SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

[MomentsofSanity]

I just hope it stops here.

Why wouldn't it? It's stopped there in every other country where it has been deemed a legal right.

 

[nageov3t]

Too bad this didn't come out 15 years ago, could've 'married' my roommate and we could've saved close to a $100,000 between the two of us over the 5 years we lived together lol. The marriage license cost and the cheap divorce is much cheaper than the $50,000+ more in taxes I had to pay as a single male. (AMT hits really hard when you're single and earn $200,000 as it negates large amounts of deductions instantly)

PS we also weren't in a 'civil union' type of state lol

equal rights means equal opportunities for fraud.

you just made the mistake of not having an opposite-gendered roommate.

 

[UglyCasanova]

This is a good thing imo. But I haven't read to much into their decision making so hopefully it wasn't too much legal wrangling that would open the door to unrelated unforeseen consequences down the road. And after the initial celebration hopefully I don't have to hear about it anymore! NPR has become almost unlistenable because it seems every freakin story they run somehow has to have a tie in to same sex marriage in some way.

 

[Pneumothorax]

15 years ago you could have done that with a woman. Why, you didn't have any female friends that would willingly enter in an union with you back then? Too bad.

Most women can't see marriage as business arrangement lol.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I just hope it stops here.

As opposed to... spreading to Mexico? What exactly are you concerned might be the next domino to topple to the sinister gay cabal?

 

[Murloc]

Too bad this didn't come out 15 years ago, could've 'married' my roommate and we could've saved close to a $100,000 between the two of us over the 5 years we lived together lol. The marriage license cost and the cheap divorce is much cheaper than the $50,000+ more in taxes I had to pay as a single male. (AMT hits really hard when you're single and earn $200,000 as it negates large amounts of deductions instantly)

marriage is based on the existence of a relationship.

E.g. most countries don't accept the marriage if they think it's a trick to get residence or citizenship.

In practice in your case this can't be enforced though, you're right about that.

You can still lose money if the roommate goes crazy anyway, it's a risk.
If he can say you didn't give him the D and betrayed him (because he has proof you got into relations with other people during those 5 years), he may even get fault assigned to you and take part of your money.

 

[waggy]

I just hope it stops here.

I don't see why it should. it does not force church's to merry them.

it just says the rights cover everyone who wants to get married. sexual orientation does not matter.

 

[Pneumothorax]

equal rights means equal opportunities for fraud.

you just made the mistake of not having an opposite-gendered roommate.

IT's not fraud, AFAIK no has legislated love as a requirement for marriage.

There's also plenty of seniors who 'divorce' and continue to live together when it's financially advantageous to do so.

 

[echo4747]

I wonder how much this ruling will help the economy..Wedding ceremony/receptions are often a decent size chunk of change. I'm also sure the divorce lawyers will also see a little bump down the road too.

 

[Atreus21]

As opposed to... spreading to Mexico? What exactly are you concerned might be the next domino to topple to the sinister gay cabal?

As opposed to spreading to polygamy. There is no case for gay marriage that doesn't equally support group marriage. The difference is their degree of acceptance, and as we saw with gay marriage, that can change in the space of 10 years.

 

[FerrelGeek]

So here's a serious question, absolutely no troll intended. I'd like serious replies to this. Given the decision, what should happen if a gay couple goes to a minister, priest, etc to have said clergy perform their nuptials and said clergy refuses on religious grounds?

 

[realibrad]

Too bad this didn't come out 15 years ago, could've 'married' my roommate and we could've saved close to a $100,000 between the two of us over the 5 years we lived together lol. The marriage license cost and the cheap divorce is much cheaper than the $50,000+ more in taxes I had to pay as a single male. (AMT hits really hard when you're single and earn $200,000 as it negates large amounts of deductions instantly)

PS we also weren't in a 'civil union' type of state lol

So a few things.

First, marriage does not just mean you are going to husband and husband. There are legal rights that now come into play. Your assets are now combined. If you were in a coma, your "roommate" could be the one to pull the plug.

But, I also dont believe the government should be in the marriage business. If people want to extend the aforementioned rights, they could do that with a contract, and not require marriage. I see no good reason for why the government needs to be involved in marriage. Had it not, people would have had more rights a long time ago.

