Seasonic s12 or OCZpowerstream

[djnsmith7]

I own the OCZ Modstream 520 & there are only 2 drawbacks for my usage...The 1st is it only ships with 1 PCI-e cable...The 2nd is the 24 pin cable isn't long enough if you want to use the Silverstone TJ06 case that I'm using...I ended up buying the Enermax Liberty 500 which has a 22" cord...Fits & works fine...& ships w/ 2 PCI-e cables for SLI...

 

[alimoalem]

Originally posted by: SnoMunke

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Thank you snomunke for being utterly ignorant of the subject matter at hand.

:Q

Ohhhhh....so you want to throw down now do ya? Ate your Wheaties and feelin' a bit froggy now are ya? :laugh:

"Utterly ignorant of the subject matter at hand"... hmmmm...being that I am "utterly" ignorant, could you please enlighten me as to what part of my statement before has so indisputably branded me as "utterly ignorant" by your esteemed self?

I haven't had a good laugh in a long time, so I will be eagerly awaiting your response.

you never stated or mentioned which branded psu you would prefer or why it's better

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Tostada


PSUs are most efficient when they're running at about 65-85% of their capacity.

Seasonic S-12 lies between 80 and 85% efficiency from 20-100% load

http://www.80plus.org/suppliers.html

That's a pretty shoddy link you posted. Actually, it has 87% efficiency between 40%-80% load.

http://silentpcreview.com/article247-page4.html

 

[JEDIYoda]

most of the top quality companies rate there PSU`s at iether 40c or 50c for the temperature ratings! There are still afew that use the 25c temperature.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Tostada


PSUs are most efficient when they're running at about 65-85% of their capacity.

Seasonic S-12 lies between 80 and 85% efficiency from 20-100% load

http://www.80plus.org/suppliers.html

That's a pretty shoddy link you posted. Actually, it has 87% efficiency between 40%-80% load.

http://silentpcreview.com/article247-page4.html

Actually though you would appear to be correct mordantmonkey if you will look at the temps that SPCR uses for efficiency ratings......you will see that 87% is kinds scewered in the total picture......move those temps up to 50c and lets check out the efficiency rating...
http://silentpcreview.com/article247-page4.html

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Tostada


PSUs are most efficient when they're running at about 65-85% of their capacity.

Seasonic S-12 lies between 80 and 85% efficiency from 20-100% load

http://www.80plus.org/suppliers.html

That's a pretty shoddy link you posted. Actually, it has 87% efficiency between 40%-80% load.

http://silentpcreview.com/article247-page4.html

Actually though you would appear to be correct mordantmonkey if you will look at the temps that SPCR uses for efficiency ratings......you will see that 87% is kinds scewered in the total picture......move those temps up to 50c and lets check out the efficiency rating...
http://silentpcreview.com/article247-page4.html

yeah that would probably be why OCZ rates at 67% at full load. Though i imagine seasonic wouldn't be much if any worse than that at 50C.

 

[Bobthelost]

The seasonic had 83% efficency (warning, numbers maybe wrong, SPCR rejigged thier testing gear a few months back and decided they had been overgenerous with the efficency ratings at higher power across the board. Numbers were between 2-4% lower after the rethink) @ 43*C and full load, an extra 7*C wouldn't be all that much in the grand scheme of things.

Seasonic built thier reputation on low noise and high efficency, that doesn't mean that other PSUs can't be just as good, but they are still the first place to look for that.

 

[SnoMunke]

Still waiting Bobthelost...need my chuckle for the day.

OP...I just bought the Seasonic 600W(OEM vs S12)...so I guess you know which one I would choose. I would like PC P&C 850watt PSU, but $500 for a PSU...yikes....

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: SnoMunke
Still waiting Bobthelost...need my chuckle for the day.

OP...I just bought the Seasonic 600W(OEM vs S12)...so I guess you know which one I would choose. I would like PC P&C 850watt PSU, but $500 for a PSU...yikes....

You said:

" Go with the biggest PSU you can afford. There is no bigger problem than starving your 'puter of power. "

Which is true, but misleading. A high end PC uses around 250-350W of power, (SLI for the high end or just a hell of a lot of HDs). Recomending someone who's machine will require around 300W waste money on a 600W PSU is utterly stupid.

