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Die in a cancer ward.

It's true. Veganism is going directly against what the human body is designed to do.

You NEED Carbs. If you are low on carbs the symptoms lack of energy and depression. Your brain doesn't function properly. The trick is to eat the right carbs from plant food like fruit or potatoes.


LOL, in the Stone age as you put, life was a constant struggle. They would search for food all day long then almost have to fight to the death to kill something.

Point number 1 is false. At first, when you draw down your carb intake, your brain will feel the shortage and consume less energy. However, within a day, your body will convert to a ketogenic metabolism and your brain will operate at full capacity again. You do not need carbs to survive.

Also the hunter gatherer lifestyle being difficult is a myth. Most evidence points hunter gathers leading very leisurely lives. Their food intake was not that hard to fullfiill, and they lived fairly healthy lives living on meats and other sources of food while forming tight communities.

However, with the agricultural revolution, human health actually suffered a decline because they became dependent on mostly vegetables and grains, and they had many many nutritional problems as they were not getting the nutrition that meat uniquely provides in large quantities.
 

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It's true. Veganism is going directly against what the human body is designed to do.



Point number 1 is false. At first, when you draw down your carb intake, your brain will feel the shortage and consume less energy. However, within a day, your body will convert to a ketogenic metabolism and your brain will operate at full capacity again. You do not need carbs to survive.

Also the hunter gatherer lifestyle being difficult is a myth. Most evidence points hunter gathers leading very leisurely lives. Their food intake was not that hard to fullfiill, and they lived fairly healthy lives living on meats and other sources of food while forming tight communities.

However, with the agricultural revolution, human health actually suffered a decline because they became dependent on mostly vegetables and grains, and they had many many nutritional problems as they were not getting the nutrition that meat uniquely provides in large quantities.
You have no idea what you're talking about.. You might as well tell me the moon is made out of cheese.
 

shortylickens

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Shit. I got the teflon upper. But I forgot to get eggs. And it doesnt work well as is. Just sits on top of the pot. But as you steam it up it starts floating around. I need some way to lock it down. Gonna take some work. Not today, tomorrow.
 

WelshBloke

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Shit. I got the teflon upper. But I forgot to get eggs. And it doesnt work well as is. Just sits on top of the pot. But as you steam it up it starts floating around. I need some way to lock it down. Gonna take some work. Not today, tomorrow.

Are you talking about a bain-marie?

If so I just use a small saucepan floating in a big one. :awe:
 

destrekor

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You have no idea what you're talking about.. You might as well tell me the moon is made out of cheese.

Nor, apparently, do you.




I'm not going to address every point you have made in each post, because that requires too much work on my part, selecting different quote sections from various posts. It's not important enough for me to prove you wrong.
That also means I am not going to do your research for you and make a list of citations. I'd actually enjoy doing that, to a degree, but I am just feeling way too lazy.


First, you don't NEED a ton of carbs. Do you need carbs, period? Yes.
Zero carbs is an almost impossible nutritional goal anyhow.
All the best non-meat protein sources have a fair amount of carbs, and the whole package equates slow digestion, which is ideal.

And you are opening up a whole different can of worms by comparing what our body is genetically designed to do, and what we are trying to do today. There are almost too many factors to really compute, making it difficult to create a perfect diet (flavored goop food-substances, here we come!) for whatever you decide to do.

First off, modern athleticism and the genetic history are related, but not twins. Even dating back to the Greeks and beyond, competitive athleticism goes above and beyond what any early specimens would have accomplished.
They competed for attention, for tribal rule, for mating, but they didn't hold massive competitions and go running for pleasure across 20 miles of random terrain, just because it sounds like a fun idea.

That necessarily changes required dietary intake. They weren't being chased every other hour, worried sick every time they took a nap, or what have you.
Early, primal, haven't-left-Africa-yet humans, sure... they may have. But even then, such encounters were not likely an every day occurrence.


As a society, becoming adjusted to dependable food sources, regardless of their actual net value, is a necessity - especially when moving to new territories. Especially when your tribe is no longer 20-50 strong, but thousands or larger. You either begin to limit the size of your local society, or you spread out, or you adapt as best you can with the knowledge you have.

It turns out, we can survive on a hell of a lot. There is a large difference between surviving, and living in ideal peak condition. Even ancestral humans weren't all perfectly healthy or in peak condition, that likely varied quite a bit. Your social standing and the relative wealth of regional resources played a large role in that regard, most assuredly.

