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RY62

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How about we call you when she is taking public funds to perform a job that she refuses to do and instead of resigning her position demands that she be able to not do her job and still be paid for it.

You're right, Christians are so persecuted. I mean how awful is it for the public to require her to do the job they pay her to do? So unfair.

If a compromise can be reached, that preserves the rights of all parties, why are you all against it?

She could then do the job she is being paid to do and everyone could feel better about protecting the rights of all individuals.

To be against this type of compromise exposes your true bigotry.
 
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shira

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If a compromise can be reached, that preserves the rights of all parties, why are you all against it?

She could then do the job she is being paid to do and everyone could feel better about protecting the rights of all individuals.

To be against this type of compromise exposes your true bigotry.
Here's the problem: While this nut-case was ordering her staff to NOT issue any marriage licenses, she never offered any "compromise" or devised any alternative process for dealing with same-sex couples. She just decided to assert her "religious freedom" and essentially say "Fuck the law!" Of course, now that the she's feeling the pain caused by her own decisions, suddenly she wants a compromise.

If she had instead allowed same-sex marriage licenses to be issued from the very beginning, but had simultaneously sought an alternative approach for approving same-sex licenses where she wasn't personally involved (maybe having her back-up approve those licenses while this arrangement was being worked out), I think we all would respected this woman and that process.
 

fskimospy

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If a compromise can be reached, that preserves the rights of all parties, why are you all against it?

She could then do the job she is being paid to do and everyone could feel better about protecting the rights of all individuals.

To be against this type of compromise exposes your true bigotry.

First of all, this is a "compromise" that she has only floated after being jailed. Before she was confronted with the consequences of her actions she happily denied the rights of gay people, which pretty obviously displays her bigotry.

I'm fine with them taking her name off of the forms and her returning to do her job, because that is her capitulating to the rule of law and trying to use a trivial point to save face.

I will have to say that it is pretty tiresome to see Christians complain about being the victims of bigotry whenever they are prevented from victimizing others with their own bigotry though.

It takes some amazing pretzel logic to convince yourself that when you're illegally denying other people the right to marry the person they love that you're the true victim. I would take a long look at yourself and try to figure out why you're so interested in making yourself a victim.
 

WelshBloke

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Maybe because some of us still respect the rights of ALL individuals.

I know, it's crazy cool to be bigoted against Christians right now so just join the crowd, call them nut jobs, put them in jail, whatever it takes to eradicate them or drive them into obscurity. Maybe that works for you but I'll take a compromise that preserves the rights of all parties any day.

I was led to believe that a compromise had been offered but that she had refused it. I've since learned that the compromise story was not true. The, so called, compromise still involved her signing her agreement to every license, which is the act her religious faith doesn't allow her to do.

Her lawyer says that she is willing to allow her office to hand out licenses, if she is not required to sign them. This seems like a good compromise, especially since that is what they are doing while she's in jail.

I pray for God to protect and strengthen her. You can now feel free to hate me as well.

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Her job is to give out marriage licenses that comply with the law, not to decide who gets one.
 

RY62

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Here's the problem: While this nut-case was ordering her staff to NOT issue any marriage licenses, she never offered any "compromise" or devised any alternative process for dealing with same-sex couples. She just decided to assert her "religious freedom" and essentially say "Fuck the law!" Of course, now that the she's feeling the pain caused by her own decisions, suddenly she wants a compromise.

If she had instead allowed same-sex marriage licenses to be issued from the very beginning, but had simultaneously sought an alternative approach for approving same-sex licenses where she wasn't personally involved (maybe having her back-up approve those licenses while this arrangement was being worked out), I think we all would respected this woman and that process.

You sure about that? If I can prove that the compromise was offered before going to jail, would it change your opinion? I think not.

It's ok guys, we all have natural tendencies to be bigoted. We're all intolerant of certain groups. I'm intolerant of people who shoot vertical video. Don't keep trying to hide it. Your refusal of compromise exposes you.
 
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If a compromise can be reached, that preserves the rights of all parties, why are you all against it?

She could then do the job she is being paid to do and everyone could feel better about protecting the rights of all individuals.

To be against this type of compromise exposes your true bigotry.

