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Retro Rob

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You're being rather selective. Other passages clearly say remarriage after ANY divorce is adultery. For example:

Luke 16:18

18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

So you're being selective too, right?

MAtt 5:31-32 again gives a basis for it.

You can't read one passage a run with it. Read the entire Bible on the issue of legitimate divorce, and you'd get the correct answer.
 
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shira

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So you're being selective too, right?
No. The point is that a completely reasonable reading of the Bible could lead one to conclude that God considers remarriage after ANY divorce to be a terrible sin. That being the case, Kim Davis supporters would totally get behind a fundie County Clerk who took that view and cited "religious freedom" as a justification to refuse to issue a (re)marriage licence to any divorced person.

I'm sure if we ask her supporters you'll hear just such a principled response, especially if its their own re-marriage that gets blocked.
 

Retro Rob

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No. The point is that a completely reasonable reading of the Bible could lead one to conclude that God considers remarriage after ANY divorce to be a terrible sin.

You only quoted one verse. The Bible is a pretty big book. Everyone knows that divorce is generally prohibited, but not absolutely prohibited.

That being the case, Kim Davis supporters would totally get behind a fundie County Clerk who took that view and cited "religious freedom" as a justification to refuse to issue a (re)marriage licence to any divorced person.

Who cares? I don't.
 
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You guys are spending a lot of time splitting hairs over the Biblical definition of adultery as it pertains to divorce and remarriage. How about the definition as it pertains to fornicating with someone you're not married to while you're currently married? Because we know for a fact that Kim Davis did that. Her first child was conceived with her (eventual) third husband while she was married to her first husband. So let's not get our knickers in a twist trying to determine if she's an adulteress; we know she is.
 

Retro Rob

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You guys are spending a lot of time splitting hairs over the Biblical definition of adultery as it pertains to divorce and remarriage. How about the definition as it pertains to fornicating with someone you're not married to while you're currently married?

You can't fornicate with the person your married to. So that's exactly the definition in the Bible.

Because we know for a fact that Kim Davis did that. Her first child was conceived with her (eventual) third husband while she was married to her first husband. So let's not get our knickers in a twist trying to determine if she's an adulteress; we know she is.

I never said she wasn't an adulteress -- Huck and Cruz are completely ignoring that while hailing her as some sort of hero and martyr of religious freedom.

I'm personally disgusted by her invoking God on gays while cheating on her husband.
 
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Yea, the divorce is ok.... BUT THE REMARRIAGE IS A SIN. This crazy fucking whore has been married 4 times. The last thing she should be judging people on is marriage given her obvious disregard of the Bible on issues relating to her own sex life.

I'm pretty sure she found god after her last marriage. She probably agrees with you.
 

shira

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You only quoted one verse. The Bible is a pretty big book. Everyone knows that divorce is generally prohibited, but not absolutely prohibited.
You're still missing the point:

Davis supporters are HUGE on a person's "religious freedom." It doesn't matter whether the bible is huge or small, confusing or totally clear. All that matters is that the individual interprets it in their own, personal way. And they are then free to violate their oath of office and enforce their views on everyone else.
 

sandorski

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I'm pretty sure she found god after her last marriage. She probably agrees with you.

Funny thing is, what happened was she went from being a Baptist to being Apostolic. Some kind of "event" may have happened that made her more serious about religion, but she was already a "Christian" of a sort before then.
 

shira

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You can't fornicate with the person your married to. So that's exactly the definition in the Bible.

I never said she wasn't an adulteress -- Huck and Cruz are completely ignoring that while hailing her as some sort of hero and martyr of religious freedom.

I'm personally disgusted by her invoking God on gays while cheating on her husband.
Whether Davis is a hypocrite in our eyes is irrelevant. HER view of herself and her actions is all that matters. That's the beauty of "religious freedom."

You keep trying to use some rational approach to interpreting what the Bible is saying about divorce, remarriage, adultery, and fornication. Irrelevant! If the Bible says "green" and a person reads "red," "red" is their religion.

So when you try to get some "red" service from the County Clerk, don't be surprised if you get shunned. But take heart, there's a county only 300 miles away where the Country Clerk doesn't shun "red."
 

Mike64

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Huck and Cruz are completely ignoring that while hailing her as some sort of hero and martyr of religious freedom
Neither one of them has ever let even a single tiny fact get in their way before, why would they start now? Any media circus is a good media circus when you're their sort of politician, after all...
 
