Sean Spicer excluding media outlets from briefing (NYT, CNN, WAPO, Politico)

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PokerGuy

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Yes.

What news publications do you believe to be true?

I don't automatically believe any news publications to be true, I just consider the source when you read any news from any source. I consider BBC for example to be more likely to be true than most other outlets. Sure, they have their bias like any other source, but the are less likely to lie. Same for CSM.
 

PokerGuy

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I have asked PokerGuy many times what sources he believes are credible, he has always absolutely refused to answer. The reason for that isn't exactly mysterious, haha.

Huh? I just posted a couple of examples, as I have many times in the past. Drinking so early?
 

MikeMike

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I don't automatically believe any news publications to be true, I just consider the source when you read any news from any source. I consider BBC for example to be more likely to be true than most other outlets. Sure, they have their bias like any other source, but the are less likely to lie. Same for CSM.

Yet the WH barred BBC from entering the babble.

THE BBC.

Or did you not read when i posted the list above?

"This is a White House engaging in its own version of the media enemies list," Rove said. "And it's unhelpful for the country and undignified for the president of the United States to so do."
 

yllus

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If you want to live under a regime of state-run media, then move to Russia. I'm sure you'll feel right at home.
Otherwise, your 'fake news' and 'political agenda' rhetoric is just codespeak for government censorship and suppression of the free press.
There have been 44 Presidents before Trump that had to deal with the media, and they all seemed to get through it.
Even Nixon faced the press. It's incredible how far the conservative moment has fallen. Wow.
 
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fskimospy

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Huh? I just posted a couple of examples, as I have many times in the past. Drinking so early?

Oh so you finally found them! So what are those places you accept empirical research on media bias from?

And here I thought you were just going to refuse to answer that forever. Nice to be wrong!!
 

MikeMike

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Please see post #68.

You provided about 17 posts saying something along the lines of "this is needed" and one that says "i don't support this"

That's sorta like saying being charged by the feds with racial discrimination in the housing industry, and then later saying "I'm the least racist person ever"
 

Bubbleawsome

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Also @PokerGuy you're really weakening your own argument by calling out specific people. You should be able to have your argument stand on its own, not rely on others worst.

FWIW I was against Fox being blocked and I'm against this now too.
 
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When obummer tried to do the same thing to fox, other networks / news organizations did in fact at that point band together and said they would not stand for fox getting excluded and they forced the white house to back down.

I'm sure you were equally outraged when obummer was doing it to fox?

So you're trying to say the conservative media is going to band together also and the WH to back down?
 

Amused

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The fascist propaganda efforts continue. Realize this: The mainstream media is now the only voice that is actually proven to be independant and free from our government.

The right wing is actually proving it has lied all along about the media by it's own fascist actions and has vindicated the media at large in just one short month.
Only allowing in approved propaganda outlets is one of the most disturbing things to happen in the history of United States politics. How many cues does this man have to take from historical dictators like Hitler (Hitler did this very thing) before you finally admit this man is a clear and present danger to our freedoms?

If you claim to be against government control of the media and for a smaller government, you must oppose Trump's actions here. Any other stance is pure hypocrisy and you are, in reality, a big government authoritarian, and not a small government conservative.
 
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The fascist propaganda efforts continue. Realize this: The mainstream media is now the only voice that is actually proven to be independant and free from our government.

The right wing is actually proving it has lied all along about the media by it's own fascist actions and has vindicated the media at large in just one short month.
Only allowing in approved propaganda outlets is one of the most disturbing things to happen in the history of United States politics. How many cues does this man have to take from historical dictators like Hitler (Hitler did this very thing) before you finally admit this man is a clear and present danger to our freedoms?

If you claim to be against government control of the media and for a smaller government, you must oppose Trump's actions here. Any other stance is pure hypocrisy and you are, in reality, a big government authoritarian, and not a small government conservative.
It's just like David Frum's article in the Atlantic

All these anti-tyrrany people screaming for the last 8 years are missing the big picture, so eloquently outlined in the last paragraph of the article:
Those citizens who fantasize about defying tyranny from within fortified compounds have never understood how liberty is actually threatened in a modern bureaucratic state: not by diktat and violence, but by the slow, demoralizing process of corruption and deceit. And the way that liberty must be defended is not with amateur firearms, but with an unwearying insistence upon the honesty, integrity, and professionalism of American institutions and those who lead them. We are living through the most dangerous challenge to the free government of the United States that anyone alive has encountered. What happens next is up to you and me. Don’t be afraid. This moment of danger can also be your finest hour as a citizen and an American.
 
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brandonbull

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The fascist propaganda efforts continue. Realize this: The mainstream media is now the only voice that is actually proven to be independant and free from our government.

The right wing is actually proving it has lied all along about the media by it's own fascist actions and has vindicated the media at large in just one short month.
Only allowing in approved propaganda outlets is one of the most disturbing things to happen in the history of United States politics. How many cues does this man have to take from historical dictators like Hitler (Hitler did this very thing) before you finally admit this man is a clear and present danger to our freedoms?

If you claim to be against government control of the media and for a smaller government, you must oppose Trump's actions here. Any other stance is pure hypocrisy and you are, in reality, a big government authoritarian, and not a small government conservative.

I thought the MSM was proven to be in collusion with Clinton/DNC in trying to create the government.
 

brandonbull

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It's probably not the best idea to start excluding news outlets, but more and more News outlets seems to think the 1st Amendment is some kind of mandate for them to operate with impunity in their quest to shape and control public opinion with false and misleading news stories. They are becoming glorified political op-ed pieces operating under the guise of free press.
 
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I thought the MSM was proven to be in collusion with Clinton/DNC in trying to create the government.
Where did you get that idea?
It's probably not the best idea to start excluding news outlets, but more and more News outlets seems to think the 1st Amendment is some kind of mandate for them to operate with impunity in their quest to shape and control public opinion with false and misleading news stories. They are becoming glorified political op-ed pieces operating under the guise of free press.
And what stories are fake and misleading? Care to share what you think falls into that category? Do you ever take up this complaint with organizations like "The Washington Times" or "Breibart"?
 

Nashemon

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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4658334/spicer

Poor Spicer, must have buckled when Trump filled his diaper and asked for a safe space.
Transcription of that Politico interview with Sean Spicer from December 16th 2016:

Jake Sherman (Politico Senior Writer): One of the things that the Trump campaign gained notoriety for, was criticized for, was banning reporters...

Sean Spicer (RNC Chief Strategist & Communications Director): Right.

Sherman: ...Banning outlets, (*coughs* Politico was one of them). You said, I think, that you're not... that that's not gonna happen.

Spicer: Well, I think, look there's a big difference between a campaign where it is paid... where it is a private venue using private funds, and a government entity. I think we have a respect for the press when it comes to the government. That that is something that you can't ban an entity from. Conservative, liberal, or otherwise, I think that's what makes a democracy a democracy versus a dictatorship. So I think there a vastly different model when it comes to government and what should be accepted and that's on both sides.
 
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