(Second + Third) Ebola Confirmed Infection Dallas

[BeeBoop]

A healthcare worker that treated the guy from Africa has it. Was this healthcare worker sucking on his fecal matter?

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/...-at-dallas-hospital-tests-positive-for-ebola/

Edit for new infection;
Third infection or Second healthcare worker confirmed infected. Not Nina Pham.


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[BarkingGhostar]

With Texans wanting to leave the union this sounds like the perfect time to close the borders and let the frying pan burn.

 

[MustISO]

Why are the healthcare workers not being quarantined after treating someone. They should be smart enough to stay away from other people until the 8-21 day period is over.

 

[Jeffg010]

http://news.yahoo.com/state-health-officials-2nd-ebola-case-texas-102955708.html

 

[Murloc]

aren't they supposed to be wearing these airtight supersuits which are then burned?

 

[mnewsham]

aren't they supposed to be wearing these airtight supersuits which are then burned?

As with the woman in Spain, if you dont know how to properly use the suit, it doesn't matter how good it is.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Ebola only killed 4000 people in Africa.

So let's say ebola kills 4000. Year in the usa. That's less than the number of alcohol deaths a year.

Should not be any cause for alarm.

College kills 1800 students a year from alcohol.

http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/special-populations-co-occurring-disorders/college-drinking

 

[Strk]

aren't they supposed to be wearing these airtight supersuits which are then burned?

No, but the PPE is taken off and put on in a certain order. The woman in Spain screwed up with her PPE. She touched her face with a gloved hand. The gloves are always the first thing to come off and you never touch your face with a gloved hand. It is a little tricky with a gown though, since the gloves still come off first, but you do take the gown off at the same time.

 

[Hugo Drax]

When I got my Red Cross firstaid/aed/cpr course they had a specific order and method your supposed to take your gloves off as standard procedure.

I wonder if they teach this in Spain, they should have at least have them do a refresher and make sure they follow the routine before handling ebola patients.

 

[mnewsham]

Ebola only killed 4000 people in Africa.

So let's say ebola kills 4000. Year in the usa. That's less than the number of alcohol deaths a year.

Should not be any cause for alarm.

College kills 1800 students a year from alcohol.

http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/special-populations-co-occurring-disorders/college-drinking

the problem is the exponential infection rate, It's 4000 dead today, in 6 months it could very well be 50k+ or more. On a small scale ebola isn't a huge deal, it's when it gets into densely populated areas where we see the problems. I agree that it will probably never be a huge problem for the US and Europe, but if it spreads to the large cities in africa, or to India or China, we could see a very large number of deaths in the next few months to years.

 

[mammador]

lulz....alcohol is not an infectious or deadly disease.....learn some epidemiology, fool...

Obama and all other leaders of countries with large blue water navies just have to blockade West Africa. May seem harsh, but then what other solution is there?

 

[LegendKiller]

When I got my Red Cross firstaid/aed/cpr course they had a specific order and method your supposed to take your gloves off as standard procedure.

I wonder if they teach this in Spain, they should have at least have them do a refresher and make sure they follow the routine before handling ebola patients.

Because the same procedure used to take gloves off for first aid is going to work for a highly infectious disease.

This is the mentality that pervades our government at this point. "It's only a few people, more people die of alcoholism". Are you a fucking moron? You can't catch alcoholism. You can't transmit it. But you can catch/transmit a virus that has a 50%+ mortality rate where you fucking bleed out of your eyes.

Furthermore, the more cases the more likelihood that it mutates into something far worse, like a completely airborn virus, then we are uber-fucked.

Quarantine those countries. Shut off all air traffic coming out of them unless people flying out have been in quarantine themselves for 3 weeks. Shut off their borders fly massive amounts of supplies in.

 

[Mai72]

the problem is the exponential infection rate, It's 4000 dead today, in 6 months it could very well be 50k+ or more. On a small scale ebola isn't a huge deal, it's when it gets into densely populated areas where we see the problems. I agree that it will probably never be a huge problem for the US and Europe, but if it spreads to the large cities in africa, or to India or China, we could see a very large number of deaths in the next few months to years.

What about densely populated cities like New York, Chicago, and Dallas?

 

[slayer202]

omg it's already doubled!

 

[Strk]

Because the same procedure used to take gloves off for first aid is going to work for a highly infectious disease.

This is the mentality that pervades our government at this point. "It's only a few people, more people die of alcoholism". Are you a fucking moron? You can't catch alcoholism. You can't transmit it. But you can catch/transmit a virus that has a 50%+ mortality rate where you fucking bleed out of your eyes.

