its called a fact.
Did you go outside the lines coloring Baby Bop? Its ok. I'll send you a new sheet.
You obviously don't understand that soundbite does nothing to address the issue of what to do with them.
Oh dear.
Now pay attention rugeguy because this is how you learn. Eskimo pointed out that it doesn't make sense to enforce laws that are widely considered broken. Since you couldn't argue that point, you changed it into something that is more easily attacked. Instead of ignoring laws everyone agrees are bad you changed it to any law you don't agree with. Changing his argument into something stupid and easily knocked down is called building a straw man.
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Bingo.
If a Border Patrol agent comes across a mom who is here illegally and has 4 kids that are citizens, he should be empowered to decide what to do. As should the prosecutor and the judge and the governor. But what you are proposing takes all that way and lets one man, the president, get to decide for everyone. That just isn't how American works.
And I did a quick look up of that law. It looks like the only people ever recently convicted of it took it as a plea for a more serious crime. See how that works? The prosecutor and the judge got to decide, not the president.
So your straw man was intentional? The great thing about straw men is that they never help. They distract from the actual points being discussed.
Eskimo knew what I was getting at. I used my straw man to help him see my point, not defeat his. There is a difference.
So your straw man was intentional? The great thing about straw men is that they never help. They distract from the actual points being discussed.
in this case it helped
Help me out....It is for federal law, and in the end it IS one man that gets to decide, the district attorney.
That's because it's a state law, not a federal one. In the end it's the district attorney's decision because he is the highest law enforcement officer within that jurisdiction. (although I guess the state could choose to prosecute)
In the case of federal issues like in state and local ones in the end it does come down to one man's decision, and for federal issues that's the president.
Bingo.
If a Border Patrol agent comes across a mom who is here illegally and has 4 kids that are citizens, he should be empowered to decide what to do. As should the prosecutor and the judge and the governor. But what you are proposing takes all that way and lets one man, the president, get to decide for everyone. That just isn't how American works.
And I did a quick look up of that law. It looks like the only people ever recently convicted of it took it as a plea for a more serious crime. See how that works? The prosecutor and the judge got to decide, not the president.
Yes, it helped muck up the conversation even more. See my edit.
its called a fact.
Did you go outside the lines coloring Baby Bop? Its ok. I'll send you a new sheet.
And your sound bite does nothing to address the situation with illegals already here.
They are illegal because they broke the law. Ok, now what?
Well Jimmy. Usually when a bad person breaks the law, he is prosecuted and has to be punished. Remember when you colored on the walls and you had to go to bed with no TV? Its the same thing.
Yes dank stands for Dan K. I brought up the war on drugs, mmkay? I was pointing out the similarity between your stance on immigration and the war on drugs, since they are similarly bad laws. You punching people in the face is not relevant. Not even a tiny bit.No it helped find matters that relate. He brought in the war on drugs, I brought in that I want to punch people in the face. Even though we were discussing immigration, it was all relative.
Speaking of punching people in the face, I need to update my list. Is the "d" in Dank capitalized?
Help me out....
How does the DA get to decide if the president orders all illegals not be prosecuted?
We are running into a state vs state YMMV thing here. Things don't quite work that way around here. The police decide if they are going to arrest someone and charge them. The prosectuor decides if he should continue the charges. The judge (or jury) decides the person's guilt and their sentence. The governor has the power to grant pardons, change sentences, etc.
My point is that one person making that decision for a whole slew of people isn't the way our legal system works. Our system allows for discretion. It doesn't allow for blanket immunity for millions of people because...because someone said so? Case by case is one thing and it needs to be in place. Cases by the millions are what legislation is there for.
Yes dank stands for Dan K. I brought up the war on drugs, mmkay? I was pointing out the similarity between your stance on immigration and the war on drugs, since they are similarly bad laws. You punching people in the face is not relevant. Not even a tiny bit.
Gotcha.Whoops, I wrote that wrong. In practice the district attorneys decide but the call in the end is the president's as the DAs work for him.
The police do the arrests, but the DA does the charging.
It's true that at any step in the process someone could decide not to do their part, which would likely end up with the person going free. The police could not arrest the guy to begin with, the DA could decide not to charge them, the judge/jury could decide not to convict, etc.
The thing is that police are a civil service appointment. If they don't do the arresting the commissioner wants they can get fired. The DA (in most cases) is an elected position, just like the president. If people don't like the job they are doing they can lose re-election, but other than that they have pretty wide discretion as to how they do their job.
I agree that legislation is the right way to do this, but that's not how things are going at the moment, unfortunately. Although the 5th circuit ruled against him, I find it likely that in the end Obama will win on using prosecutorial discretion here.
Well Jimmy. Usually when a bad person breaks the law, he is prosecuted and has to be punished. Remember when you colored on the walls and you had to go to bed with no TV? Its the same thing.
Read up on the Hastert Rule, especially who uses it and who opposes it.Gotcha.
See that last part is what separated everyone. I don't believe the president has the right to bypass legislation because he doesn't like how its going. Its too close to tyranny for me to accept. It takes away all checks and balances.
I think what this issue highlights is just how broken congress is. The American people think this needs to get fixed, the rest of the world thinks this needs to get fixed. Sure we disagree about how to do it, but we agree it needs to happen. In the meantime Congress does nothing. Yes the Senate passed a bill but nothing came of it. How can that be allowed to happen? Isn't their job to vote on the damn bills?
A simple question: Should there be limits on legal immigration?What is it about that answer you didn't understand? Clearly if our law that is suppose to process people for citizenship instead drives them by the millions to disregard the law all together. It means the law is completely broken.
Read up on the Hastert Rule, especially who uses it and who opposes it.
dumb rule is dumb
How else is the GOP supposed to block all those progressive policies you are so afraid of?
Yes, I really think that.
No, I'm arguing that it's absurd to argue that we need to legalize illegal immigration because we have so many people illegally immigrating. I realize that is a subtle distinction - um, wait, it's really not a subtle distinction at all. As far as your other "argument", the general public is not at all fine with employing illegals. Only a subset of employers (and, granted, virtually all politicians at a national level) are fine with employing illegals.Are you arguing that burglary laws don't work because we still have burglaries? I don't know what to say other than that's self-evidently absurd.
The reason immigration laws aren't working isn't because we still have illegal immigration, it's because they marginalize and criminalize labor factors that the general public is totally fine with employing.
Are you actually under the delusion that illegal immigrants travel by ballooning?Let me know when the 'Great American Dome' is finished and covering the United States.