She was offered a compromise have someone else in the office sign them. The Counties attorney has already said it just needs to be signed by someone in the office. She said no it must be signed by herself. She even threatened to fire anyone who did sign marriage certificates. She wanted a court date, she lost, she appealed up to the US Supreme court and lost.
She had ample opportunity to comply and she chose not to comply at every opportunity.
 

shira

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You sure about that? If I can prove that the compromise was offered before going to jail, would it change your opinion? I think not.

It's ok guys, we all have natural tendencies to be bigoted. We're all intolerant of certain groups. I'm intolerant of people who shoot vertical video. Don't keep trying to hide it. Your refusal of compromise exposes you.
The relevant question is: Was the compromise offered before she stopped issuing marriage licenses and then understood the coming repercussions of her action?

Did she, for example, petition Kentucky under its Religious Freedom Restoration Act, seeking an exemption from the rule requiring that marriage licenses bear the name of the Country Clerk, meanwhile having her backup sign marriage licenses? THAT would have been the proper course of action to follow. And - most importantly from her own perspective - her God would have understood that she was trying to to the right thing, thereby saving her from the fires of Hell.
 
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fskimospy

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You sure about that? If I can prove that the compromise was offered before going to jail, would it change your opinion? I think not.

It's ok guys, we all have natural tendencies to be bigoted. We're all intolerant of certain groups. I'm intolerant of people who shoot vertical video. Don't keep trying to hide it. Your refusal of compromise exposes you.

Well why don't you go post your evidence and then we will decide?

Have you considered the possibility that you have an innate desire to be a victim?
 

CoPhotoGuy

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Here's the problem: While this nut-case was ordering her staff to NOT issue any marriage licenses, she never offered any "compromise" or devised any alternative process for dealing with same-sex couples. She just decided to assert her "religious freedom" and essentially say "Fuck the law!" Of course, now that the she's feeling the pain caused by her own decisions, suddenly she wants a compromise.

If she had instead allowed same-sex marriage licenses to be issued from the very beginning, but had simultaneously sought an alternative approach for approving same-sex licenses where she wasn't personally involved (maybe having her back-up approve those licenses while this arrangement was being worked out), I think we all would respected this woman and that process.

She offered a compromise - she didn't want her name on the forms and others could sign instead of her. Her name was printed on the forms and she wanted it removed before they were issued.

So what about this:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html

If we follow the same logic - screw her religion and jail her for not serving alcohol. But nobody takes up that narrative because it's a muslim.
 

nickqt

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You sure about that? If I can prove that the compromise was offered before going to jail, would it change your opinion? I think not.

It's ok guys, we all have natural tendencies to be bigoted. We're all intolerant of certain groups. I'm intolerant of people who shoot vertical video. Don't keep trying to hide it. Your refusal of compromise exposes you.
Ah, yes.

The classic: you're an intolerant bigot for not tolerating bigotry.

You're continued posting is that statement, over and over and over again.

No one is preventing the scumbag you're defending from practicing Christianity as she sees fit. Instead, she's forcing everyone who wants a marriage license to practice her version of Christianity.

Which, of course makes us all the intolerant bigot for not tolerating her intolerant bigotry.

Keep on keepin' on with that argument, hoss.
 
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She offered a compromise - she didn't want her name on the forms and others could sign instead of her. Her name was printed on the forms and she wanted it removed before they were issued.

So what about this:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html

If we follow the same logic - screw her religion and jail her for not serving alcohol. But nobody takes up that narrative because it's a muslim.

Because not serving someone alcohol while filling a public service job in the private sector is the same as a sworn government official refusing to do the job she is mandated to do by the law. Is that the basis of your argument?
 

CoPhotoGuy

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Because not serving someone alcohol while filling a public service job in the private sector is the same as a sworn government official refusing to do the job she is mandated to do by the law. Is that the basis of your argument?

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

When she was sworn in, the laws in this area lined up with her beliefs. They were changed.
 

RY62

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Ah, yes.

The classic: you're an intolerant bigot for not tolerating bigotry.

You're continued posting is that statement, over and over and over again.

No one is preventing the scumbag you're defending from practicing Christianity as she sees fit. Instead, she's forcing everyone who wants a marriage license to practice her version of Christianity.

Which, of course makes us all the intolerant bigot for not tolerating her intolerant bigotry.

Keep on keepin' on with that argument, hoss.

This is not true and the fact that you keep repeating it says more about you than her.

She isn't interested in stopping all same-sex marriages in her county. She is only asking that she not be forced to participate in them in a way that violates her beliefs. She is asking and has been asking that her name not be on the license.
 

nickqt

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This is not true and the fact that you keep repeating it says more about you than her.