Furthermore, the more cases the more likelihood that it mutates into something far worse, like a completely airborn virus, then we are uber-fucked.

Quarantine those countries. Shut off all air traffic coming out of them unless people flying out have been in quarantine themselves for 3 weeks. Shut off their borders fly massive amounts of supplies in.

For a medical professional, it is the same. And not all viruses are super-prone to mutation, although it is possible because of how viruses replicate. There already is an airborne strain of Ebola, but as of now it can only infect monkeys. Mind you, that is still pretty dangerous since we share so much of our DNA with them, it doesn't take much. HIV being the obvious example of that one.

 

[Red Squirrel]

It comes to show how easily this spreads, when healthcare workers (people who know quite a lot about infection control) are being infected. Hopefully they can get this under control in Liberia and the other places that have it or it's going to eventually spread in full force here too.

 

[Hugo Drax]

But Africa which is the worst hit only has 4000 dead and they have nothing close to our medical facilities in the USA. And those countries are highly populated with poor hygiene.

4-12k deaths a year of ebola in the USA is no big deal. More people die from the flu I the us. And people choose not to get vaccinated against it.

 

[LegendKiller]

For a medical professional, it is the same. And not all viruses are super-prone to mutation, although it is possible because of how viruses replicate. There already is an airborne strain of Ebola, but as of now it can only infect monkeys. Mind you, that is still pretty dangerous since we share so much of our DNA with them, it doesn't take much. HIV being the obvious example of that one.

It is? So you are saying that an infectious disease doctor considers this *exactly* the same as alcohol related deaths and doesn't recommend any different treatment protocols than we are undergoing now? Merely because the differential in current deaths is lopsided towards alcoholism?

In that case, they better be right. In finance there's two terms, probability of default and loss given default (or severity). Currently the probability of default are low but they can increase through various factors, especially as correlation approaches 1. This is the key, alcohol deaths have a very low correlation to the general population, but this *can* have a very high correlation and severity is far higher than alcohol.

You fuck up on your correlations and you suddenly get a mortgage crisis. However, instead of people losing their house it'll be people losing their lives.

 

[LegendKiller]

But Africa which is the worst hit only has 4000 dead and they have nothing close to our medical facilities in the USA. And those countries are highly populated with poor hygiene.

4-12k deaths a year of ebola in the USA is no big deal. More people die from the flu I the us. And people choose not to get vaccinated against it.

So if we can prevent those 4-12k in deaths we shouldn't? This is why your viewpoint is stupid. You find it acceptable to do nothing but just allow 4-12k in deaths to happen and there isn't a single good reason why.

 

[Jay5]

but then what other solution is there?

im sure the only solution we are going to see is obama and his supporters blame bush on it like everything else.this country has gone down the toilet







You've been told numerous times to keep the political trolling out of OT.


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[Imp]

That really sucks for the healthcare worker.

Heat it's possible cross-contamination from removing protective clothing.

 

[Strk]

It is? So you are saying that an infectious disease doctor considers this *exactly* the same as alcohol related deaths and doesn't recommend any different treatment protocols than we are undergoing now? Merely because the differential in current deaths is lopsided towards alcoholism?

In that case, they better be right. In finance there's two terms, probability of default and loss given default (or severity). Currently the probability of default are low but they can increase through various factors, especially as correlation approaches 1. This is the key, alcohol deaths have a very low correlation to the general population, but this *can* have a very high correlation and severity is far higher than alcohol.

You fuck up on your correlations and you suddenly get a mortgage crisis. However, instead of people losing their house it'll be people losing their lives.

I meant the glove part. I probably should have highlighted that. But the infectious disease vs alcohol? Yeah, that would be kind of fucked up.

 

[Ruptga]

OMGF WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE



eventually, and probably at least a few years from now.

 

[Artorias]

So if people have survived and built an immunity to this virus, why can they take that patient and create a vaccine for it?

Maybe I watch to many zombie movies. :hmm:

 

[slayer202]

So if we can prevent those 4-12k in deaths we shouldn't? This is why your viewpoint is stupid. You find it acceptable to do nothing but just allow 4-12k in deaths to happen and there isn't a single good reason why.

it's not going to be 4k+ deaths, which is why your idea to close the borders is stupid. not to mention it would limit the amount of support we can give to those countries. those countries with millions of people and a small % of people with the disease. better off helping them stop it there and screen properly on the way back