You'll notice I also stated, at some point, perhaps even in a different thread, that you should shape your diet around your average and specific activity levels. If you are training or preparing for major athletic events, it's a good time to stock up on more carb-rich foods. Still, of the complex variety... not shooting up liquid sugar.
But you should rarely, if ever, consume anything that has more carbs than any other nutritional component, unless you are planning to biologically utilize those relatively worthless empty calories in the immediate future. If you compete at noon, for example, you really shouldn't be consuming any grains or otherwise carb-heavy foods after that event. Some carbs, in a protein- and MUFA/PUFA-heavy food source post-event, is good to shore up biochemical energy to most effectively conduct various biological reactions and get the more-important chemicals where they are most needed; but even then, that's of today's knowledge, and all in the effort to SPEED-UP the natural processes. More efficient, perhaps, but we still aren't entirely sure at what cost.

The body is "designed" to handle just about anything, specifically for short periods, so that it can survive to see another day, at which point hopefully with better luck at getting what the body really needs. Just like we can go days without quality vitamin intake, because the body can handle short-term deficits and surpluses, is, again, "designed" to be able to handle that so that life isn't more of a struggle than necessary.

The brain and body needs carbs, sure, but even completely giving up grains, you won't be struggling to even reach 100g of carbs in any given day. You may even surpass that without grains.
The FDA, based on subtracting what they call "limits" for average fat and protein intake per day, basically sets one up to consume over 300g of carbs a day! Honestly, that's all kinds of ridiculous.
You can mentally prepare yourself to "drastically cut back on carbs" - and go over 100g, if not 150g, and shit yourself when you realize you consumed that much even when actively trying NOT to do so. Especially with modern foods, carbs are in everything. Even eating completely whole foods, nothing processed, you'll find a healthy amount of carbs in your average daily intake.
 

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Nor, apparently, do you.




I'm not going to address every point you have made in each post, because that requires too much work on my part, selecting different quote sections from various posts. It's not important enough for me to prove you wrong...[Zip...]


Then shut up!

Thank you and fuck off with your cave man diet. There is so much bs on the subject thrown around by people and lobbyists with special interests not too mention lots of stupid people too.

But anyone that can thinks that eating vegan for at least 80-90% of your diet is bad you must have had their brain growth stunted by their diet when they were young.
 

Fritzo

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Then shut up!

Thank you and fuck off with your cave man diet. There is so much bs on the subject thrown around by people and lobbyists with special interests not too mention lots of stupid people too.

But anyone that can thinks that eating vegan for at least 80-90% of your diet is bad you must have had their brain growth stunted by their diet when they were young.

If it's working for them and not harming you, why are you getting so worked up about it?
 

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Fritzo

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Point number 1 is false. At first, when you draw down your carb intake, your brain will feel the shortage and consume less energy. However, within a day, your body will convert to a ketogenic metabolism and your brain will operate at full capacity again. You do not need carbs to survive.

Also the hunter gatherer lifestyle being difficult is a myth. Most evidence points hunter gathers leading very leisurely lives. Their food intake was not that hard to fullfiill, and they lived fairly healthy lives living on meats and other sources of food while forming tight communities.

However, with the agricultural revolution, human health actually suffered a decline because they became dependent on mostly vegetables and grains, and they had many many nutritional problems as they were not getting the nutrition that meat uniquely provides in large quantities.

Thank you. The basis behind diet plans like Atkins, South Beach, and other low cab/high protein is training your body to use fats, proteins, and complex carbs for energy. Right now, a lot of American's diets are based on simple processed carbs: bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, and sugar. You'll notice that all cheap foods are loaded with these ingredients. Our bodies are designed to seek them out because they pack a lot of quick calories and they're supposed to be rare.

In today's world, starches are now the norm and complex carbs/proteins take a back seat. We're still wired to seek simple carbs (which is why sweet tastes give a pleasurable experience)...and it's the reason so many people are fat.

So yes, we need carbs, but not the kind that most people are eating. Low carb/high protein and fat diets are fixing that.
 

WelshBloke

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Thank you. The basis behind diet plans like Atkins, South Beach, and other low cab/high protein is training your body to use fats, proteins, and complex carbs for energy. Right now, a lot of American's diets are based on simple processed carbs: bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, and sugar. You'll notice that all cheap foods are loaded with these ingredients. Our bodies are designed to seek them out because they pack a lot of quick calories and they're supposed to be rare.

In today's world, starches are now the norm and complex carbs/proteins take a back seat. We're still wired to seek simple carbs (which is why sweet tastes give a pleasurable experience)...and it's the reason so many people are fat.

So yes, we need carbs, but not the kind that most people are eating. Low carb/high protein and fat diets are fixing that.

The reason people are fat is because we sit on our arses a lot more than previous generations.
 