She isn't interested in stopping all same-sex marriages in her county. She is only asking that she not be forced to participate in them in a way that violates her beliefs. She is asking and has been asking that her name not be on the license.
She had the easiest way possible - resign - since she was no longer interested in performing the duties of her office.

Instead, the scumbag wanted to keep her paycheck and force other people to live by her version of Christianity.

So, you go ahead and keep claiming that everyone else is the intolerant bigot for not tolerating her intolerant bigotry. You're changing minds and changing the world!
 
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I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

When she was sworn in, the laws in this area lined up with her beliefs. They were changed.

Too fucking bad. If she can no longer fulfill the legal duties of her office, the duties that she swore an oath before her god to fulfill, she can resign.
 

waggy

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This is not true and the fact that you keep repeating it says more about you than her.

She isn't interested in stopping all same-sex marriages in her county. She is only asking that she not be forced to participate in them in a way that violates her beliefs. She is asking and has been asking that her name not be on the license.

Her job is to hand out marriage licenses. She does not want to hand them out ot gay's her options are to quit or do it.

It's really not as complicated as people are trying to make this out. if she refuses to do her job she needs to resign.

She is no hero. She is a silly women who is making a mockery of her job.
 

CoPhotoGuy

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Too fucking bad. If she can no longer fulfill the legal duties of her office, the duties that she swore an oath before her god to fulfill, she can resign.

She didn't swear to do those duties though. The job description was changed and it's not her fault.

You would be okay with having to just quit your job if you were being told to do something that, to you, was immoral even though it was technically legal?
 
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She didn't swear to do those duties though. The job description was changed and it's not her fault.

You would be okay with having to just quit your job if you were being told to do something that, to you, was immoral even though it was technically legal?

The job description did not change. She signed off on marriage licenses before and that's what she's supposed to be doing now. Her job is to represent the 'State' not her personal belief system.

But keep digging that hole. Eventually you might hit oil (or China).
 
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CoPhotoGuy

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The job description did not change. She signed off on marriage licenses before and that's what she's supposed to be doing now. Her job is to represent the 'State' not her personal belief system.

But keep digging that hole. Eventually you might hit oil (or China).

Previously, the job did not involve issuing marriage licenses to gay people....not it does....that's called a change.
 

fskimospy

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She offered a compromise - she didn't want her name on the forms and others could sign instead of her. Her name was printed on the forms and she wanted it removed before they were issued.

So what about this:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html

If we follow the same logic - screw her religion and jail her for not serving alcohol. But nobody takes up that narrative because it's a muslim.

Not a public employee.

Do you know how this stuff works?
 
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Previously, the job did not involve issuing marriage licenses to gay people....not it does....that's called a change.

Stop being so disingenuous. That is not a change in her job description. She is supposed to hand out those licenses to everyone who is legally entitled to get one. She doesn't get to pick and choose based on her personal belief system.

She holds the key to her cell, she can either do her job or resign.
 

Ns1

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Stop being so disingenuous. That is not a change in her job description. She is supposed to hand out those licenses to everyone who is legally entitled to get one. She doesn't get to pick and choose based on her personal belief system.

She holds the key to her cell, she can either do her job or resign.

:thumbsup:
 

nickqt

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Previously, the job did not involve issuing marriage licenses to gay people....not it does....that's called a change.

100% wrong. Incorrect.

Her job when she was elected/hired, was to provide marriage certificates to eligible couples.

The types of eligible couples increased on her watch, but not her job, or job description, as Victorian says below, and I said pages ago.

Stop being so disingenuous. That is not a change in her job description. She is supposed to hand out those licenses to everyone who is legally entitled to get one. She doesn't get to pick and choose based on her personal belief system.

She holds the key to her cell, she can either do her job or resign.

For anyone who lives in observable reality, this case is very, very simple.

If your job duties include handing out marriage certificates to eligible couples, you either perform your job, or quit. Your personal religion or lack thereof is no excuse to abdicate your job duties.

Honest people know this. I said it pages ago, as I'm sure others have in the previous 40+ pages of drivel attempting to excuse an intolerant bigot by painting everyone else as intolerant bigots.

You have to be a parody troll.

Her job description is giving eligible people a marriage certificate.

The first amendment doesn't give her permission to stop doing her job.
 
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