to ask: when did stream of consciousness forum posting become a Thing?

I think of it more like that guy who wanders around town talking to himself and randomly stopping people on the street to let them know that the end is nigh.

We get the forum version.
 

Mike64

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Umm... puff, puff, pass?
Hell no! Trust me, if I were getting high, I'd be thinking of plenty of better (or at least more interesting) things to do. This is just me, albeit me a little past my usual bedtime...

ETA: On which note, I think it's time to go finish my Dashiell Hammett short stories, before I nod off completely. It's been fun, y'all.
 
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Vic

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Hell no! Trust me, if I were getting high, I'd be thinking of plenty of better (or at least more interesting) things to do. This is just me, albeit me a little past my usual bedtime...
My bad, it's just that it's legal in Colorado now and all...
 
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