UglyCasanova
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As far as being anti-free press that wasn't something Obama kinda-sorta did once. It doesn't excuse Trump either, but let's not sweep it under the rug.
As far as being anti-free press that wasn't something Obama kinda-sorta did once. It doesn't excuse Trump either, but let's not sweep it under the rug.
I look at it this way: it's peanuts compared to what Trump wants. He genuinely can't stand the thought that the press would dare to challenge his lies and ask less-than-flattering questions. If Obama was a bit too sensitive, Trump is a prima donna.
You're still brushing it under the rug though. Obama went after the press for their sources to get at leaks all the time, look into his use of the Espionage Act. It's not just being a bit too sensitive, and it's not just about Fox News.
The main difference is that Obama ultimately believed in a press that was allowed to disagree with him and, to at least some extent, was willing to back off.
If Donald J. Trump decides as president to throw a whistle-blower in jail for trying to talk to a reporter, or gets the F.B.I. to spy on a journalist, he will have one man to thank for bequeathing him such expansive power: Barack Obama.
Again though, you're wrong about that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/...ump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html?_r=2
BS, is a pretty poor opinion piece to begin with.
Obama didn't do those things?
Report from a Washington Post journalist: https://cpj.org/reports/2013/10/obama-and-the-press-us-leaks-surveillance-post-911.php
Keep those alt-truthers out by spying on journalists and trying to force them to release their sources or face jail time?
What about giving three conservative reporters the boot: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6156794&page=1
Seems pretty restrictive.
Are you learning lessons though? Both you and Commodus are both doing severe mental gymnastics to keep from admitting Obama wasn't that great in terms of freedom of the press. And what does your link have to do with anything?
I guess I've hit those levels since I have no idea why McCain being a media darling for standing up to Trump has anything to do with either Trump banning certain news organizations from his briefings or the failures of the Obama administration in regards to the press.
You ready to admit yet Obama had significant failures with freedom of the press?
He had a few moments that pail in comparison to what is happening atm by a very long shot.
I would say he had an even more valid reason at the time, seeing as how the birther BS etc was complete crap.
Trump says shit that are clearly lies and tries suppressing the press almost non stop, and has cheerleaders and people trying to spin what he "meant to say" almost constantly.
Are you ready to admit you've been conned yet ?
If you're referring to me I wouldn't call myself a Trump fan and I listed two news sources that I read/watch that were included in the ban, both the NYT and BBC. The BBC has been much more impartial and fair over the past year in their political reporting admittedly. And I've said in this very thread that attack in the press is a bad move by Trump, just as it was by Obama.
Did Obama do some things I hated? Sure. It seems that the logic bomb insists that an action I despised is grounds for further actions I despise.
Bitching about Hillary, Obama and the Press just makes him look weaker that expected.
I hated when my kids screamed: "What about so and so." Wasn't he elected because he was different than those folks? Didn't he say it would be different?
Are you learning lessons though? Both you and Commodus are both doing severe mental gymnastics to keep from admitting Obama wasn't that great in terms of freedom of the press. And what does your link have to do with anything?
Alright, Obama wasn't that great. It'd be fairer to say that he at least had a basic respect for the press that doesn't exist at all with Trump. The current President genuinely doesn't want anyone to challenge him, however slightly, even when it's patently obvious that he's lying.
Your need to force this equivalence stems from what?I don't think he had much respect, he threatened them with imprisonment for doing their jobs.