 

[Rockhound1]

I have been considering the Seasonic S-12 500 Watt PSU. I need something quieter than my Antec 400 Watt SmartPower. Anyone know of a site with the best deals on these??

 

[Ike0069]

This board is extremely pro-Seasonic, and for good reason. But that doesn't mean that it's hands-down better than the OCZ Powerstream.

Yes SPCR will always favor a quieter PSU, hence their favorite is Seasonic. But in the true high-end OC'ing communities, the OCZ Powerstream (520 or 600W depending on the system) is considered by many as "The Choice" for it's price/performance. The adjustable rails are what many really appreciate.

Each person needs to decide on what they really want in a PSU besides solid performance (as that should always be a given):
Silence, Modular, #/type of connectors (2-PCI-e, 4 SATA, etc.), style, cable length, adj. rails, etc.

Now I went with the Forton Blue Storm simply because it offers excellent price/performance, and comes with the cables pre-sleeved. Personally I wish sleeved cables was standard on more PSU's. I really like my cables sleeved, but would prefer not to do it myself simply because I find it very tedious and annoying.

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: SnoMunke
Still waiting Bobthelost...need my chuckle for the day.

OP...I just bought the Seasonic 600W(OEM vs S12)...so I guess you know which one I would choose. I would like PC P&C 850watt PSU, but $500 for a PSU...yikes....

You said:

" Go with the biggest PSU you can afford. There is no bigger problem than starving your 'puter of power. "

Which is true, but misleading. A high end PC uses around 250-350W of power, (SLI for the high end or just a hell of a lot of HDs). Recomending someone who's machine will require around 300W waste money on a 600W PSU is utterly stupid.

So let me see if I understand. First you say he is "Utterly ignorant of the subject matter at hand", then you say his statement is true. I don't understand this. Please explain further so we can all be educated.

Thanks.

 

[Bobthelost]

He makes a statement that's true, starving your computer is a bad idea.

Then he implies this means that you need to buy a 600W+ PSU. That's the ignorance for you.

Running out of petrol when driving your car is a bad idea! Buy this massive strap on external drum for your car so you'll never run out of petrol when in the town center!

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
He makes a statement that's true, starving your computer is a bad idea.

Then he implies this means that you need to buy a 600W+ PSU. That's the ignorance for you.

Running out of petrol when driving your car is a bad idea! Buy this massive strap on external drum for your car so you'll never run out of petrol when in the town center!

Actually that's an excellent analogy. I got a good chuckle out of that one. :laugh:

 

[SnoMunke]

Listen up BOB...I implied nothing... If you are going to quote me then do it correctly.... I said (and I quote myself), "Go with the biggest PSU you can afford.". HOW can you say that I am implying he should go with the Seasonic? If he can only afford the OCZ, then I am implying the OP should go with the OCZ...if he can afford something bigger, then I was advising the OP to go with something bigger... I find it quite amusing that you think you know more of what I was or was not implying than I do.

Let me spell this out for you in kindergarten language....BOB. The OP may be adding components in the future (i.e. more HDDs (RAID arrays), new video cards, more fans, more DVD/RWs, got only knows what else)....it would be wise of him/her to buy the biggest PSU he can afford now and save the trouble of having to buy a larger PSU later (spending more money) when he needs the extra watts...

Now, BOB... if I told you to go pound sand, what do YOU think I am implying?

 

[SnoMunke]

OP...I have both the OCZ Powerstream 520watt and the Seasonic 600watt...and the Seasonic is the only way to go.

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: Rockhound1
I have been considering the Seasonic S-12 500 Watt PSU. I need something quieter than my Antec 400 Watt SmartPower. Anyone know of a site with the best deals on these??

back to the topic at hand...*ahem*


Case-mod.com is the best I can find so far.

