SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

[Blackjack200]

Still don't understand Justice Roberts, serious flip-flopper lol

Actually, it's now very easy to understand CJ Roberts. He's a fucking bigot, just like Scalia, Alito, and Thomas. History should remember him like the bigots that sat on the bench in the 19th century. Nothing more.

 

[Atreus21]

There's no constitutional right to operate a bakery. There is a constitutional right to operate a church.

...there is? That's news to me. There's a constitutional right to freedom of religion that has with ample evidence been subordinated when aggrieved parties felt it was motivated by hate.

This has never really been a grey area or even up for debate.

The government can regulate how you run your business with a relatively free hand. Using that free hand they simply said if you open your business to the public you must serve all of the public. Simple. The government cannot regulate how you run your church outside of some very very extreme things. (no human sacrifice, etc!)

To me, that's a very thin difference. They can tell you how to serve the public in one case, but not another.

 

[waggy]

There's one difference; there was already precedent for legally recognized marriage between exactly two individuals in every state. There is no such precedent for marital contracts between more than two individuals. So there's a little bit of change that would need to happen with regards to language, especially in regard to shared property and the dissolution of the marriage (who gets what, etc.).

For what it's worth, I don't oppose polygamy being legal either.

actually there is. it's legal in utah in i believe utah.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

As opposed to spreading to polygamy. There is no case for gay marriage that doesn't equally support group marriage. The difference is their degree of acceptance, and as we saw with gay marriage, that can change in the space of 10 years.

Again, why would that be an issue? Where else that has ruled that gay marriage is a protected right has that become an issue with any sort of traction at all?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

OBAMA TO USE FOREIGN AID TO FORCE GAY RIGHTS OVERSEAS AS OFFICIAL US POLICY!

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=7393

What gives America the right to shove this crap down other Countries throats?

bwaaa hahahahahaha, holy fuck that website is WAY off the deep end. Great point of reference

 

[FerrelGeek]

Thanks to all who responded to my question.

 

[fskimospy]

...there is? That's news to me. There's a constitutional right to freedom of religion that has with ample evidence been subordinated when aggrieved parties felt it was motivated by hate.

Sure is! It's right in the first amendment.

I haven't seen any evidence that the freedom of religion has been subordinated anywhere.

What you seem to be asking for is religious SUPREMACY, where religious people can opt out of generally applicable laws whenever they feel like it conflicts with their religion and regardless to how tangential the issue is to their faith. That's a recipe for chaos. (I'm starting a religion that's theologically opposed to taxes tomorrow!)

To me, that's a very thin difference. They can tell you how to serve the public in one case, but not another.

Exactly, because as we covered before there's no constitutional protection for operating a bakery, but there is one for operating a church. It's as large a gulf of difference as exists in US law anywhere.

 

[HomerJS]

ROFL> ok the fox news commentor made a comment about people wanting to do things outside the scope. such as being married to children. then threw in getting married to disabled. WTF LOL

/facepalm

Sounds just like Fox News

 

[brycejones]

bwaaa hahahahahaha, holy fuck that website is WAY off the deep end. Great point of reference

Hell I didn't bother to click until your post to see the comical value.

I love the link to a blog from December of 2011. The end of days is upon us surely now, as we have spit in the eye of our holy creator who can no longer stand to gaze upon the sight of men cavorting with men. We have turned away from the path of a holy country to one aligned with the evil of Satan.

 

[FrankRamiro]

What's next? people are going crazy, the world is going crazy,our race existence is in the brink of extinction,with this imposing gay bull s***

 

[Atomic Playboy]

actually there is. it's legal in utah in i believe utah.

No. It is practiced in some parts of Utah and Arizona, but it's not recognized by the state, and people in polygamous marriages don't obtain multiple marriage licenses from the state as it's still considered illegal, and has been for over 150 years.

 

[waggy]

Sounds just like Fox News

actually i been watching it all morning. it's been about 80% saying it's the right ruling. many are mocking the judges against it because they seem nuts.

 

[brycejones]

As opposed to spreading to polygamy. There is no case for gay marriage that doesn't equally support group marriage. The difference is their degree of acceptance, and as we saw with gay marriage, that can change in the space of 10 years.

So what, as long as the parties are truly consenting who gives a shit?

