Screaming Deals - Motorcycle gear for cheap...

unsped

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new enough isnt bad, they used to have ALOT of deals on closeout stuff, now they mainly just sell new stuff at regular prices.
 

cmv

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Thumbs up for them. I brought some HJC helmets through them and some other gear.
 

Googer

Lifer
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Looks great, but I dont think I would trust a helmet that is on closeout. It's something that I am just not willing to save a buck on.
 

VanTheMan

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As long as the helmets aren't damaged and they're DOT or (preferably) Snell approved, they should be as good as any other helmet. I always like to try gear on before I buy, though. Especially with helmets, you can never tell if they're going to fit you right without trying them on and moving around.
 

herbiehancock

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Originally posted by: VanTheMan
As long as the helmets aren't damaged and they're DOT or (preferably) Snell approved, they should be as good as any other helmet. I always like to try gear on before I buy, though. Especially with helmets, you can never tell if they're going to fit you right without trying them on and moving around.

Helmets cannot be sold in the U.S. without them being DOT approved, so that issue is rather moot. On the other hand, I tend to value my brain a bit more than what the DOT requires a helmet to pass and will only purchase a Snell approved one.

Why? Part is because of the testing procedures used.....Snell actually tests helmets while the DOT depends on manufacturers testing their own helmets and reporting to the DOT that the helmet passed....no verification of testing is required.

A snippet of DOT vs. Snell testing procedures/requirements for passing/certification:

It's easy to get lost in the scientific jargon when trying to sift through the testing process of both standards. Simplified, DOT and Snell assess each helmet by placing it on a head form that is equipped with sensors. The helmeted head form is then dropped from a specific height onto a steel anvil, and the severity of the impact is recorded.

Both standards drop the head forms on flat and hemispherically shaped anvils in order to simulate different types of impacts. However, Snell also uses an edged anvil that specifically tests the integrity of the helmet's shell.

DOT and Snell test each helmet two times at four different impact zones. DOT drops their helmets from a 6-foot height on the flat anvil and from a 4.5-foot height on the hemispherical anvil. Snell on the other hand, drops the helmets from a 10-foot and 7.5-foot height on both anvils, which simulates a more severe impact.

Although their testing process is very similar, SMF requires their certified helmets to withstand a greater impact and absorb more force than the DOT standards.

In order for a company to claim that their product is Snell approved, they have to submit five helmets for testing. Four of those helmets are tested and one is saved as a sample product. If the helmet design passes the tests, the manufacturer enters into a contract with Snell. This contract allows SMF to buy helmets from the manufacturer and test them on a continual basis in order to ensure quality.

DOT certification, however, is less regulated. The manufacturer performs their own tests and determines whether their helmets are DOT approved. Even though the manufacturer doesn't have to report their findings, the government does occasionally conduct limited tests or spot checks. Nevertheless, allowing each company to test their own equipment and not make them report their results means that the DOT certification is done by the honor system.

In 2001, DOT performed one of their spots tests on 40 helmets. There was a 20 percent failure rate with the AFX, Fulmer, HJC, M2R, NEXL, and THH helmets. Again, after the data was published, it was up to the manufacturer to bring their products into compliance.

While there's no guarantee a DOT-approved helmet has actually been tested, the purchase of a Snell-approved lid ensures that the product has been evaluated under scrutiny. A Snell-certified helmet also meets and exceeds the DOT standards.

The DOT standards are important because they outline the minimum requirements all motorcycle helmets must meet, which has already saved countless lives. But if you want to make sure your helmet has been tested impartially, then buying a helmet with the Snell sticker on it is a dependable alternative.


Thanks, but I'll stick with Snell certification and bypass only DOT helmets.....and there are lots of reasonably priced Snell-cert'd helmets out there.
 

imported_motodude

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Thanks op, got the dayglo yellow Icon.
I'll slap a couple of Newegg stickers on back that mofo, put a gallon in the Vespa, and it's hello Daytona Beach goodbye virginity!!!
 

zixxer

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Without creating a huge post - snell rated helmets are NOT neccesarily better. The foam in them has proven to be, in many cases, way too hard and can cause more damage than a normal dot only helmet.

basically, one of the top magazines (I think cyclerider) did a huge study on this, and it was determined that snell uses a method to test helmets that doesn't apply to real world situations. manufacturers make the foam stiffer to pass snell, but it doesn't give enough and could cause brain damage in which a non-snell (dot only) helmet would save you.



