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Jaskalas

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A person holding office is using their position to violate the civil rights of our citizens.
That person's argument? Their religion trumps your rights.

I'm not buying it.
She's violating both Civil Rights and Separation of Church and State.
I imagine these violations are crimes.
 

Retro Rob

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Your smug answer seems intentionally vague and overreaching. That's not very upstanding of you!

Some Christians interpret a couple of passages in the Bible as allowing divorce, but only for very narrow reasons. According to the Christian Broadcasting Network:



Need more proof that your blanket statement is BS?

















I thought you were a committed Christian and a true knower of the word of God, as written in the Bible. Turns out, you're just another partisan BS artist, willing to post knowing lies of omission. Shame on you.

It wasn't a "blanket statement", Einstein. I said earlier:

This is an asinine argument, and a fairly ignorant one.

It's not like she KNEW she was issuing licenses to people on their second marriage, like she knew with gay people.

Additionally, the bible makes it clear that divorce is permissible on grounds of fornication (cheating).

That agrees with you Biblical passage of Matt 5:31-32.

I well know that divorce is permitted for one reason, and that's unfaithfulness.

Perhaps you need to reread my post, but since you lack that basic ability, I quoted it for you.
 

Perknose

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It wasn't a "blanket statement", Einstein. I said earlier:

This is an asinine argument, and a fairly ignorant one.

It's not like she KNEW she was issuing licenses to people on their second marriage, like she knew with gay people.

Additionally, the bible makes it clear that divorce is permissible on grounds of fornication (cheating).



That agrees with you Biblical passage of Matt 5:31-32.

I well know that divorce is permitted for one reason, and that's unfaithfulness.

Perhaps you need to reread my post, but since you lack that basic ability, I quoted it for you.

Your post, the one I responded to, was absolutely a blanket statement. Perhaps you need to reread your own damn post, but since you lack that basic ability, let me quote it for you . . . Einstein:

Who knows?

Divorce is allowed in the Bible -- perhaps that's why.

As I pointed out to you, SOME CHRISTIANS believe divorce is allowed, but only for very narrow reasons, which vary depending on which part of the Bible you're quoting.

You lied by omission, and you know it. Do I have to repeat all the Bible quotes that prove that? Ok, I will . . . Einstein.

Mark 10:10-12

10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

Luke 16:18

18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Romans 7:2-3

2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3 So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.

1 Corinthians 7:11-13

11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. 12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.

So take your smug and fundamentally dishonest (by omission) statement that the Bible allows divorce for unfaithfulness, or for any reason whatsoever, and shove it. There are MORE passages in the Bible which state unequivocally that divorce is entirely forbidden.
 

Mike64

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Most christian's are fine people if they don't take every word of the Bible literally. Even the ones who do actually pick & choose. They tend to pick the most narrow-minded bits of the Old Testament
Substitute "Bible-thumper" for "Christian who picks and chooses" and I'll certainly agree wholeheartedly. And let's not forget that they of course disobey the overwhelming majority of God's commands. The Old Testament contains 613 affirmative and negative commands from God. How many of 'em do you think your typical Bible-thumper obeys (or for that matter knows)?
 
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Perknose

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..because you don't understand what context means....




Because you got caught in one huge, howling, holy roller LIE of omission about all the Bible has to say about divorce, trying to run your bullshit in support of that hypocrite clerk, and this above is all you could muster.

Your shit just got exposed.

If you had any integrity, you'd stfu and crawl away. But we all know you're a shameless fundie troll who will keep trying to sideways insinuate you have an honest leg to stand on, like you just tried with this post.

Nobody's fooled. You just got hoisted on your own petard, the Bible. Deal with it.

It's weasel bigots like you who give Christianity a bad name.
 

JD50

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This is where Rob starts arguing semantics and other things that don't really matter.

The woman will spend literally days in jail because she doesn't want to issue marriage certificates to a gay couple, but she won't spend the trivial amount of time it would take her to ensure that she doesn't issue a marriage certificate to someone that was divorced. Why is that?
 

Sonikku

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She's released. The mainstream media is highlighting the support and crowds she's getting and political candidates rallying to her support. Not so much mention of her hypocrisy/divorces/willful disregard of the law etc. You'd think she fought big bad gubnit boss man and won to see them spin it. How long until she's raking in the cash hand over fist from gofundme while simultaneously collecting her full salary while not doing her job?
 
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I'm taking bets,
she will either
a) tour with huckabee on his campaign trail as a beacon of hope, have a ghost writer pen her 'story'
b) tour with cruz on his campaign trail as a beacon of hope, have a ghost writer pen her 'story'
c) tour with trumplestiltskin etc, etc

My vote is for huck, he sucked up so good to this whole ordeal, and he holds her kind of crazy near and dear to his heart.
 

Mike64

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She's released. The mainstream media is highlighting the support and crowds she's getting and political candidates rallying to her support.

According to the Associated Press:
Davis walked out of the Carter County Detention Center's front door Tuesday [and said] "I just want to give God the glory. His people have rallied, and you are a strong people". [emphasis added]
Presumably that would include the 4 of 5 of her deputies the article mentions who were unwilling to disobey a federal court to support their fanatical boss?
At 8 a.m. Wednesday morning, her office — at the Rowan County Courthouse in Morehead — opened as scheduled. [...] Deputy clerk Brian Mason said the office would issue licenses to anyone seeking them.
 