 

[K1052]

What's next? people are going crazy, the world is going crazy,our race existence is in the brink of extinction,with this imposing gay bull s***

How will gay marriage drive humanity to the brink of extinction?

 

[woolfe9998]

Oh my god the rage in Scalia's dissent is so sweet. He's furiously flailing, calling the ruling a threat to democracy, a 'judicial Putsch', and things like that. He's also claiming that California doesn't count as part of the western US, and things like that.

He has totally lost his mind and I'm loving it. Fuck that guy.

I once wrote a case note article on Scalia's dissent in Romer v. Evans, a seminal case on gay rights in the 1990's. His dissent in that case frothed at the mouth no less. This is obviously an emotional issue for him. He's probably been struggling with it on a personal level his entire life. :biggrin:

 

[Brainonska511]

What's next? people are going crazy, the world is going crazy,our race existence is in the brink of extinction,with this imposing gay bull s***

Glad to see the nuts coming out of the woodwork.

 

[HomerJS]

Just found out 5 min ago so had to tune to Fox and listen to crying.

They've moved on already bitching about Obamas foreign policy. That's their strategy let's forget it ASAP cause its a loser for out policy.

Haha now to Hillary's emails. They're trying way too hard

 

[Atomic Playboy]

How will gay marriage drive humanity to the brink of extinction?

Literally the only thing keeping men from going hog wild fucking each other has been the lack of legal recognition for gay marriage. But now? What man in his right mind would possibly want to have sex with a woman now that he's not contractually obligated to?

Doomed. Doomed I say.

 

[SMOGZINN]

As opposed to spreading to polygamy. There is no case for gay marriage that doesn't equally support group marriage. The difference is their degree of acceptance, and as we saw with gay marriage, that can change in the space of 10 years.

One thing to recognise is that polygamy has received no traction whatsoever with the courts, and it has been heard a few times in the last few years by lower courts. So far Polyamorists can't even get laws that outlaw their style of relationship overturned. We are a long way away from the courts accepting polygamy.

So here's a serious question, absolutely no troll intended. I'd like serious replies to this. Given the decision, what should happen if a gay couple goes to a minister, priest, etc to have said clergy perform their nuptials and said clergy refuses on religious grounds?

True story, a catholic priest refused to marry me and my catholic girlfriend because I was not catholic. If they can refuse me based on one federally protected class (religion) then they can refuse others on another.

Let's hope marriage services are never classified as public goods the way wedding cakes and photography have been.

Religious services are a class on their own. You can't define them as public goods because they already have a protected federal class.

 

[Indus]

This affects a lot of people close to us, maybe even ourselves.

Hooray for Marriage =ity!

Hip Hip HOORAY!
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Hip Hip HOORAY!

 

[ivwshane]

What's next? people are going crazy, the world is going crazy,our race existence is in the brink of extinction,with this imposing gay bull s***

Maybe you should just end it for yourself if reality is too much for you. Or you can just take a deep breath and realize that a decision like this doesn't affect you one bit. Your world will be just as small as it has always been, your religious beliefs will still be the same and you can still choose to only marry someone of the opposite sex.

 

[werepossum]

in related news, my cat just laid down with my dog and the river appears to be running red with blood.

LMAO!

Congrats. Damned shame this had four dissenting votes, but at least SCOTUS finally weighed in, even if they had to be dragged in kicking and screaming.

 

[HomerJS]

BTW - for all of you out there who are married how does it feel to have your marriage invalidated? Since that's what we were told would happen.

Since conservatives are so worried about saving traditional marriage will they introduce a bill outlawing divorce??

 

[K1052]

Literally the only thing keeping men from going hog wild fucking each other has been the lack of legal recognition for gay marriage. But now? What man in his right mind would possibly want to have sex with a woman now that he's not contractually obligated to?

Doomed. Doomed I say.

Oh well excuse me then, I believe I'm due at the gym for the next 4 or 5 hours. :sneaky:

 

[waggy]

Just found out 5 min ago so had to tune to Fox and listen to crying.

They've moved on already bitching about Obamas foreign policy. That's their strategy let's forget it ASAP cause its a loser for out policy.

Haha now to Hillary's emails. They're trying way too hard

might want to watch more then 5 minutes. because they been on the ruling most of the morning