I happen to wear an hjc ac-11, which is snell approved - by biggest issue with dot-only helmets is that the clasps/vents/foam padding tends to be horrible and they're uncomfortable because of it.



What you have to watch out for with 'closeout' helmets is the manufacture date. After a period of time the foam on the inside 'goes bad' (I dunno if it hardens or what) but that's it. I bought all 3 of my helmets from newenough closeouts and they were all sitting on a shelf for ~6-12 months. Not a big deal

 

Johnniewalker

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Originally posted by: Googer
Looks great, but I dont think I would trust a helmet that is on closeout. It's something that I am just not willing to save a buck on.

I don't agree...there are lots of reasons it could be on closeout, many of which have nothing to do with the quality...but this does remind me of an old adverstising slogan ( i think it was Bell) that I do agree with...

"Got a $10 head? Buy a $10 helmet"

 

Googer

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: herbiehancock
Originally posted by: VanTheMan
As long as the helmets aren't damaged and they're DOT or (preferably) Snell approved, they should be as good as any other helmet. I always like to try gear on before I buy, though. Especially with helmets, you can never tell if they're going to fit you right without trying them on and moving around.

Helmets cannot be sold in the U.S. without them being DOT approved, so that issue is rather moot. On the other hand, I tend to value my brain a bit more than what the DOT requires a helmet to pass and will only purchase a Snell approved one.

Why? Part is because of the testing procedures used.....Snell actually tests helmets while the DOT depends on manufacturers testing their own helmets and reporting to the DOT that the helmet passed....no verification of testing is required.

A snippet of DOT vs. Snell testing procedures/requirements for passing/certification:

It's easy to get lost in the scientific jargon when trying to sift through the testing process of both standards. Simplified, DOT and Snell assess each helmet by placing it on a head form that is equipped with sensors. The helmeted head form is then dropped from a specific height onto a steel anvil, and the severity of the impact is recorded.

Both standards drop the head forms on flat and hemispherically shaped anvils in order to simulate different types of impacts. However, Snell also uses an edged anvil that specifically tests the integrity of the helmet's shell.

DOT and Snell test each helmet two times at four different impact zones. DOT drops their helmets from a 6-foot height on the flat anvil and from a 4.5-foot height on the hemispherical anvil. Snell on the other hand, drops the helmets from a 10-foot and 7.5-foot height on both anvils, which simulates a more severe impact.

Although their testing process is very similar, SMF requires their certified helmets to withstand a greater impact and absorb more force than the DOT standards.

In order for a company to claim that their product is Snell approved, they have to submit five helmets for testing. Four of those helmets are tested and one is saved as a sample product. If the helmet design passes the tests, the manufacturer enters into a contract with Snell. This contract allows SMF to buy helmets from the manufacturer and test them on a continual basis in order to ensure quality.

DOT certification, however, is less regulated. The manufacturer performs their own tests and determines whether their helmets are DOT approved. Even though the manufacturer doesn't have to report their findings, the government does occasionally conduct limited tests or spot checks. Nevertheless, allowing each company to test their own equipment and not make them report their results means that the DOT certification is done by the honor system.

In 2001, DOT performed one of their spots tests on 40 helmets. There was a 20 percent failure rate with the AFX, Fulmer, HJC, M2R, NEXL, and THH helmets. Again, after the data was published, it was up to the manufacturer to bring their products into compliance.

While there's no guarantee a DOT-approved helmet has actually been tested, the purchase of a Snell-approved lid ensures that the product has been evaluated under scrutiny. A Snell-certified helmet also meets and exceeds the DOT standards.

The DOT standards are important because they outline the minimum requirements all motorcycle helmets must meet, which has already saved countless lives. But if you want to make sure your helmet has been tested impartially, then buying a helmet with the Snell sticker on it is a dependable alternative.