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glenn1

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She'll likely get paid another way not quite so open to public observation and criticism. Although I get the sense that she would have done the same things gratis just for the perverse pleasure of getting to demonstrate her anti-gay bona fides to what she imagines as her very-pleased God. Because if there was one single takeaway from the New Testament, it was that Jesus was a really judgmental and exclusionist guy.
 

shira

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According to the Associated Press:
Presumably that would include the 4 of 5 of her deputies the article mentions who were unwilling to disobey a federal court to support their fanatical boss?

Based on the principle being pushed by Davis and her supporters, whether or not she orders her deputies to withhold marriage licenses is completely irrelevant, as those deputies MUST be given the freedom to follow their own religious ideals, which may involve a strong belief that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.
 
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She'll likely get paid another way not quite so open to public observation and criticism. Although I get the sense that she would have done the same things gratis just for the perverse pleasure of getting to demonstrate her anti-gay bona fides to what she imagines as her very-pleased God. Because if there was one single takeaway from the New Testament, it was that Jesus was a really judgmental and exclusionist guy.
 

Retro Rob

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Because you got caught in one huge, howling, holy roller LIE of omission about all the Bible has to say about divorce, trying to run your bullshit in support of that hypocrite clerk, and this above is all you could muster.

You're lying and NOT reading, again:

Now you're talking about something different. That's NOT what I was saying initially, however.

I, again and again, am not in support of her choice in breaking the law.

Honestly, I don't see why she doesn't simply find another job that doesn't compel her to violate her religious beliefs.

I mean, I know these Muslim analogies are tired, but would you be OK with making "reasonable accommodations" for a Muslim employee who doesn't want to ring up and sell you a double-bacon cheese burger when you place an order for one?

This isn't what I would call "reasonable accommodation" -- it's borderline special treatment because I'm sure no other employee can refuse to perform their jobs while keeping them.

I'm all for religious freedom...of course, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

So I don't support this lawbreaker, period.

Perk, why not just sit your ass down and drop this because I am dropping this...stop trying to "get" me in some imagined hypocrisy.

Still, it doesn't change the fact divorce is permissible on grounds of fornication. We both seem to agree with that.

Chill, dude.

It's weasel bigots like you who give Christianity a bad name.

You, nor anyone here, know anything about me.

Chill, dude.
 

bshole

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You're lying and NOT reading, again:

Still, it doesn't change the fact divorce is permissible on grounds of fornication. We both seem to agree with that.

Yea, the divorce is ok.... BUT THE REMARRIAGE IS A SIN. This crazy fucking whore has been married 4 times. The last thing she should be judging people on is marriage given her obvious disregard of the Bible on issues relating to her own sex life.
 

Retro Rob

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Yea, the divorce is ok.... BUT THE REMARRIAGE IS A SIN. This crazy fucking whore has been married 4 times. The last thing she should be judging people on is marriage given her obvious disregard of the Bible on issues relating to her own sex life.

The offending party isn't free to remarry, the innocent mate is.
 

Mike64

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Based on the principle being pushed by Davis and her supporters, whether or not she orders her deputies to withhold marriage licenses is completely irrelevant, as those deputies MUST be given the freedom to follow their own religious ideals, which may involve a strong belief that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.
Guess we'll have to wait a bit to find out whether her "time out" has changed her perspective from her previous stance of ordering her deputies, apparently irrespective of their own beliefs, not to issue such certificates... Tune in tomorrow. Same time, same channel.
 
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Retro Rob

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Are you illiterate or talking to God directly? That is literally supported by not a single verse of the Bible.

Matt 19:9 - I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery"

Divorce and remarriage does not automatically mean adultery.

Admittedly, this is a bit of interpretation on my part, but there is no reason why the innocent person should be forced to stay married to the person that cheated on them, especially since they didn't violate the marriage.

Christians can't play God for a fool by doing the cheating and trying to get out of a marriage. The Bible says God will "Judge fornicators".
 
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Darwin333

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It wasn't a "blanket statement", Einstein. I said earlier:



That agrees with you Biblical passage of Matt 5:31-32.

I well know that divorce is permitted for one reason, and that's unfaithfulness.

Perhaps you need to reread my post, but since you lack that basic ability, I quoted it for you.

I wonder why Jesus didn't say that when directly asked in Mark 10?
 

shira

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Matt 19:9 - I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery"

Divorce and remarriage does not automatically mean adultery.

Admittedly, this is a bit of interpretation on my part, but there is no reason why the innocent person should be forced to stay married to the person that cheated on them, especially since they didn't violate the marriage.

Christians can't play God for a fool by doing the cheating and trying to get out of a marriage. The Bible says God will "Judge fornicators".
You're being rather selective. Other passages clearly say remarriage after ANY divorce is adultery. For example:

Luke 16:18

18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
 

Retro Rob

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I wonder why Jesus didn't say that when directly asked in Mark 10?

How do you know he didn't say it there? Because it wasn't written in?

Perhaps if I omit something your son said you said during a conversation we both heard, that means you didn't say it?
 
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