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[thoro86]

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[isekii]

damn the 400gb is tempting.

 

[xaeniac]

why wouldn't you buy isekii

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: xaeniac
why wouldn't you buy isekii

Cuz I have more than enough space right now But it's mightly Tempting!

 

[gclg2000]

I'm in for one

 

[Kwint Sommer]

400 Gb is nice but "UDMA/100 INTERFACE" is horrible. This thing is slower than most of the current PATAs. Nothing like a big hard drive that will take forever to transfer large files. This is only a good deal if you're storing rarely accessed data.

 

[Kwint Sommer]

This is identical to the 400 Gb PATA for $99.99 thread the OP is just to lazy to change the title.

 

[gclg2000]

Originally posted by: Kwint Sommer
400 Gb is nice but "UDMA/100 INTERFACE" is horrible. This thing is slower than most of the current PATAs. Nothing like a big hard drive that will take forever to transfer large files. This is only a good deal if you're storing rarely accessed data.

nah its fine and will be fast enough.

For me its going in a USB 2.0 enclosure that i keep my dvd's and mp3's on.

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Kwint Sommer
400 Gb is nice but "UDMA/100 INTERFACE" is horrible. This thing is slower than most of the current PATAs. Nothing like a big hard drive that will take forever to transfer large files. This is only a good deal if you're storing rarely accessed data.

because ata100 is so much slower than ata133... heh.

 

[rcllbrg]

7200 rpm drives can even saturate sata150, perpendicular recording or not...
on 10ks and up you can notice the bottleneck

 

[houe]

They list PERPENDICULAR RECORDING TECHNOLOGY as one of the features. Does this automatically mean a 7200.10?

 

[SleepyB]

Nice! This is the lowest it's been. I think I'm gonna jump on one.

houe, you have about a 75% chance of getting a 7200.10. Most members in the other threads have been reporting getting 7200.10, but one or two got 7200.9. Guess you're unlucky if they ship you an older stock they find in the warehouse.

Can people post which version, and maybe like the first 3 or 4 digits of the serial number for the drive?

My theory is any serial number with P for the 2nd character is a 7200.9, and Q is a 7200.10

Example:

3PM09xxx is a 7200.9
3QB12xxx is a 7200.10

 

[Kwint Sommer]

Originally posted by: rcllbrg
7200 rpm drives can even saturate sata150, perpendicular recording or not...
on 10ks and up you can notice the bottleneck

I assume you intended to say that a standard 7200 rpm "can not even saturate sata150" and you're essentially right, they can hit those speeds for short periods but they can't actually transfer 1.5Gb in a second. That said, there is a reason that virtually all large hard drives currently being produced use Sata II which is almost 4 times the speed of this hard drive and from the numbers I've seen perpendicular recording should allow for sustainable transfer speeds above 1.5Gb a second.
Further, just as a SATA II drive can't sustain 3Gb/s I'm that this drive can't maintain its paltry 100MB/s which raises the question of just how defective this drive is if it couldn't manage bursts of 133 in testing. There is no valid reason to make 400GB 16MB buffer drives that run this slow. These are clearly drives that failed some type of data transfer or access test and got marked as 100s instead of 133s.

 

[SleepyB]

You guys do realize that ATA/100 vs 133 is just a marketing gimmic right?

It was originally developed by Maxtor, and I think the only other company that uses that rating is Hitachi.

All Seagate, Western Digital, and Samsung PATA HDs use ATA/100.

 

[Kwint Sommer]

Both of my Western Digital and Maxtor PATA drives claim 133.

 

[AAjax]

In for 1. As a secondary slush/storage drive this fits the bill indeed.

Damn thats cheap

 

[wirelessenabled]

Thanks! In on this

 

[Elixer]

Originally posted by: SleepyB
You guys do realize that ATA/100 vs 133 is just a marketing gimmic right?

It was originally developed by Maxtor, and I think the only other company that uses that rating is Hitachi.

All Seagate, Western Digital, and Samsung PATA HDs use ATA/100.

Well said.