Thanks, but I'll stick with Snell certification and bypass only DOT helmets.....and there are lots of reasonably priced Snell-cert'd helmets out there.

Link Please!
 

Googer

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: VanTheMan
As long as the helmets aren't damaged and they're DOT or (preferably) Snell approved, they should be as good as any other helmet. I always like to try gear on before I buy, though. Especially with helmets, you can never tell if they're going to fit you right without trying them on and moving around.

That doesn't mean that these helmets couln't be some type of factory reject. The price makes me very suspicious.
 

serval

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What's the best Helmet? Here's a place to get started in your research ... lots of articles and good info

They've had those icon helmets for a long time, but apparently they weren't selling fast enough, so they're going on close out, the price is great, I got one of the non-rubatone variety (wanted the rubber coating, but it was MORE expensive at the time and the colors are, well, bright).

They are great on fast shipping and returns, got a helmet, jacket and gloves from them for a very slick deal, refer friends there still. Might order a mesh jack (also good deals) for this summer since we're looking at 100 degrees this week in the Bay Area.

I'm just some nut who bought some stuff from them and wanted to spread the good experience, never really even thought anyone on anandtech would be interested, but I was wrong!

EDIT: the icon helmet I got was snell approved, I believe the rubatone version is basically identical in that respect.

Here's a good article if anyone's looking for some perspective on the Snell vs. DOT debate ... turns out withstanding bigger hits also means smaller hits hurt more basically so some non-Snell helmets cause fewer injuries (as most accidents don't involve the force levels Snell helmets are designed to withstand). Simply put, if you did the egg drop science project in school, if you put the egg in a hard container then the container transfered the impact to the egg but if you used a softer container (cottonballs and tape or something) then the container might break, but not the egg ... then again, if you hucked the container at a metal pole at 75mph then I bet the egg would be in pretty bad shape when your crappy little cotton ball container hit compared to the metal container ... either way, the egg is screwed ... I've gotten side tracked somehow ... back to deposition summary!

Do inexpensive DOT-approved helmets protect better than helmets than expensive Snell-approved helmets? The June 2005 Motorcyclist magazine addressed this controversy:
http://motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/motorcycle_helmet_review/


 

VaG

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Originally posted by: motodude
Thanks op, got the dayglo yellow Icon.
I'll slap a couple of Newegg stickers on back that mofo, put a gallon in the Vespa, and it's hello Daytona Beach goodbye virginity!!!

Not sure why you would wear a helmet in Daytona other than to hide your face to increase the chances of reaching your goal.

 

zixxer

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Jul 6, 2001
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fyi also, I have an icon rubatone (mine is the $55 one, but I paid like $75 to use it as a 'night only' helmet so I don't have to mess with swapping out my mirrored faceshield on my ac-11...)

it's nice looking, but has a serious lack of ventilation. Also, the sizing was wierd. I wear a large HJC, shoei, and arai... the icon was an XL and it's still a 'little' tight...

newenough is great about exchanges though... just don't pull off any tags
 

serval

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Sep 16, 2003
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I'll second that on the helmet sizing ... I ordered an XL but needed an XXL instead ... I fit an XL Arai pretty well though. Order big.

Abe
 

unsped

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i always find it funny when the driver has an arai, and b1tch on the back has an hjc hehehe
 

imported_Shivetya

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I have the Icon Mainframe helmet, other than the goofy vents on the top rear portion of the helmet I love the thing.

Sizing Icon helmets is just like any other. go find a retailer who has the links for the size charts and measure your head.

here is one chart for many helmets

http://www.brocktoncycle.com/images/bro...cycle/motorcyclehelmet_size_chart.html

a size chart for more than helmets

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/SizeCharts.aspx

yet another with many different brands on one chart

http://www.helmetoutletusa.com/templates/helmet_sizing_pop.html

 

StressedActor

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I'm very pleased with newenough. Bought 2 icon jackets from them, one leather and one mesh. Excellent closeout prices, good service too. The mesh jacket was too small and I was able to get it replaced for the cost of shipping which was about $20. I would buy from them again.
 
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