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Mike64

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Irrelevant! If the Bible says "green" and a person reads "red," "red" is their religion.
She's not claiming an alternative source of revelation, she's claiming the Bible (I'm a little afraid to ask which version, but still, it's presumably printed, not written in disappearing or color-changing crayon.) If one is claiming a specific source for one's religious beliefs, one doesn't get to just make shit up as one goes along... In other words, "red" is either "red" or it's "green" - not both, as suits one's passing mood. Of course, one could claim direct revelation from God on an on-going basis - in which case all bets are off - but Davis doesn't seem to be claiming that. (And I do imagine that would be tough for even the likes of her supporters to swallow...)
 

shira

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She's not claiming an alternative source of revelation, she's claiming the Bible (I'm a little afraid to ask which version, but still, it's presumably printed, not written in disappearing or color-changing crayon.) If one is claiming a specific source for one's religious beliefs, one doesn't get to just make shit up as one goes along... In other words, "red" is either "red" or it's "green" - not both, as suits one's passing mood. Of course, one could claim direct revelation from God on an on-going basis - in which case all bets are off - but Davis doesn't seem to be claiming that. (And I do imagine that would be tough for even the likes of her supporters to swallow...)
Of course Davis isn't claiming an "alternate" interpretation. Self-righteous assholes never see themselves that way. From their point of view, they see the only TRUE reality, and it's everyone else who's "reading in" what isn't actually there. ISIS does exactly the same thing (albeit a lot more destructively).

Davis supporters cannot possibly imagine themselves being negatively affected by the "religious freedom" they advocate, because implicit in their advocacy is the certainty that theirs is the only valid religion. So of course they wouldn't respect the "religious freedom" of a Wahhabi Country Clerk who (say) refused to grant driver's licenses to women, because THAT belief "isn't valid."
 
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Of course Davis isn't claiming an "alternate" interpretation. Self-righteous assholes never see themselves that way. From their point of view, they see the only TRUE reality, and it's everyone else who's "reading in" what isn't actually there. ISIS does exactly the same thing (albeit a lot more destructively).

Davis supporters cannot possibly imagine themselves being negatively affected by the "religious freedom" they advocate, because implicit in their advocacy is the certainty that theirs is the only valid religion. So of course they wouldn't respect the "religious freedom" of a Wahhabi Country Clerk who (say) refused to grant driver's licenses to women, because THAT belief "isn't valid."

They also have the "benefit" of living in an insular community where the vast majority of the population all ascribe to the same religion (albeit in different ways). There's no chance that they're going to find themselves at the mercy of a Muslim or Hindu or Jew exercising their religious freedom because those people wouldn't be elected in that jurisdiction. I feel like everyone should be required to spend one year living somewhere where they are a distinct minority so they have a better frame of reference for how majority populations can stack the deck in their favor without ever even realizing they might be doing it.
 

bshole

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You're still missing the point:

Davis supporters are HUGE on a person's "religious freedom." It doesn't matter whether the bible is huge or small, confusing or totally clear. All that matters is that the individual interprets it in their own, personal way. And they are then free to violate their oath of office and enforce their views on everyone else.

I would love for a judge to revoke her marriage based on his religious belief that the marriage was invalid per the Bible. Strip her of all of her marriage rights. When she starts personally issuing marriage licenses to gays, her own marriage can be re-instated. In the meantime, when is someone going slap the stupid out of this crazy bitch?
 

Sonikku

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I'm not sure she's so stupid. Hypocritical, certainly. But this is a woman who's angled bigotry and religion in a way to make out like a bandit. Good of gofundme to bar her from using their service to rake in cash and make it rich off this circus, but she'll probably just use a similar service instead. And all the while she's being paid $80,000 to not do her full job. Throw in a possible book deal or Fox News commentator stint and the possibilities are endless. We all should be so lucky.
 
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I'm not sure she's so stupid. Hypocritical, certainly. But this is a woman who's angled bigotry and religion in a way to make out like a bandit. Good of gofundme to bar her from using their service to rake in cash and make it rich off this circus, but she'll probably just use a similar service instead. And all the while she's being paid $80,000 to not do her full job. Throw in a possible book deal or Fox News commentator stint and the possibilities are endless. We all should be so lucky.

https://actright.com/cause/free-kim-davis-2544-57382-20150903091924vc4mon

One of many that are out there.
 

Sonikku

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GoFundMe changed their policies to prevent people crowdfunding support for people like Kim Davis. At the request of users, ActRight has opened its fundraising to include individuals like Kim Davis who are being persecuted by an overzealous government

God Damn gubnit. Makin' me do mah JOB!
 

CitizenKain

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The oathkeepers are going to show up down there to protect her from being arrested again. Which seems to actually work against the constitution, but no one has ever accused the oathkeepers of bothering with understanding things.
 

werepossum

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The judge spoke on Friday he essentially said the goal was county compliance which has been met since licenses are being issued.
He gave another warning about "Tom Foolery". Should be interesting where this heads.
He no longer answers to "Tom Foolery". Now he only answers to his Christian name, "Mike Huckabee".
 

KMFJD

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The oathkeepers are going to show up down there to protect her from being arrested again. Which seems to actually work against the constitution, but no one has ever accused the oathkeepers of bothering with understanding things.

like flies swarming around cow dung
 

Darwin333

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How do you know he didn't say it there? Because it wasn't written in?

Perhaps if I omit something your son said you said during a conversation we both heard, that means you didn't say it?

Well it's a pretty darn important qualifier, as important I would say as everything else he said at the time if not more.

If said conversation you heard was "Did you see jack and did you kill him" and he says yes I saw him but no I didn't kill him". And you omit everything but the yes then you omitted the most important part and changed the answer. Why would anyone omit the word of God on a matter of such importance?
 
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