I also thought that the other companies besides Maxtor had to pony up to list their drives as 133.

As of right now, in real world use, you will se very little difference between PATA 100/133 & SATA 1.5/3. The RPM and or density has to increase much more for it to show a real improvement in real world use.

So take 2 of those so called 'slow' ATA 100 drives, and RAID them up.

 

[Sniper82]

to bad these ain't SATAII. Nice price but I'd rather not go back to IDE. Even though SATA might not be much of a upgrade performance wise but just getting rid of that large IDE cable is worth it alone.

 

[Odeen]

Does anyone know of a 4-drive RAID5-supporting BYOD NAS enclosure? Seems like all the high-performance NAS boxen are SATA-only. It's a shame, considering they never take advantage of whatever meager performance improvements SATA offers.

FYI: A modern 7200 RPM hard drive will be hard-pressed to transfer data at 70 megabytes per second continuously. In fact, that only happens while reading from the outside area of the drive - as you move further towards the center, the transfer speeds decrease. ATA/100, ATA/133, SATA/150 or SATA/300 will all transfer data equally quickly.

 

[SleepyB]

Originally posted by: Odeen
Does anyone know of a 4-drive RAID5-supporting BYOD NAS enclosure? Seems like all the high-performance NAS boxen are SATA-only. It's a shame, considering they never take advantage of whatever meager performance improvements SATA offers.

Yeah... I've been checking out NASes lately, and the recommended one is Infrant ReadyNAS NV+. This is an upgrade to the ReadyNAS NV. But it's SATA only. Does all those fancy RAID level, and has it's own X-RAID, which offers redundancy automatically configured based on the number of HDs you plug in. The reviews seem to be good, but the price is a bit out of my range, about ~$600.

D-Link has a new 2 bay BYOD NAS, D-Link DNS-323. Price is about right ~$200, and does RAID 0/1/JBOD, and uses SAMBA/Windows File Sharing. Waiting for some reviews on it before buying, but it's SATA as well.

Other way around is find a cheap, old box, and throw some HDs in it and use Windows software RAID, or FreeNAS. But that isn't as nice as a standalone NAS.

 

[chazzzer]

Standalone NAS is nice, but do any of them do hardware RAID-5? RAID-0 is fast, but lose a drive and lose your data. RAID-1 is nice, you can lose a drive and keep all of your data...but it's not a very economical use of your drives. RAID-5 is the way to go, you can RAID 8 or 12 drives and only lose a single drive's capacity due to redundancy. I haven't seen any small NAS boxes that will do it though.

Instead, I'd recommend searching eBay for 3ware products, specifically 7506-8 cards. These 64-bit, 66MHz PCI PATA cards will do RAID-5 on up to 8 PATA drives, and can be had for around $150. Get a cheap case with a lot of bays, a cheap mobo/CPU/RAM and you're in business. It doesn't even have to be a very fast system...the hardware RAID card handles everything, the CPU just needs to get the data from the RAID card to the Gigabit NIC.

I recently put together a system like this. Just to make sure I was getting the absolute best possible performance, I bought an Intel mobo with dual 933MHz CPUs and two 64-bit, 66MHz PCI slots...total cost, about $80. Add in the 64-bit, 66MHz 3ware RAID card (7506-8) that I paid $120 for, and the total cost is about $200. (I already had the case/PS/RAM/Gigabit NIC, so those were free to me.) This is a kick-ass RAID-5 NAS solution. I run it under Windows, but it could easily run under Linux with the 3ware drivers. It's blazingly fast, cheap and reliable. Also, it's upgradable to larger drives in the future. There's also a 7506-12 that will support 12 drives, but the price on those is too high right now to get a good bang for your buck. It's a better deal to get a couple of -8 cards in most cases.

By the way, you can plug a 64-bit, 66MHz RAID controller into your PC. The 66MHz card will auto-adjust down to 33MHz, and the extra 32-bits of the PCI edge card connector are designed to hand past the end of your 32-bit slot and just run with slightly inferior performance.

Mmmmm...RAID-5 goodness is almost as good as dark, dark chocolate.