Fritzo

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The reason people are fat is because we sit on our arses a lot more than previous generations.

...and we're coupling that with high-calorie cheap foods. A standard fast food meal in 1970 was a 2 oz patty hamburger, 4 oz of fries, and a 12 oz soft drink. Now the standard fast food meal is a 6-8 oz double cheeseburger, 12 oz of fries, and a 32 oz softdrink.

People are also swigging energy drinks 24/7, eating ramen noodles for two meals a day, getting two for one hot dogs with slushes at gas stations, and so forth.

You used to have to go to specific locations to get food like this, and those locations were only open from 9am-6pm..maybe 7 or 8 if they were crazy. Stores like KMart had a snack stand, but didn't actually sell food (other than candy bars in the checkout isle).

My point is, junk food is now available from anywhere 24/7, they're being advertised heavily, you're "trendy" if you use some of these products, and we're moving a lot less than we used to. All of these factors =

 

shortylickens

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Sorry about the white balance, I was in a hurry and used Auto.

Bad thing is I gotta tie the stupid pan down. Good thing is cuz its teflon so I can just pick the eggs up.
Overall, perfect. Tastes great. Easy cleanup. And if I dont use too much water it cooks fast.
 

WelshBloke

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Sorry about the white balance, I was in a hurry and used Auto.

Bad thing is I gotta tie the stupid pan down. Good thing is cuz its teflon so I can just pick the eggs up.
Overall, perfect. Tastes great. Easy cleanup. And if I dont use too much water it cooks fast.

No toast!

Looks good though. (I like mine a little squidgier, but I'm odd like that)
 

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The reason people are fat is because we sit on our arses a lot more than previous generations.
What they eat plays a part in that though. Garbage in = garbage out. They eat like crap, then wonder why they always feel like crap. I try to tell them there is no food in their food, and get blank stares.

As to scrambled eggs; Only online can people turn something so simple into a lengthy discussion. It reminds me of the scene in Grosse Pointe Blank when he the waitress asks "What would you like in the omelette?" Response - "Nothing in the omelette, nothing at all." She says "Well that's not technically an omelette then." He quips "Look, I don't want to get into a semantic argument over it, I just want the protein.
 
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Then shut up!

Thank you and fuck off with your cave man diet. There is so much bs on the subject thrown around by people and lobbyists with special interests not too mention lots of stupid people too.

But anyone that can thinks that eating vegan for at least 80-90% of your diet is bad you must have had their brain growth stunted by their diet when they were young.

How do you eat 80-90% vegan. The definition of vegan implies all or nothing. A balanced diet incorporates all food groups, including meats.

Also, kids eating vegan diets can easily get sick or die because of lack of nutrition.. A vegan diet lacks essential nutrients that are either unobtainable, or need a vegetable to be eaten in amounts that is unweildy.
 

shortylickens

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PSA: Those are cooking rubber bands wrapped out the pot. They take heat and cold a lot better than normal rubber bands.
More expensive too.
 

destrekor

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How do you eat 80-90% vegan. The definition of vegan implies all or nothing. A balanced diet incorporates all food groups, including meats.

Also, kids eating vegan diets can easily get sick or die because of lack of nutrition.. A vegan diet lacks essential nutrients that are either unobtainable, or need a vegetable to be eaten in amounts that is unweildy.

A livable vegetarian or vegan approach essentially requires a whole lot of supplements. It's just not a feasible lifestyle or ideal at all - you are dependent upon the modern state of nutritional science, in that you can get what you are missing through pills, powders, etc - if you tried to live that lifestyle entirely naturally, you won't be doing all that well.
If you make it out alright, you still are likely to never reach any kind of peak fitness or health. It's just missing too much. If you take the vegan approach but add non-vegan-approved sources, you might do all right - but it's not ideal for the body and the least efficient way to meet nutritional needs.


Of course, leave it to someone who is a proponent of veganism to label Paleo-inspired nutrition as "scientifically wrong." One is so deluded by false advertising in his face, that even the most detailed journal articles and books probably can't convince him of the fallacy. Glad I didn't bother searching that information. It'd be a pain in the ass anyway, because some of what I've spoke is based around nutritional and exercise sciences, but some is also anthropological and related-studies, found elsewhere among the sea of published material out there. Requires a bit of magic to get the good info out of places like jstor and other archives. And a lot of google fu.
 

shortylickens

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If you were rich and didnt have to work and could spend all day shopping and preparing food, it might be doable. Probably why its so popular in California.
 

sdifox

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im actually surprised that there has not been one post on how unhealthy Ramsey egg recipe is. half a stick of butter and a healthy blob of more fat..

that was no where near half a stick of butter...
 
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