 

[Remobz]

OBAMA TO USE FOREIGN AID TO FORCE GAY RIGHTS OVERSEAS AS OFFICIAL US POLICY!

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=7393

What gives America the right to shove this crap down other Countries throats?

 

[nageov3t]

So here's a serious question, absolutely no troll intended. I'd like serious replies to this. Given the decision, what should happen if a gay couple goes to a minister, priest, etc to have said clergy perform their nuptials and said clergy refuses on religious grounds?

the same thing that happens when a church refuses to marry two atheists... nothing, they go find someone else to marry them or go down to the court house.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So here's a serious question, absolutely no troll intended. I'd like serious replies to this. Given the decision, what should happen if a gay couple goes to a minister, priest, etc to have said clergy perform their nuptials and said clergy refuses on religious grounds?

Exactly the same thing as happens when a straight couple goes to a minister or priest, asks them to perform their nuptials and is refused; find a different officiant.

 

[fskimospy]

So here's a serious question, absolutely no troll intended. I'd like serious replies to this. Given the decision, what should happen if a gay couple goes to a minister, priest, etc to have said clergy perform their nuptials and said clergy refuses on religious grounds?

The minister wouldn't be forced to perform the marriage. The government has no power to force a religious leader to perform a religious ceremony in a way that contravenes their religious beliefs. This is an open and shut case.

Pneumothorax tried the same question earlier, but it's an open and shut case. There were in fact plenty of religious people in the US who thought miscegenation was against the will of God. He hasn't supplied a single religious person who was forced by the government to marry an interracial couple yet in the last 50 years. (because there wasn't one)

 

[Atreus21]

the same thing that happens when a church refuses to marry two atheists... nothing, they go find someone else to marry them or go down to the court house.

Let's hope marriage services are never classified as public goods the way wedding cakes and photography have been.

 

[waggy]

So here's a serious question, absolutely no troll intended. I'd like serious replies to this. Given the decision, what should happen if a gay couple goes to a minister, priest, etc to have said clergy perform their nuptials and said clergy refuses on religious grounds?

then they find a different clergy or go before the court.

 

[brycejones]

So here's a serious question, absolutely no troll intended. I'd like serious replies to this. Given the decision, what should happen if a gay couple goes to a minister, priest, etc to have said clergy perform their nuptials and said clergy refuses on religious grounds?

They have to find someone else to perform the ceremony.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

As opposed to spreading to polygamy. There is no case for gay marriage that doesn't equally support group marriage. The difference is their degree of acceptance, and as we saw with gay marriage, that can change in the space of 10 years.

There's one difference; there was already precedent for legally recognized marriage between exactly two individuals in every state. There is no such precedent for marital contracts between more than two individuals. So there's a little bit of change that would need to happen with regards to language, especially in regard to shared property and the dissolution of the marriage (who gets what, etc.).

For what it's worth, I don't oppose polygamy being legal either.

 

[fskimospy]

Let's hope marriage services are never classified as public goods the way wedding cakes and photography have been.

There's no constitutional right to operate a bakery. There is a constitutional right to operate a church. This has never really been a grey area or even up for debate.

The government can regulate how you run your business with a relatively free hand. Using that free hand they simply said if you open your business to the public you must serve all of the public. Simple. The government cannot regulate how you run your church outside of some very very extreme things. (no human sacrifice, etc!)

 

[Pneumothorax]

Still don't understand Justice Roberts, serious flip-flopper lol

His creative interpretations he's applied for Obamacare means he should've ruled with the majority on this one.

 

[brycejones]

OBAMA TO USE FOREIGN AID TO FORCE GAY RIGHTS OVERSEAS AS OFFICIAL US POLICY!

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=7393

What gives America the right to shove this crap down other Countries throats?

If they want our money they can accept our conditions associated with it. What's difficult to understand about that?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It's like people can't fathom that the only difference between a straight wedding and a gay wedding is the gender of one of the participants. No, it's a completely different thing with its own set of rules! They can force people to marry them exactly the way straight couples can't! It's part of their crazy gay powers!

It's just... bizarre.

 

[Pneumothorax]

If they want our money they can accept our conditions associated with it. What's difficult to understand about that?

Then he needs to cutoff aid immediately all Muslim countries and plenty of Latin American countries too.