SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

[nageov3t]

I feel like gay divorces should be relatively simple.

-less likelihood for kids to be involved
-because of above, less reason for one of the spouses to give up their careers and become a housewife/husband
-similar earning potentials

 

[Blackjack200]

He also removed it as an issue republican party candidates can lose to democratic candidates on. Now there are no anti-gay marriage propositions that can pull out voters who will vote against conservatives.
What used to be a wedge issue that worked for conservatives very recently became one that works against them and now it is a non-issue since a conservative candidate can point to the SCOTUS and say "I can't do anything about it. but let's talk about taxes."

One could see a similar calculation in Chief Justice Robert's mind when that decision came down. Conservative politicians won't have to face voters in their states who lost their subsidies to help them afford health care.

Also take a look at what happened to health related stocks after the recent SCOTUS decision on the ACA.



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Yeah, I thought of all that already. I'm fine with it. The happiness and rights of my friends are more important than political calculations.

 

[werepossum]

well yeah... the sucking is the whole reason I need to lock it down and put a ring on him.

Oh no you di'n't!

Too bad this didn't come out 15 years ago, could've 'married' my roommate and we could've saved close to a $100,000 between the two of us over the 5 years we lived together lol. The marriage license cost and the cheap divorce is much cheaper than the $50,000+ more in taxes I had to pay as a single male. (AMT hits really hard when you're single and earn $200,000 as it negates large amounts of deductions instantly)

PS we also weren't in a 'civil union' type of state lol

lol Still would have been tax fraud though. Not a nice thing.

He also removed it as an issue republican party candidates can lose to democratic candidates on. Now there are no anti-gay marriage propositions that can pull out voters who will vote against conservatives.
What used to be a wedge issue that worked for conservatives very recently became one that works against them and now it is a non-issue since a conservative candidate can point to the SCOTUS and say "I can't do anything about it. but let's talk about taxes."

One could see a similar calculation in Chief Justice Robert's mind when that decision came down. Conservative politicians won't have to face voters in their states who lost their subsidies to help them afford health care.

Also take a look at what happened to health related stocks after the recent SCOTUS decision on the ACA.

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You make a point, but that is dependent on Republican candidates being smart enough to recognize this gift. Were I a betting man, my money would be on "promises to fight on" for the majority of them.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Huge win for divorce lawyers.

For the wedding and related industries in general. My facebook page has exploded with invites to engagement and reception parties.

 

[Pneumothorax]

I feel like gay divorces should be relatively simple.

-less likelihood for kids to be involved
-because of above, less reason for one of the spouses to give up their careers and become a housewife/husband
-similar earning potentials

Divorce (of a real marriage gay or straight haha) is never simple. The gay community is now going to also enjoy the hell heteros go through. I had a cousin who had sorts of crap come up in her divorce even though they never had kids and both worked with similar incomes. The brown stuff always manages to hit the fan.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Divorce (of a real marriage gay or straight haha) is never simple. The gay community is now going to also enjoy the hell heteros go through. I had a cousin who had sorts of crap come up in her divorce even though they never had kids and both worked with similar incomes. The brown stuff always manages to hit the fan.

Then they can choose to not be married. I don't live in a common law state so I'm not so sure how often that comes into play.

 

[brycejones]

We are missing the toaster lover's take on this. To bad he had to go and get banned.

 

[zinfamous]

We are missing the toaster lover's take on this. To bad he had to go and get banned.

I try my best to fill that gap. :\

 

[SMOGZINN]

Divorce (of a real marriage gay or straight haha) is never simple. The gay community is now going to also enjoy the hell heteros go through. I had a cousin who had sorts of crap come up in her divorce even though they never had kids and both worked with similar incomes. The brown stuff always manages to hit the fan.

The thing is homosexual people have been and living together and breaking up for, well, forever, so they already have faced most of the problems that divorce brings up. The only difference is that now they will be able to have an unbiased third party to adjudicate the equitable distribution of shared property.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I wonder if the toaster guy would end up being a Minister and end up performing gay weddings?
I love irony. Similar to that guy who was so against Obamacare because people should pay for that stuff, then it turned out he was Canadian.

 

[brycejones]

I try my best to fill that gap. :\

I haven't seen you trying to channel your inner dumb ass yet.

 

[MovingTarget]

He also removed it as an issue republican party candidates can lose to democratic candidates on. Now there are no anti-gay marriage propositions that can pull out voters who will vote against conservatives.
What used to be a wedge issue that worked for conservatives very recently became one that works against them and now it is a non-issue since a conservative candidate can point to the SCOTUS and say "I can't do anything about it. but let's talk about taxes."