 

[hclarkjr]

ok, now i have a OCZ powerstream 520 watt power supply and am building a socket 939 system this weekend if my motherboard arrives in time. i will be putting the following into it -
X2 4400
ASUS A8V DELUXE
ZALMAN 7700 the all copper one
1 GB OCZ PC3200 that is my signature
plextor 716A DVD-RW
benq 1640 DVD-RW
plextor premium CD-RW
2 maxtor 250 GB hard drives that are in signature
radeon X800XT AIW
and this is all going into a P180 case with 4 120mm fans proivided i can fit the one on the bottom with the power supply installed which leads me to my question of is the 520 i have now good enough for this system or should i get a 600 watt? i am leaning towards the OCZ since my 520 has treated me well but in reading the posts here the seasonic looks appealing and my favorite online store has it for $139 plus shipping. so what choice would you guys make in my place? is the 520 enough for this system?

 

[pcmodem]

Yours truly has a SeaSonic S-12 600W

The thing is damn quiet!

Also, the power plugs have these special grips that make it very easy to plug in and pull out of devices, which is very convenient. No more yank-heave-HO to pull a plug out.

There are plugs for PCI-e and SATA drives, so no need to splurge on adapters.

Remember, when buying parts for a new PC, splurge on:
1. excess quality power
2. a highly upgradable motherboard
3. a good case

These three things are the foundation of your PC, everything else is relatively easy to upgrade.



Cheers,
PCM

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: hclarkjr
ok, now i have a OCZ powerstream 520 watt power supply and am building a socket 939 system this weekend if my motherboard arrives in time. i will be putting the following into it -
X2 4400
ASUS A8V DELUXE
ZALMAN 7700 the all copper one
1 GB OCZ PC3200 that is my signature
plextor 716A DVD-RW
benq 1640 DVD-RW
plextor premium CD-RW
2 maxtor 250 GB hard drives that are in signature
radeon X800XT AIW

520W = enough with plenty of spare.

 

[AndrewZorn]

get the enermax liberty 500w

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: SnoMunke
Now, BOB... if I told you to go pound sand, what do YOU think I am implying?

That you don't take critism well.

Fact is that people operate on budgets, and as such if you advocate excessive PSUs then they will be wasting money on a product that they have no need for, while they could put the savings into other components instead.

 

[Matthias99]

Let me spell this out for you in kindergarten language....BOB. The OP may be adding components in the future (i.e. more HDDs (RAID arrays), new video cards, more fans, more DVD/RWs, got only knows what else)....it would be wise of him/her to buy the biggest PSU he can afford now and save the trouble of having to buy a larger PSU later (spending more money) when he needs the extra watts...

The problem is that he will probably never even come CLOSE to maxing out a 500W PSU, let alone a 600W one. Both are way, way, way overkill for anything but the very highest-end systems you can build. If he doesn't plan on doing SLI, I don't think he could get close to 500W without a LOT of hard drives in there, as well as a VERY fast CPU.

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Let me spell this out for you in kindergarten language....BOB. The OP may be adding components in the future (i.e. more HDDs (RAID arrays), new video cards, more fans, more DVD/RWs, got only knows what else)....it would be wise of him/her to buy the biggest PSU he can afford now and save the trouble of having to buy a larger PSU later (spending more money) when he needs the extra watts...

The problem is that he will probably never even come CLOSE to maxing out a 500W PSU, let alone a 600W one. Both are way, way, way overkill for anything but the very highest-end systems you can build. If he doesn't plan on doing SLI, I don't think he could get close to 500W without a LOT of hard drives in there, as well as a VERY fast CPU.

i am thinking about the future. however just as matthias said. I will NOT be doing SLI. I will be getting a fast dual core, and 4drives. but the 500w should be fine for that upgrade path.

 

[wilsont06]

Seasonic s12-600 = if you want a quiet system and a very very good power supply that's competitive towards the PC Power and Cooling Turbo 510. Also higher efficiency means more money saved in a longer run. Buy this unit if you don't ever want to buy another power supply in about 3 years.
OCZ powerstream = if you want to save money but don't want to lose any power doing so and has high overclock capabilities by providing power to your system.

my choice is the seasonic. I bought mine for $135 shipped. I was just like you, looking for powersupplies last week but decided to lean towards this unit.