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I see the inverse of that being true also. In my state, we've had many ballot initiatives and state constitutional amendments against SSM as a way to drive the GOP base to the polls to drown out moderate Republican and Democratic candidates. It worked. It worked so well that we now have a GOP supermajority in both houses of our legislature, a Republican governor/Lt. governor, and a fully GOP state supreme court (which are also elected). Their victory was absolute. Not a single democratic party member holds ANY statewide office in Alabama. Since SCOTUS ruled on the issue, this is one less quiver in their arsenal of wedge issues. Personally, I relish the chance for the GOP to start having to debate taxes and the economy down here.

 

[mnewsham]

As opposed to spreading to polygamy. There is no case for gay marriage that doesn't equally support group marriage. The difference is their degree of acceptance, and as we saw with gay marriage, that can change in the space of 10 years.

Polygamy or Polyandry SHOULD be legal under this ruling, though obviously it isn't technically legal, i'm not sure if american society is ready for that yet, though I imagine it is only a matter of time. The biggest headaches involved are deciding who gets what in a divorce, power of attorney in case of medical decisions, etc. Does the decision go to the first wife/husband. Is there an equal vote? etc etc.

I personally dont have any issues with Polygamy and Polyandry, I just don't see it happening any time soon as it's such a small issue in this country and likely will never get the attention or sympathy gay rights has received.

 

[Sonikku]

Meanwhile, Scalia's like...

 

[SlickSnake]

Some couples now want to get officiated in their own home states. I'm not one of those people.

 

[davmat787]

All true conservatives should rejoice with this ruling, as the principle that says the government should have no power over behavior between consenting adults and over who consenting adults may marry is greater than any personal feelings of homosexuality.

That the principle allows others freedoms you may not agree with is the whole point, and whether you agree or not is of no importance frankly.

 

[Blackjack200]

All true conservatives should rejoice with this ruling, as the principle that says the government should have no power over behavior between consenting adults and over who consenting adults may marry is greater than any personal feelings of homosexuality.

That the principle allows others freedoms you may not agree with is the whole point, and whether you agree or not is of no importance frankly.

Excellent point that more people should be making.

 

[davmat787]

I feel like gay divorces should be relatively simple.

-less likelihood for kids to be involved
-because of above, less reason for one of the spouses to give up their careers and become a housewife/husband
-similar earning potentials

Oh hell no. You get the full equality treatment, the divorce industry won't streamline the process and costs for gay divorce I am sure.

No 1040EZ version of gay divorce! What is interesting is the dynamics in traditional divorce and family court of male vs. female and if gay divorce will bring to light some of the bias that has grown into divorce proceedings.

 

[realibrad]

All true conservatives should rejoice with this ruling, as the principle that says the government should have no power over behavior between consenting adults and over who consenting adults may marry is greater than any personal feelings of homosexuality.

That the principle allows others freedoms you may not agree with is the whole point, and whether you agree or not is of no importance frankly.

No. A conservative wants to conserve. They want things to stay the same. A libertarian is someone who wants freedom as the primary goal. Often people self label themselves as both things, but they are different. Libertarian's should be happy with this, but I sure many libertarian wont be happy either.

 

[SMOGZINN]

All true conservatives should rejoice with this ruling, as the principle that says the government should have no power over behavior between consenting adults and over who consenting adults may marry is greater than any personal feelings of homosexuality.

That the principle allows others freedoms you may not agree with is the whole point, and whether you agree or not is of no importance frankly.

No, true conservatives feel that government should have no power over the behavior of adults and the people that wish to oppress them. The most important behavior that needs to be protected is the right for the majority to oppress the minority.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Oh hell no. You get the full equality treatment, the divorce industry won't streamline the process and costs for gay divorce I am sure.

No 1040EZ version of gay divorce! What is interesting is the dynamics in traditional divorce and family court of male vs. female and if gay divorce will bring to light some of the bias that has grown into divorce proceedings.

Lesbian divorce is going to be really hard on the court as they end up awarding alimony to both parties.

 

[brycejones]

Lesbian divorce is going to be really hard on the court as they end up wanting to award alimony to both parties.

Alimony that adds up to 120% of the original income?

 

[shira]

Not the least bit surprised. I'm surprised it was 5-4, not 6-3.

Me, too. I expected Roberts to also go with the majority. Yet his dissent was super-vehement. Go figure.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Oh hell no. You get the full equality treatment, the divorce industry won't streamline the process and costs for gay divorce I am sure.

No 1040EZ version of gay divorce! What is interesting is the dynamics in traditional divorce and family court of male vs. female and if gay divorce will bring to light some of the bias that has grown into divorce proceedings.

Here's some good here. Hope most homosexual couple do infertility or adopt kids, I want the bias of the family courts against 'fathers' in favor of 'mothers' to be brought to the forefront.

 

[umbrella39]

The gays are still mentally ill people just like your local pedophiles and the village tranny.

Bigoted sentiments like this are unwelcome here.

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And EBT's who continue to come back are the bastion of mental health right? The CBD is strong with this one...